Recommendation for e-nail box mod

[VirginVape10X]

Greetings fellow dabbing specialists,

I am beseeching your help in the next phase of my cannabis adventures. As I’m exploring concentrates, I’m also researching the vast array of devices that facilitate their consumption. After weeks of reading reviews and watching usage videos, I think I’ve narrowed down the type of device I’m looking for, specifically a mod-based e-nail for the following reasons:

1. want to go flameless. I really can’t gauge temps with a flame and have even invested in an IH for my Dynavap. For this reason, I’m leaning towards a box mod for temp control since I’ll be cold dabbing for optimum flavor (I’m not a cloud chaser). Want to stress temp control here as I’m not a fan of units that are limited to 3-4 temp ranges.

2. quality quartz bangers and carb caps are expensive, not to mention the multitude of styles. I realize I can get cheaper non-branded alternatives/knock-offs, but I prefer quality (obviously a personal preference so please don’t knock). As such, I think an e-nail with a quality quartz or ceramic bucket will suffice.

3. water rig compatible. I want to be able to use with my water pipes for smoother hits and so that I can see the vapor build up as I inhale.

Now, here’s the crux of the matter: I’m seeking a device that separates the air flow from the heating element/wires. Also, I don’t want any reclaim falling back into the atomizer and gunking it up. I was considering the GPen Connect, but unfortunately it didn’t meet this criteria. I don’t mind reclaim, but I’m not a fan of potentially inhaling burnt residue or not being able to thoroughly clean it.

Any help would be much appreciated. tyia.

 

[510MOD]

Sounds like you need a Divine Tribe v4 crucible with a bottomless banger. Check out my IG if you can @510MOD and you will find some more information. I am out of stock currently of the bottomless bangers but Divine Tribes has a similar option now as well.

 

[arb]

Sai or sequoia with titanium buckets on temp control.
Very good performance and extremely durable,we love ours both wet or dry.

 

[510MOD]

Sai or sequoia with titanium buckets on temp control.
Very good performance and extremely durable,we love ours both wet or dry.

The bottomless bangers for the Divine Tribe will also fit the SAI as well. Working on bringing them for the Sequoia...got a couple testers with them already.

2 other options are the AVS M22 or the TRVP.

These will perform like an enail and allow you to hook them up to any rig. Adapters may be required for some rigs.

 

[shredder]

Greetings fellow dabbing specialists,

I am beseeching your help in the next phase of my cannabis adventures. As I’m exploring concentrates, I’m also researching the vast array of devices that facilitate their consumption. After weeks of reading reviews and watching usage videos, I think I’ve narrowed down the type of device I’m looking for, specifically a mod-based e-nail for the following reasons:

1. want to go flameless. I really can’t gauge temps with a flame and have even invested in an IH for my Dynavap. For this reason, I’m leaning towards a box mod for temp control since I’ll be cold dabbing for optimum flavor (I’m not a cloud chaser). Want to stress temp control here as I’m not a fan of units that are limited to 3-4 temp ranges.

2. quality quartz bangers and carb caps are expensive, not to mention the multitude of styles. I realize I can get cheaper non-branded alternatives/knock-offs, but I prefer quality (obviously a personal preference so please don’t knock). As such, I think an e-nail with a quality quartz or ceramic bucket will suffice.

3. water rig compatible. I want to be able to use with my water pipes for smoother hits and so that I can see the vapor build up as I inhale.

Now, here’s the crux of the matter: I’m seeking a device that separates the air flow from the heating element/wires. Also, I don’t want any reclaim falling back into the atomizer and gunking it up. I was considering the GPen Connect, but unfortunately it didn’t meet this criteria. I don’t mind reclaim, but I’m not a fan of potentially inhaling burnt residue or not being able to thoroughly clean it.

Any help would be much appreciated. tyia.

Forget the portables if you want quality. An enail with a decent dish is the top end of concentrate consumption. You get an easily cleanable dish, precise temperature controls, no atomizers to fuck with, no batteries, and so on. Later on Id look at portables, new ones are coming almost weekly so there's plenty to choose from. I have a drawer full ,lol. Lately for a portable im vaping rosin from a airsitech quasar, a $9 pen @LesPlenty mentioned before.

 

[arb]

The bottomless bangers for the Divine Tribe will also fit the SAI as well. Working on bringing them for the Sequoia...got a couple testers with them already.

2 other options are the AVS M22 or the TRVP.

These will perform like an enail and allow you to hook them up to any rig. Adapters may be required for some rigs.

My frankenadapter for the Sequoia.
I tried rigid but found the flex of the tubing made life easier.

 

[510MOD]

Forget the portables if you want quality. An enail with a decent dish is the top end of concentrate consumption. You get an easily cleanable dish, precise temperature controls, no atomizers to fuck with, no batteries, and so on. Later on Id look at portables, new ones are coming almost weekly so there's plenty to choose from. I have a drawer full ,lol. Lately for a portable im vaping rosin from a airsitech quasar, a $9 pen @LesPlenty mentioned before.

I would have agreed with you 2 years ago. Maybe even a little over a year ago. But with options like the Dr. Dabber Switch, Puffco Peak (and similar devices) and then the ones mentioned above as well as the Rio (butane but its a perfect portable option that will give you everything an enail will) you don't have to stick with a plug in enail setup for that enail experience. I feel like I can't function without a few dabs every few hours. I can confirm these options can and will produce similar results to a real plug-in enail. Some may have downfalls or can even be finniky but the Rio, DTv4, SAI and Sequioa are all stand up devices that need little to no maintenance and require very little upkeep and do not require parts to be replaced regularly. They can be temperature controlled and preheated for a full on almost instant dab.

 

[510MOD]

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My frankenadapter for the Sequoia.
I tried rigid but found the flex of the tubing made life easier.

This is what led me to come up with the bottomless bangers. I had too many setups that were similar and wanted to simplify things and also wanted that bubble cap option as the bubble cap really increases the experience of dabbing IME. It makes it much more interactive with great feedback provided in the density of your vapor.

 

[arb]

This is what led me to come up with the bottomless bangers. I had too many setups that were similar and wanted to simplify things and also wanted that bubble cap option as the bubble cap really increases the experience of dabbing IME. It makes it much more interactive with great feedback provided in the density of your vapor.

Where does one purchase such a item?

 

[510MOD]

Where does one purchase such a item?

I will have more in stock and a website soon (like 8/6), but if one doesn't mind a shorter version there are some that Matt sales that he gets from his own manufacturer.

v4 Bottomless Banger and Bubble Carb Cap - Divine Tribe

Bottomless Banger for the Divine Tribe v4 Crucible heater

ineedhemp.com

 

[scy123]

I have a Saionara with titanium bucket and it's pretty good, meets all your criteria's. One minor problem with the Saionara is the atomizer is pretty much almost touching the outer tank and leeches off heat.

I see the Divine Tribe v4 has a more isolated bucket to solve this problem. It's getting pretty good feedback too. I see it has a SiC bucket now. I have a SiC bucket on order for another unit and what really draws me towards it is people mention it doesn't "chazz" so cleaning would be a lot easier.

 

[florduh]

I'll say, I'm having a great time with the AVS M22. It's a crucible vape like the Divine Tribe v4, Saionara TAF, Puffco Peak. But unlike those options, the entire crucible is heated. Not just the bottom. I don't think any actual e-nail coil only heats the bottom of a banger. Having the whole thing heated on the m22 leads to more efficient vaporization. Unlike other wax pens, I don't need to keep the thing perfectly level. If I tip it a bit... no worries. There's no place for the oil to go, as the whole crucible is heated to the same temp.

The SiC crucible itself is the coil. Even proper e-nail bangers are indirectly heated by an external coil. It's nice because the heat up time is about the same as using twisted steel coils. As in producing vapor within 2-3 seconds. The Divine Tribe and Sai crucibles both have a heat up time as high as 10 seconds. The Peak is 20-30 seconds. Another benefit of energized SiC is that Temp control will be far more accurate than any of those options too.

There are some "finicky" parts to the m22, but that is the case for all wax pens. Even the Peak, because in my opinion... you need to rebuild their atomizers for the thing to make sense financially. No part of M22 ownership is as difficult as that process (not that it's even that bad).

The TAF Sai is probably simpler to use. But the performance level between the Sai buckets and the M22 is pretty astounding.

A good desktop e-nail is still going to be simpler. But my dabbing schedule is so erratic, it would mean leaving an exposed heating element on most of the day, ro deal with a several minute heat up time. With the M22, I can load, take a very satisfying temp controlled hit, swab it out, and put the whole thing away in 10-15 seconds.

 

[scy123]

The SiC crucible itself is the coil.

Holy shit, was a bit skeptical, so looked it up and it seems like it is passing voltage through the crucible to heat it. Now I have to get one.

 

[florduh]

Holy shit, was a bit skeptical, so looked it up and it seems like it is passing voltage through the crucible to heat it.

Yep. I'm kind of shocked no e-nail maker made this work years ago, given the popularity of SiC as a dabbing substrate. Just use the SiC itself as an energized "coil".

Now I have to get one.

While I'm having a good experience, I'll give you the downsides too. The SiC connects into the atomizer base with little gold plated spring clips. Some people find them annoying to install, and they kind of are. AVS is developing some sort of tool to make installation easier. Personally, I had no issues. And would much rather deal with the springs than screwdrivers and metal coils. It's also much easier than rebuilding Peak atty's.

The other downside is the price. It's much more expensive than the DT v4 or Sai. But cheaper than the Peak. I think it's worth pretty much what they're charging, given there's nothing exactly like it on the market. You're also looking at needing to spend about $2 per month on the spring clips. They're a consumable.

 

[scy123]

Oh, thanks for mentioning that. Hard to install I have no problems with, but having to replace the spring clips every now and than would suck.

Still worth it to test out, maybe even jerry rig something with just the crucible.

 

[florduh]

Oh, thanks for mentioning that. Hard to install I have no problems with, but having to replace the spring clips every now and than would suck.

Still worth it to test out, maybe even jerry rig something with just the crucible.

Right. My guess is at some point in the future, they will come out with a product that uses some method other than clips to get power to the thing. It was likely the only way to make it work in the 510 mod tech space. The problem is the SiC needs to "move" a little as resistance through the crucible increases. If it's tightly clamped in, the dish will break.

It's early days, so I can't speak to longevity. But right now it's the only dabbing device that meets my specific needs and wants. I look at the $20 or so per year as a fee for getting to use future tech today. Torch dabbers spend more on butane per year.

As long as some unforeseen problem doesn't arise, I'll also save on the VAS budget a bit. It's the first wax device where I'm not saying "the performance is great, but could be a little better in x way...". The whole clip thing could be better. Maybe a bigger dish (or a smaller/ultraportable option). But I really don't know how to improve the performance.

 

[VirginVape10X]

Firstly, I want to thank everyone for contributing to this discussion and my education. Instead of quoting everybody, I’ll continue my exploration herein.

I read through all of the posts and think I’ve narrowed down my options to either the AVS M22 or the DTV4. It seems that the SiC crucible is the way to go, yet I still have some hesitation as I’ve read that Divine Tribe’s SiC crucible leeches color due to inconsistent QC at the factory, which I’m sure is getting resolved. Has there been a similar concern with the AVS ESCC? For obvious health reasons, I want to avoid material that can scratch off, discolor, disintegrate, melt, etc.

Also, it appears that the size of AVS crucible minimizes vapor/reclaim from getting into the atomizer chamber. However, on the DTV4, I’m concerned that vapor, which contains moisture, can easily get into the atomizer below the crucible due to a gap. I’m assuming that any prolonged moisture buildup on the contacts will lead to more frequent coil/atomizer replacement, unless I’m mistaken.

Edit: I came across Scope & Stack’s product line and like the functionality, especially the large temp range. Any thoughts?

 

[scy123]

I did read a lot of people questioning Chinese SiC, a lot of Chinese stuff can be questionable, I kinda wouldn't trust it either.

I know Fadespace claims their SiC is made in the USA using "USP Class VI Certified Medical Grade Material"

 

[florduh]

Has there been a similar concern with the AVS ESCC? For obvious health reasons, I want to avoid material that can scratch off, discolor, disintegrate, melt, etc.

The AVS SiC is smooth as glass, and at least looks much higher quality than the DT dish. I don't think you could scratch it if you tried. Pretty sure it's made in China though. I do know from reddit that they are in the process of getting it certified with the FDA as a medical device, sort of like the Volcano. They also tried to get it made in the US, but couldn't find a factory that could make the energized SiC.

 

[scy123]

Real SiC has a hardness of 9+ mohs, not many things would be able to scratch it.

 

[VirginVape10X]

I’ve read that non-fibrous SiC or carborundum is relatively non-toxic, but fibrous SiC is toxic and can cause lung fibrosis, lung cancer, and possibly mesothelioma. How do I ensure that the crucible is made of the non-fibrous material? Couldn’t I just get uncut gem-quality moissanite (which I know is non-fibrous)? I am very familiar with moissy as I researched it extensively as an option for my e-ring.

In terms of Fadespace, their single crystal SiC resembles moissanite that was cut into a bucket instead of a gem.

 

[invertedisdead]

How do I ensure that the crucible is made of the non-fibrous material?

By not buying it

If you truly want safety, an american made quartz banger is the defacto concentrate apparatus for over ten years.