questions on vapor genie, eterra, grinding and medical info.

[sundaize]

ok here goes. Outside my family dragging me onto facebook ugh...This is my first forum post anywhere ever in the history of my life so be gentle with me. Havent had any desire or interest to post until now. Sooo, pop my cherry..lol.. After scouring vaporizer web sights here and elsewhere and watching I think just about every video on every vaporizer, I have just a few questions I could not seem to find answers to. If I am re-asking questions please forgive me because I really tried not to bother you to re-hash.. the same ol questions. I am an old stoner .... just had orbital eye surgery...graves disease. Doctor told me I was done smoking, permanently I really enjoy smoking of just about every kind whether it is a fine cigar to a hookah with friends to my all time favorite a loaded up bong filled with hydro and ice. Having said that...I must say that after spending much time reading your very interesting post and advice , I told my wife that I was disappointed in myself for coming so late to the vape game...You guys seem to really have much vape knowledge and I very much appreciate the way in which you choose to communicate. very cool....So I'm all in....Have only smoked out of a vape a couple of times.... I enjoyed it thoroughly but I just did not truly understand what I was missing ....except the pollution of my body.....I'm sold...Going all out vape. I did take a stroll through a few head shops as well to get the feel and touch and just to see what they had and what kind of info they knew....They knew squat...They knew about the volcano and had a few knock off pieces of junk. Gotta get a pocket vape first. The vapor genie has a few models....do they all smoke the same?... ie. ( https://www.vaporgenie.com/index.php/VaporGenies.html ) the classic, the exotic and the hand carved..I know they are all similiar but just wanted to hear from you guys if there is a preference among you with the different vg's. Also wanted to know if anyone has anything to say about the eterra pipes ( http://www.lightwell.net/moxie/photos.html ) (http://www.lightwell.net/ )...I couldnt seem to find anything from you guys on this particular pipe..It looked like a really quality pipe.....I also like the vapor star....getting the pd next and then the extreme...Really love what I hear about the ssv as well, and will enjoy it with family and friends....but mostly its just me and granny which makes the pd just perfect for 24/7 chill. Interested in the space case grinder but for the price probably gonna go with the cc for starters ( http://www.vaporizerdealer.com/coll...s/2-25-4pcs-cnc-chromium-crusher-herb-grinder ) ..This may sound like a really stupid question but I rarely get any real quality bud anymore and I was just wondering what happens to the seeds and stems when grinding..I dont want to chop all that crap chopped up together and I have always used my hands. Do I clean the herb first...because after I get through with cleaning it is usually ground up pretty good...then what do I need a grinder for?... Never have used a grinder. I'm really great at cleaning with my hands but I do think I might be loosing some good stuff sticking to my hands. And last but not least I was afraid I would be reduced to injesting the herb somehow since I couldnt smoke anymore but this vaporizing may or should allow me to keep right on trucking.. Does anybody know where I could find any medical advice on my condition as pertained to smoking out of a vaporizer since combustion is out of the question....I am certain I'll be back with more questions and I cant tell you how much I have enjoyed being taken to school by all you guys here on fuck combustion....It has been an enjoyable read to find out something new about how to truly partake in this wonderful plant that god has given us in a much more healthy way. I'm dyslexic as hell and this ol mans typing skills absolutely suck so I apologize for your having to read my slop. Thanks so very much for your time and I eagerly await to read your thoughts. oh yea please feel free to offer any and all other advice you find to be imperative information to this vape newby. thanks again guys.

 

[LordKaz420]

Welcome sundaize! I hardly feel worthy of being the first to reply, since I have yet to post much myself, but I was quite moved by your story and would like to try and answer a few of your questions regarding grinding.

The main reason for grinding weed (in my opinion anyway) is to collect keif. Basically, all those times your hands were "sticky" after breaking up your bud, could have been collected into the bottom of a grinder, and then later pressed/heated into hash or enjoyed as is when you just want a little something extra. (If you want to use it right out of a vaporizer, be sure to have a small layer of weed between the keif and the screen. It's a very very fine powder and in my opinion would fall through/clog the screen).

The second reason is the benefit of not having to do "as much" work as breaking up your buds by hand. I say that because you will of course need to pick off little clusters from your bud in order for them to fit into the grinder. This usually only leaves a small amount of stems in the grinder, and it's very easy to just pick them out. Even if you aren't using the best quality stuff, you want as much surface area exposed as possible when vaporizing. The grinder will help with that, and you will collect keif with time. As far as seeds go, if I'm ever lucky enough to find a seed in my bud, it has always fallen right through the holes in the grinder and is easily spotted. I've never had one cut in half or anything, despite how easily and often I thought it would happen.

I hope you don't mind me asking, but I'm assuming the reason your doctor told you that you could never smoke again was because the smoke/particulate matter causing damage to your eye after having surgery, yes? If that is indeed the case, I would just like to caution you that you do exhale vapor, (depending on many factors, such as the vaporizer and type of hit you take, there can be quite a bit!) and it can "linger" in the air for a second or two. It doesn't last nearly as long as smoke, but it's there, and I would recommend that you always go for small and gentle hits. You could also try exhaling into a balloon. I keep meaning to try this and forget, since I'm told you can actually re-inhale the vapor from it. But as far as a constant smoke in the air, weather it be from a cigarette burning or a bowl roasting, you won't experience any of that with a vaporizer.. That's something I love about it, you can take as long as you want in between hits and not waste anything.

 

[Acolyte of Zinglon]

i can personally thoroughly recommend the pd, it is my primary workhorse vape and has been going strong (save a couple power cord failiures) since mid november of last year, i only love it more easch day. i cant speak for the eterra, however the pd is roughly basedon the original eterra and the aromazap.

im waiting on a shipment from vaporgenie with a teak handcarved, the primary difference between the models is aesthetics, the exotic and handcarved look to be slightly easier to use though because the flame is further away from the face and the eyes are freer to focus on the flame and its placement in the bowl. vaporgenie is made out to be a solid unit, and im inclined to trust that, im all for the "less parts to break" philosophy that has been adopted by manufacturers like purple days and vaporgenie

 

[lwien]

Welcome Sundaize.

Just wanted to add a few things to AoZ's post regarding the differences in the VG's.

The stems are longer on the exotics and the handcarved. The bad is, is that being that they are longer, they are a bit harder to carry around, i.e, not quite as stealth. The good is, along with what AoZ said above, is that they tend to be a bit cooler being that the stem is longer than the originals.

Also, on the exotics, I believe that the threads on the stem are wood rather than stainless. Not so with the handcarved or originals. I may be wrong on this, but if not, it could pose a problem later on down the line.

 

[Acolyte of Zinglon]

Also, on the exotics, I believe that the threads on the stem are wood rather than stainless. Not so with the handcarved or originals. I may be wrong on this, but if not, it could pose a problem later on down the line.

the original exotics had wooden threads, but now all the models use a stainless steel bowl insert

 

[lwien]

Also, on the exotics, I believe that the threads on the stem are wood rather than stainless. Not so with the handcarved or originals. I may be wrong on this, but if not, it could pose a problem later on down the line.

the original exotics had wooden threads, but now all the models use a stainless steel bowl insert

Ahh........kk. Didn't know that.

 

[gak hater]

i like my teak exotic, it is a little bulky to carry around
but its solid and works great.
first thing i did was loose the mouth piece, it works
much better without it and will give you better control on your draw
and it also makes it a little shorter.
i know if i wanted to i could smuggle it somewhere as well as i could any pipe.
as said above it has a threaded insert,i have no worries of breaking it at all
and would be pretty hard to do
its a solid piece.

 

[sundaize]

hey guys thanks much for responding. Appreciate all the info.

As far as seeds go, if I'm ever lucky enough to find a seed in my bud, it has always fallen right through the holes in the grinder and is easily spotted. I've never had one cut in half or anything, despite how easily and often I thought it would happen

. The seeds are primarily what I was worried about. Cant imagine the seeds not getting chopped in half and that would just be nasty and rather difficult to clean out. but if you say it does not I will surely give the grinder a go. Look forward to time saved and ease of use. I am getting crappy bud loaded with seeds but its all I can get at this time. Sure miss the good stuff. But as My wife and I say BTN (better than nothing)...Actually its WBTN (way better than nothing) since I've had nothing before, will having nothing again.... everyone knows just how bad that sucks...lol It just seems that if one uses a two piece grinder then you just smoke it all (keif) with each load and it makes each load taste and feel better than separating it would. I just don't know.

I am definitely getting the pd. I am sooo sold... its kinda why I was interested in the eterra moxie. Seemed like similar design being the pd inventor mentioned that he got the idea from this vaporizer. I did find a thread on here but still cant find any reviews anywhere on it. Pretty foolish for the company making eterra to NOT send you guys some of their vapes to review. I will NOT buy any vape with out a solid review.. makes me think they have something to hide. They might have a really great product but I'm not dropping that kind of money on a vape and battery pack with out reading some reviews by those I find to be reputable, honest, and with no dog in the fight. Their loss..and maybe mine also....too bad.

Not trying to be ridiculously picky but having smoked many tobacco and weed pipes for so many years (as I know you have as well) I have had much experience with pipes being very similar , almost if not identical(model and make) but DO NOT smoke the same at all whether it is just a little longer stem or different kind of wood, thickness ect...After reading from your post about just how important the EXACT heat temperature is needed to vape and not burn I was hoping to also hear from someone who has smoked out of each to compare or at least knows of a review from someone you guys trust... Every one says including the vg site that the classic is longer, and so less stealth. I realize its easier to use that way because of vision but I am ok with the difficult learning curve if in the end I enjoy the pipe more. What about cutting it(stem) down a bit shorter. Or is the exotic and hand carved larger all the way around than the original? I don't mind doing a little altering to improve the performance. Since I don't have any way to look at it since the shops around my home only have the black painted vg. I Really like the hand carved vg, I just cant picture it close up with the others. Seems like if it (exotic or hand carved) is longer then it would effect the draw as well as just how heated up the herb is by the time it reaches the mouth. It seems with my little knowledge so far, the most consistent (most foolproof) vapes ie. pd (excluding whips and such) there is very little space between the heat source and the end of the mouth piece to recieve the smoke. With a longer stem and no way to see the vapor build up it would seem like you loose a little control. And given this pipe has a bit of a tendency to burn the herb I was really wanting to know this info. The stack on the exotic and the hand carved look to be shorter. Is it just length of the stem that is longer? If so it would seem like one could get the exotic or hand carved and nip of some length in addition to loosing the mouthpiece..no? Wouldn't that make it even more stealth than the original vg? I have no way of comparing them together hence my asking you guys the experts. Oh yea, I understand the original and the exotic have same bowl but can the hand carved also fit the same? Does the bowl (hand carved) get hotter since it looks to be smaller. Can I still use it (the top bowl) on a threaded bong as the original and exotic can be used. interchangeable? Does the differences in types of wood allow one to get a little hotter or what ever than the other? I see that Tom on his Pd seems to stick with only certain types of wood. Leaning to the teak hand carved.

im waiting on a shipment from vaporgenie with a teak hand carved

Interested in how it turns out for you.

I hope you don't mind me asking, but I'm assuming the reason your doctor told you that you could never smoke again was because the smoke/particulate matter causing damage to your eye after having surgery, yes?

Don't mind at all. I am really not certain since I am a bit nervous to ask him if its ok to smoke mj in any way. I just know that the doctor said that with graves disease blindness is very possible due to pressure to the optical nerve being pinched off because of swelling of the eye muscles. . With the surgery they removed a pretty good chunk of the area that separates the sinuous from the eyes (to make more room for swollen eye muscles to fit back into the sockets, thus opening a path directly to the eyes. .... Smoke now has a direct path to the area of the eyes like never before. I have found this to be true as far as I tried to hit off a (just a small one) iced up bong a couple of times (yes I know it was probably foolish but was jonesin for a hit of some herb badly) Got a massive head ache, irritated eyes, sinuous and such. Really sucked learned my lesson and I wont do it again. You know how most all doctors feel. Weed is all bad all the time. Unless of course you happen to live in a state where its ok to have medical mj. So I am still having a difficult time trying to find medical info on this particular case. I happen to believe that taken in a healthy way that mj is the greatest plant of healing god ever created and so I to feel that if I can somehow use mj properly it will help in the healing process. Mj is supposed to help relieve inflammation which is exactly what graves disease does. Hoping I'm not just trying to figure out a way to justify doing something foolish for someone in my condition because I miss the relief I get from mj in so many ways for so many of my other ailments. I also really miss smoking out with my honey, its always our special time together.

You could also try exhaling into a balloon. I keep meaning to try this and forget, since I'm told you can actually re-inhale the vapor from it.

By the way this idea works great for smoking, so I guess it would work for just as well for vaporizing. I used to get balloons (the bigger the better) and put a piece of tubing fitted tightly into the hole so I didnt have to worry about trying to blow into a flat piece of rubber. You know what I'm talking about. Figured one day while shot gunning a hit to a friend..Thought to myself, that if we are getting high with each others leftovers then I must be NOT getting nearly as much out of each hit as I previously thought. why don't we just blow into bag and hand it rather than trying to blow through a pen or straw into someones mouth and all. Started with a bread sack and ducktaped an empty toilet paper roll to the end of it. Used that until thinking of a balloon one day and thus making it easier to blow into regularly it worked much better. The smaller the balloon the faster it will force it back into your lungs. The larger balloons make this process more comfortable and at ease. Also if you have tubing in the balloon it is just easier blow into the balloon and to stop up the hole with out accidentally letting the balloon go and watching your last hit go flying through the room. I was able to stretch my herb much farther when necessary. The drawbacks is that the second and third and so on hit does not taste nearly as good or is as strong obviously but as I always say....BTN....no WBTN... Thanks for your help.. I'll continue to read and learn from you guys.......always

hope this turns out legible...my honey said I rambled on to much...my bad.... sorry...................

 

[sundaize]

Sorry my post last didn't turn out so clean and easy to follow....not used to putting quotes into boxes and such...tried to post like you guys...not even close.. I really do suck at this...thanks for your patience...just learning...

 

[max]

Sorry my post last didn't turn out so clean and easy to follow....not used to putting quotes into boxes and such

Just paste the text into your message, highlight it, and click the quote button.

 

[sundaize]

Thanks max..I'll try that next time. didn't know that I could edit post after submitting it. wife laughed at me then showed me. Told you I was a newby. sorry.

 

[Phaang]

Sundaize-

I urge you to talk to your doctor about vaporizing vs smoking. You stated there is now a direct path from the smoke to your eye muscles. This would mean there is also a direct path for the vapor. Although there have been many discussion about the (relative) harmlessness of vapor vs smoke, vapor still can be irritating to mucus membranes. (All you other fuckers who inhale a vapor hit and fight not to cough or sneeze know what I'm talking about). I would be concerned that the swelling of the muscles and the subsequent pinching of the optic nerve could still be caused by vapor. Tell your doctor this is a lifestyle choice you make and you don't need any morality lecture from him. His opinion on the medical aspect of it is certainly valid, however. Having your doctor aware of potential for harm from vapor when it is YOUR body that is at risk is just prudent. If he can't get past moralizing, find another doctor. Remember, doctor/patient discussions are confidential and won't be used to get you arrested or anything.

Be prepared to accept ingestion as your means of use. Better than being blind!!

Good luck to you.