Quanity Vs. Quality

[DieHard]

IMO it is all about the cannabinoid receptors in our nervous system. If you are at a saturation point where nearly all of a body's given receptors have received their signal. There must be a point of diminishing returns. This would be subjective according to each individual's own nervous system. This may be the point where the entourage effects of the other compounds present in a strain produce the various different effects, thus the different "feelings" from different strains.

 

[howie105]

I'd like to share an ongoing debate between my oldest daughter and I.
I claim every weed strain has a ceiling (i.e. you can only get as high as weed strain z will take you and quantity ingested is irrelevant past the point of the strain's capacity).

My daughter contends the experience is more like alcohol, the more you take in the higher you get.
I say any given strain has a max point of highness and once that point is hit more herb is futile.

Does anyone know if there is a study on this or any data?

I'm curious about your experiences, which side do you come down on?

For the individual I think it comes down to what one thinks not necessarily what it is. From my point of view I tend to agree with you but that is just for me.

 

[Cuthbert J Twillie]

I was really drunk before I smoked so it was the combination that did me in.

Yup, That was my point Kenny. It's the booze in the combo that did you in. As someone else stated you can only get so high (off weed).

Well this is interesting.

i find that if i roll up a 3g joint i'm about as high as i'm going to get half way through and smoking the rest is just for indulgence sake

Like my avatar, I too enjoy smoking (well vaping these days) and I often find myself using the herb pointlessly because I enjoy the act of using herb (formerly known as smoking).

At the end of the day weed will only get you so high. The first high is IMO the most enjoyable and I think most of us try to chase that. I recently decided to wait to medicate until the evenings even during weekends.

I got to the above point years ago when I realized without straight time there is no "High Times".

If you are at a saturation point where nearly all of a body's given receptors have received their signal.

Excellent way to view this - Very FC!

 

[LarryYo]

I agree, when I keep dabbing, i eventually sober up and get sleepy.

i know what you mean @BeardedCrow. I am glad im not the only one that feels this and a lot of my friends don't believe me when we are having a sesh and i say that there is no point in me hitting these dabs right now. I have mentioned many times that i have smoked myself sober. So its because i keep hitting the ceiling. On night like that and i'm not paying attention il go through a gram trying to get medicated again before the end of the night but the only thing that hits me is sleep. It hits fast and hard as well. So OP thanks for bringing up this thread. It made me feel a little better.

 

[Cuthbert J Twillie]

So why is FC the best weed site on the web?
Because you get thoughtful and often scientific answers to your questions.
It lacks the sophomoric grab ass of lesser sites and offers great tips.

From this thread I got the idea of rotating my personal stock (i.e. switching strains daily) so my receptors don't become jaded.
In all the years I've been a practicing herbalist this idea never occurred to me.

Great tip - that's why I keep coming back here.

 

[1DMF]

I do not agree there is a ceiling to a high, only a floor, or none of you have ever pulled whitey!


Seriously though I did read some science blurb that you cannot OD and it's to do with the receptors and they will only absorb so much and then the rest is ignored.

But that's just hear-say from a website I can't refute because I don't have the scientific capacity.

Obviously there is WiKi : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabinoid_receptor

or a tonne of stuff on LeafScience : http://www.leafscience.com/2014/01/08/scientists-explain-marijuana-users-never-overdose/

Though as others have noted it doesn't explain the strain tolerance and how switching helps to ensure a good high is reached every session.

 

[CarolKing]

I was curious, are we just talking vaporizing or smoking?

I am a seasoned cannabis user. I was over medicated with an edible that was a bad experience that lasted at the worst point for 6 hours. Then I still felt medicated for 24+ hours. There is no ceiling when it comes to edibles.

I have never felt that way smoking or vaporizing.

 

[Cuthbert J Twillie]

I was curious, are we just talking vaporizing or smoking?

Any format.

I was over medicated with an edible that was a bad experience that lasted at the worst point for 6 hours

Over medicated is not the same as the ceiling.

BTW My wife ate too much Jenny Cake in Negril and got "overmedicated". She is a non-herbalist and she didn't think it would effect her.

 

[herbivore21]

Since converting to consuming resin rather than vegetative matter, I have found that quality and quantity are the same.

Great quality buds can have a huge amount more weight in resin than a larger amount of lesser buds.

Also I find even with limited access to only 1 or 2 varieties at a time, that I can keep getting effect from every hit reliably past the point that I would even want to take another hit. The secret is making lots of different kinds of extracts from the same material. Rosin, bubble hash, dewaxed solvent based absolutes, dry ice sifts, traditional hashes and reclaim as well as just the nugs themselves vaporized can all give different effects and help you get past any sensory habituation IME (this is one potential explanation that I suspect could be the cause of the sense of not getting any higher people describe here)!

I believe that the sense of not being able to get higher is a psychological phenomenon, since the cannabis high itself is a very subjective experience (for biological, environmental and psychological reasons, anything from the prevalence of cannabinoid receptors in the individual concerned to context of the cannabis use or the state of mind of the user).

 

[Tommy10]

I agree, MJ to me is like hallucinogenics in that there really is a quick rise and then a pleatu of diminishing return that you just can not seem to beat, it is steep also. Once you reach that point of max highness anything further consumption is pissing in the wind. Tolerance also builds quickly, unlike alcohol where it's basically a numbers game. You can get progressively more and more drunk... Till you die.

 

[Lokbok]

I also agree there are ceilings. I'm not the best example to use though because I'm also one of those where I don't notice much of a difference between strains... even to the point where indica vs sativas affect me pretty much the same. Because of this, I always go based on scent and flavor instead. Only time I feel like I get "too high" is on concentrates and edibles.

 

[analytika]

Any reason to microdose CBD dominant strains?

 

[seaofgreens]

I think for those that just enjoy the act of vaporizing, having a lot of tasty lower THC buds is where it's at. I have one strain that is a little citrus/little gas and is just amazing in the vape, but the yield on squishing it, is just a lot lower than I would expect. But you can sit around slowly elevating for hours with it and not feel burnt out by 2 PM. Also, with having a large quantity, I really enjoy having no compunction about loading a stem/bowl/whatever just for one extremely large taste saving rip and tossing the rest. No, I don't do that every time, but it is nice not to feel bad about waste.

For concentrates, again, I also appreciate having the quantity to squish or process with solvent as much as I can imagine. The only issue I came across this year was that I lacked air-tight storage for everything and was noticing the buds would not stick to themselves during pre-heat squish, resulting in lower yields. So if you do have to store a lot, I highly recommend a 5 gallon bucket with a gamma seal lid. Not perfect, but they have been doing well by me so far.

 

[Dynavaper]

I often went way over the limit in the last 25+ years of daily consumption, until a point when any further usage is useless and leads to nothing more that what you already feel. There is no "higher than high". There is indeed a barrier where things end. Trust me. I met that barrier thousands of times.

 

[howie105]

So what are peoples experience with bud and concentrates from the same plants?

 

[archangelz001]

I often went way over the limit in the last 25+ years of daily consumption, until a point when any further usage is useless and leads to nothing more that what you already feel. There is no "higher than high". There is indeed a barrier where things end. Trust me. I met that barrier thousands of times.

That's what happens when you downregulate the CB1 and CB2 receptors from overconsumption of cannabis. Your body shuts them down. Abstinence for a few days or weeks will reset the receptors.

 

[Alex3oe]

I often went way over the limit in the last 25+ years of daily consumption, until a point when any further usage is useless and leads to nothing more that what you already feel. There is no "higher than high". There is indeed a barrier where things end. Trust me. I met that barrier thousands of times.

Totally agree, less is more in consuming THC.

 

[invertedisdead]

It would be fun to only take one or two puffs a day. The strong psychoactive effects that come from a strict microdosing schedule are kinda cool. I remember when I used to have a real low tolerance, a couple pulls off a prefilled cart would have me staring at the wall.

 

[C No Ego]

I am glad you brought this up.

I agree that certain landrace strains do not have a 'ceiling effect' but not in the way 'ceiling effect' is being used in this thread. Any herb you partake of will only get you so high. This is a fact with all herb. You do not keep getting higher and fly through psychedelic space with sasquatch. When herb aficionados discuss the 'ceiling effect' they are talking about the ability a particular strain has to always get you high, day in and day out. There is no burn out with some of these strains. One of these landrace strains 'with legs' is pure afghan, you can do it like coffee and always get good effect. Where it is common for many dispensary strains to stop giving the same satisfying effect after using for a few days and require you to change strains to get nice and high again.

It is good to have a good landrace as your base while you enjoy everything modern herb has to offer.

those steady highs would be THCV doing its work as energizer and munchie killer weight loss compound ETC...

That's what happens when you downregulate the CB1 and CB2 receptors from overconsumption of cannabis. Your body shuts them down. Abstinence for a few days or weeks will reset the receptors.

correct diet has massive results... tolerance to any molecular active will be a certainty... differing molecular configurations and a diet that fuels ECS metabolism... the burned out effect comes from using up to much FAAH http://www.bionity.com/en/encyclopedia/FAAH.html aiding metabolism via dietary lipids and the more volatile Terpenes will be of great advantage http://themodern.farm/studies/Omega-3 Deficiancy Abolish Endocannabinoid Function.pdf http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/bph.13676/full#references

Totally agree, less is more in consuming THC.

unless you have cancer and RSO is your med

 

[His_Highness]

I'm not sure which side of this debate I would agree with anymore......

There was a time, up until a year or so ago, when I would have said flowers have a ceiling. Then I met up with a bunch of FC folk for a get together and for the first time in over 4 decades of use I actually had a slightly psychedelic result.

We vaped for 2 plus hours non-stop. Testing/experiencing all manner of vapes. I can 't count the number of vapes I got to sample. I didn't hit any vape more than twice and it was still non-stop. There were so many vapes we couldn't even test them all in the time allotted. The room had a horizontal vape cloud hugging the ceiling and when I finally left that room my cloths reeked bad! I never thought vape smell would be unpleasant till then. I slept in those cloths and the next morning they still reeked and I was still sightly buzzed! I think you could have gotten a buzz just being in the room where we were vaping.

When I left my fellow FC folk in that room I thought I had vaped myself straight .... it was at night and a minute or so into the drive .... it was like visually living in the famous painting called "The scream". I wasn't paranoid or "freaking out" ... it was just that the visual was the same color and texture as that famous painting which did make me uneasy. I had even brought some snacks (sweet and salty) to wear down the buzz before leaving but it obviously didn't work.

It was this experience that turned me off from driving within minutes of vaping since I completely misjudged how high I was until the ride back started. I guess it was concentrating on driving that brought it home.

The reason I said I don't know which side of the debate I land on is because I'm not sure it wasn't the different vape signatures enabling the extra buzz. We pretty much stayed with one type of flower so it wasn't multiple strains that pushed past the ceiling we're debating.

 

[PPN]

I am glad you brought this up.

I agree that certain landrace strains do not have a 'ceiling effect' but not in the way 'ceiling effect' is being used in this thread. Any herb you partake of will only get you so high. This is a fact with all herb. You do not keep getting higher and fly through psychedelic space with sasquatch. When herb aficionados discuss the 'ceiling effect' they are talking about the ability a particular strain has to always get you high, day in and day out. There is no burn out with some of these strains. One of these landrace strains 'with legs' is pure afghan, you can do it like coffee and always get good effect. Where it is common for many dispensary strains to stop giving the same satisfying effect after using for a few days and require you to change strains to get nice and high again.

It is good to have a good landrace as your base while you enjoy everything modern herb has to offer.

I agree with that assumption! I'm used to grow a Senegalese Landrace which doesn't look pretty at all, and not very productive as well. But this strain kick my ass and give me the clearer concentrate I ever had (and so tasty!) but not a large yield at all .
Sadly, after many years (+20) most seeds never wake up or take a while, that's why i tried to cross it with an Afgani (not pure I bet) and got 4 seeds I grow this year. The result was one landrace dominant, 2 afgani dominant and a sort of perfect hybrid between the 2 parents (no mâle). The landrace was slightly hermaphrodite and produces some seeds on it's own and some more on a small Cheese plant I kept around for seeds.... for next year!

 

[Krazy]

Word to the wise:

Anyone NOT already supplementing their diet with Omega-3 fatty acids is in for a treat, lol.

 

[C No Ego]

Word to the wise:

Anyone NOT already supplementing their diet with Omega-3 fatty acids is in for a treat, lol.

And cannabimimetics to go into next realm https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2449371/ Beta-caryophyllene is a dietary cannabinoid http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/bph.13676/full#references old time GC thread- https://forum.grasscity.com/threads/cannabis-black-pepper.1282798/ https://www.researchgate.net/public...bis_Plants_and_the_Endocannabinoid_System#pfb

 

[dynospec]

And cannabimimetics to go into next realm https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2449371/ Beta-caryophyllene is a dietary cannabinoid http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/bph.13676/full#references old time GC thread- https://forum.grasscity.com/threads/cannabis-black-pepper.1282798/ https://www.researchgate.net/public...bis_Plants_and_the_Endocannabinoid_System#pfb

So I should be taking beta caryophyllene on days when I want to get super baked or when I am in pain? I have rheumatoid arthritis, and am not currently in remission so anything that has anti inflammatory capabilities I get very interested in.

Neat thread, on topic I have always found there to be a ceiling, aswell I have experienced smoking myself sober many a times. I always felt like part of what caused it is simply the fact that after you are high for a certain amount of time on a regular basis, you get used to the effect and it feels like youre sober, even though you arent. Theres more to it than that obviously but I feel thats part of it.

 

[C No Ego]

So I should be taking beta caryophyllene on days when I want to get super baked or when I am in pain? I have rheumatoid arthritis, and am not currently in remission so anything that has anti inflammatory capabilities I get very interested in.

Neat thread, on topic I have always found there to be a ceiling, aswell I have experienced smoking myself sober many a times. I always felt like part of what caused it is simply the fact that after you are high for a certain amount of time on a regular basis, you get used to the effect and it feels like youre sober, even though you arent. Theres more to it than that obviously but I feel thats part of it.

beta caryophyllene offers some anti oxidant potential and that same effect titrates phytocannabibnoids... how you mix caryophyllene into your medication will have different results somewhat..