Space Case
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including the effects?
QWISO problem/Issue/Advice please
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clouded vision
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no wash times won't affect the effects of your hash but over time and as THC is exposed to air and light it will oxidize and as it does it will degrade to CBN so any type of reclaim, whether it's stem oil/wand hash or just from jars and grinders, is going to be more sedative. Like @oneinfinitecreator said, quality in quality out.
Space Case
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that makes sense. I will have to give it another try with just the grinder and its more recent resin.
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oneinfinitecreator
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No you can go as low and slow as you want, especially if it's honey oil rather than something from fresh buds. The after vape honey oil has already seen high temps (relatively) so you don't have to be near as careful when it comes to evaporation temps and all that.
As far as losing potency due to a long evap period, i've never heard or seen anything that makes me think that would be true. Once the oil is dissolved into the solvent, I think whats done is done and the only way you can really ruin it is to start to vape it by purging at too high a temperature. So from my fairly uneducated mind (when it comes to solvents), I would say that it shouldn't matter too much, but letting it evap on a plate/pyrex rather than a tall jar would make a lot more sense for other reasons (scraping, etc.)
I will often do my evap without heat tho, just due to me wanting a lighter color and not being in any rush. I still purge after the evap no matter what to ensure any trapped ISO is gone, but for the evap portion I wouldn't worry too much... I'd still purge tho, just to be safe.
As far as losing potency due to a long evap period, i've never heard or seen anything that makes me think that would be true. Once the oil is dissolved into the solvent, I think whats done is done and the only way you can really ruin it is to start to vape it by purging at too high a temperature. So from my fairly uneducated mind (when it comes to solvents), I would say that it shouldn't matter too much, but letting it evap on a plate/pyrex rather than a tall jar would make a lot more sense for other reasons (scraping, etc.)
I will often do my evap without heat tho, just due to me wanting a lighter color and not being in any rush. I still purge after the evap no matter what to ensure any trapped ISO is gone, but for the evap portion I wouldn't worry too much... I'd still purge tho, just to be safe.
vape4health
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My first real qwiso come out slightly green. Everything was in a freeze set @0 F and I soaked for 2:30 but it filtered through a brown filter so freaking slow. The large stuff was filtered with a stainless strainer first then an unbleach coffee filter. Should I not grind just kinda break the buds up to help with filtering, I used 91% could that have been the wax blocking the filter like a half ass winterizing. I did a second super long soak of like 30 minutes just to see and it yield .5 of black nasty shit, so I just shorten the soak and give it a go?
oneinfinitecreator
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If you are using fresh material, go for short wash times. If you really care about the color, you have to keep your wash times very short, like 10 secs. However, if you want a decent pull from your flowers, that also means you need to do 3-4 washes at least... It's more work, but you get higher quality stuff.
I typically do 2-3 10 second washes initially, then I let it dry, grind the leftovers down to really fine material and then i'll do a super soak (1min wash time min.) to get the 'rest' for my ecig vape. I usually capture more than 20% yield this way, but the oil is in 2 different ranges of quality. Both work when it comes to medication tho
But yea, as far as color goes, wash times are crucial. I've found even 20 sec washes will still have it come out pretty dark...
I typically do 2-3 10 second washes initially, then I let it dry, grind the leftovers down to really fine material and then i'll do a super soak (1min wash time min.) to get the 'rest' for my ecig vape. I usually capture more than 20% yield this way, but the oil is in 2 different ranges of quality. Both work when it comes to medication tho
But yea, as far as color goes, wash times are crucial. I've found even 20 sec washes will still have it come out pretty dark...
Quetzalcoatl
DEADY GUERRERO/DIRT COBAIN/GEORGE KUSH
2:30 is a long soak for ISO, even with 99%. At that temperature it wasn't as aggressive but at room temperatures it would come out a little more than "slightly green." Generally I like to keep my washes to 10-15 seconds, with a longer second soak. 91% has more water which will pull me chlorophyll (what makes it green.) I've found 99% at Vons/Safeway in California, FWIW.
Buildozer
Baked & Fried
No Shit?! Nice, thanks for the info
I have never seen that in a store in Southern CA.. But I don't ever go to Vons either.. Now that I think about it, I don't even know where one is around here anymore.. LOL
vape4health
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Well shit then, I fuckered it all..
Can I just rinse stuff in a strainer straight from the iso bottle, like a no soak. Then a second conventional submerged wash of like 45sec. Its for a sr71 and dabber heaters so I guess I'm just trying to get quality color to see if I can.
Can I just rinse stuff in a strainer straight from the iso bottle, like a no soak. Then a second conventional submerged wash of like 45sec. Its for a sr71 and dabber heaters so I guess I'm just trying to get quality color to see if I can.
oneinfinitecreator
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a simple rinse/strain would not be long enough. 10-15 seconds is the sweet spot. the ISO will come out nearly clear, and your first run isn't usually that great, but the 2nd will be heavy and then you can still do your soak with the leftovers after doing a proper 1st/2nd wash.
Don't feel like you messed up in any way... you are gaining experience! Believe me, I think we've all done the same things at some point. Just gotta keep trying to make it better and keep working on your tek.
As an example, here's a pic of some first run oil I made just last week (10 sec wash time):
Don't feel like you messed up in any way... you are gaining experience! Believe me, I think we've all done the same things at some point. Just gotta keep trying to make it better and keep working on your tek.
As an example, here's a pic of some first run oil I made just last week (10 sec wash time):
vape4health
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Yep, that what I wanted to make, tonight I'll shoot for a short soak.
One other thing, my abv EC comes out rock hard, explosive shatter but the fresh stuff stays ??? semi hard but very tacky really makes it hard to handle, is that normal.
I'm very thankful for the help.
Well I did a quick wash, quick evap and quick purge. Q3? From 20g of good stuff that needs cured more and 3 hours I have 1.5g of easy to handle slightly dark oil from the first 45 sec wash. Then I have the second 1min wash in a jar to be evaporated later, and a third that looks like Hulk piss in a jar. Guess I just didn't dry it enough before folding on the first batch cause this one is exactly what I wanted, holds shape but can be shaped without shit blowing everywhere. Haven't tried any yet but I'm sure its not bad to ok.
One other thing, my abv EC comes out rock hard, explosive shatter but the fresh stuff stays ??? semi hard but very tacky really makes it hard to handle, is that normal.
I'm very thankful for the help.
Well I did a quick wash, quick evap and quick purge. Q3? From 20g of good stuff that needs cured more and 3 hours I have 1.5g of easy to handle slightly dark oil from the first 45 sec wash. Then I have the second 1min wash in a jar to be evaporated later, and a third that looks like Hulk piss in a jar. Guess I just didn't dry it enough before folding on the first batch cause this one is exactly what I wanted, holds shape but can be shaped without shit blowing everywhere. Haven't tried any yet but I'm sure its not bad to ok.
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oneinfinitecreator
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it's probably dark due to the fast purge. I find anything over 110F will start to darken the oil, as will any heat increase during the wash... frankly, it doesn't matter imo, QWISO is just a darker oil. Taste and effects are more what I care for 
Let us know how it dabs!
I usually grind my dried buds for the final soak; it makes the oil extra dark but it really ups the yield as you get way more surface area and bust open anything that didn't find it's way into the ISO on the earlier washes. That's if you want the highest yield possible... also it's a slightly less intense dab, which can be nice if you don't want to blast off...
Let us know how it dabs! I usually grind my dried buds for the final soak; it makes the oil extra dark but it really ups the yield as you get way more surface area and bust open anything that didn't find it's way into the ISO on the earlier washes. That's if you want the highest yield possible... also it's a slightly less intense dab, which can be nice if you don't want to blast off...
PPN
Volute of Vapor
Yesterday I tried to do ethanol extraction from buds and trim, it's not the first time but before that I soaked my buds in alcohol between 1 or 2 mn but I needed more time to separate my buds and alcohol so I got a good yield of yhe worst oil I never try, this method produce a very dark and thick oil with a really bad taste and not really potent.
Yesterday I tried to just put the alcohol through the bud 7 or 8 times (I don't remenber exactly) whitout soak, alcohol comes outside yellow (very little of green) and clear, it evaporate during the night and i finish to purge it 2 hours at 100°F ....
Oil comes out like hard shatter, brown and not really clear, potent but taste is not better at all and yield is 50% of the soaking method...
Yield is better than bho extraction but if there is more taste this one is not good, perhaps I'll try another time (with shorter alcohol exposition) but ethanol extraction don't convince me at all.
The problem comes from the chloropylle, that's why I'm thinking that an ethanol extraction from pollen or bubble hash might to be really tasty and potent but from the whole bud butane is a better choice.
Yesterday I tried to just put the alcohol through the bud 7 or 8 times (I don't remenber exactly) whitout soak, alcohol comes outside yellow (very little of green) and clear, it evaporate during the night and i finish to purge it 2 hours at 100°F ....
Oil comes out like hard shatter, brown and not really clear, potent but taste is not better at all and yield is 50% of the soaking method...
Yield is better than bho extraction but if there is more taste this one is not good, perhaps I'll try another time (with shorter alcohol exposition) but ethanol extraction don't convince me at all.
The problem comes from the chloropylle, that's why I'm thinking that an ethanol extraction from pollen or bubble hash might to be really tasty and potent but from the whole bud butane is a better choice.
keifmaker
Pax Ploom - Zmax mini- Thermo W
the color also might have to d
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o with you using ABVSo my first go at making some QWISO just to try and get a method down really. I have a
Solo travel tube filled with ISO oil (70%) that I use to soak my Solo stems/GonG's in. I have had the same bit of ISO for months now and finally got round to getting some unbleached coffee filters, pyrex dish, razer blades etc..
So after pouring the iso through the coffee filter to keep all the bits of plant crap out the iso in the pyrex dish is turning a funny chocolate colour? Picture shows better but its my guess the ISO has stripped some of the coffee filter stuff off? It looks the same colour if that makes sense. Is this possible? Have I fucked up somewhere? Should I have used 2 filters or something? Has the 20% water content fucked it all and should I just ditch or is there anything salvagable? This dish is sitting on the balcony outside, is that cool for it to evaporate off? I have a half full mason jar of ABV and a 2 liter bottle of 99.9% ISO that I want to make oil with eventually but wanted to test this small batch first.....any help/advice appreciated thank you.
freeze your bud/trim next time and try using less ethanol for less time, when i do qwiso i do it for about 30 seconds then strain
except when going over 30-45 seconds you begin to liquify the chlorophyl and then you get that dark green almost black looking oil and ive noticed a difference in my washes
what steps did you use besides the 10 second wash time, im usually straining and draining by 25-30 seconds and it doesnt nearly look this gooda simple rinse/strain would not be long enough. 10-15 seconds is the sweet spot. the ISO will come out nearly clear, and your first run isn't usually that great, but the 2nd will be heavy and then you can still do your soak with the leftovers after doing a proper 1st/2nd wash.
Don't feel like you messed up in any way... you are gaining experience! Believe me, I think we've all done the same things at some point. Just gotta keep trying to make it better and keep working on your tek.
As an example, here's a pic of some first run oil I made just last week (10 sec wash time):
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Quetzalcoatl
DEADY GUERRERO/DIRT COBAIN/GEORGE KUSH
I assume just a 10 second wash and strain then purge. I've made small amounts of it yesterday and today with some 99% ISO and it comes out powdery white but melts right down. 10 second washes, everything in the freezer overnight.
oneinfinitecreator
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yea, the length of wash really plays a huge part. i've tried to work around it because I love getting big yields, but you have to wash fast if you want things to look top notch. It's annoying because it means 4-5 washes if you want full yield (20%+), so what I usually do is 3 washes at 10 sec, then I dry out my nugs, regrind, refreeze, and do a serious 4th run with a 30sec+ wash, which gives me dark black oil that works fine in my ecig set up
so as far as quality goes in that picture I posted, it was definitely due to the 10 second wash time. The iso should only look a little off clear, maybe a touch yellow, but that's the key. ISO is too aggressive and starts to leech the plant matter in no time at all. The colder your supplies and environment, the bigger your window to work in. If things were nice and warm, you'd probably have to do 5 second washes....
so as far as quality goes in that picture I posted, it was definitely due to the 10 second wash time. The iso should only look a little off clear, maybe a touch yellow, but that's the key. ISO is too aggressive and starts to leech the plant matter in no time at all. The colder your supplies and environment, the bigger your window to work in. If things were nice and warm, you'd probably have to do 5 second washes....
cawshook
Solod out.
Can anyone talk me through making a "daytime oil" (euphoric, antidepressent, ect.) and "nightime oil" (high cbd, cbn, ect.)?
Last time i made a 20 sec wash of some nice shake, i cant remember what the weed was but it was a nice sativa. I let evaporate in a dark place for 3 days and had some amazing shatter. So i think ive figured ourf the daytime oil, but i still want some tips.
Im looking to extract more cbd and cbn for the nightime oil so how do i do that?
Last time i made a 20 sec wash of some nice shake, i cant remember what the weed was but it was a nice sativa. I let evaporate in a dark place for 3 days and had some amazing shatter. So i think ive figured ourf the daytime oil, but i still want some tips.
Im looking to extract more cbd and cbn for the nightime oil so how do i do that?