Qaroma/Taroma/Ceroma by QaromaShop

[cvs8floz]

Have been testing the Qaroma all weekend, best results so far have been with the Grav 18mm glass bowl. You can fit 2 scoops and then the stub from the heater sits on top of the material, as close as you can get to the heat source. Still had to increase temp to 750f to get decent vapor, the taste is a cut above average titanium taste. Notice how my coil sits almost an inch above the bottom of the stub. I find I have to work harder to get vapor than with a B1 @ 575F.

 

[Vasgas]

Have been testing the Qaroma all weekend, best results so far have been with the Grav 18mm glass bowl. You can fit 2 scoops and then the stub from the heater sits on top of the material, as close as you can get to the heat source. Still had to increase temp to 750f to get decent vapor, the taste is a cut above average titanium taste. Notice how my coil sits almost an inch above the bottom of the stub. I find I have to work harder to get vapor than with a B1 @ 575F.
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Still using the 3 wrap coil?

 

[cvs8floz]

Still using the 3 wrap coil?

Yes, it is underpowered, but I don't want to spend $ on another coil, just spent too much for the Qaroma. I did let the head and bowl heat soak for hours but the hot beads are just too far from the material to get the instant vapor I'm looking for. I did get it pumping out vapor after a while and the quality is outstanding. Something you would bring out to impress a fellow cannabis connoisseur but I can't run that hot on a daily basis.

 

[Ripstar]

One thing is for sure.. this device will be a big no go for me if one of the best vendors can't be honest.

 

[Shadooz]

One thing is for sure.. this device will be a big no go for me if one of the best vendors can't be honest.

*If one of the competitors, can't say it is not worthy for him...*

That was is only honesty, being deceptive because of the wholesale denial. Due to low start stocks (except the too long wood handle..)

Vgoodiez may already have a ton of coil+PID, which may not be compatible with T and Q shells.. clockwise..
Taroma being only incremental, compared to a Flowerpot.. (lower or higher? For now feedback are mitigates, and from competitors)
And Qaroma having its fitting hazard, whereas they nicely fit elev8r and their coils..

So yes, not interesting for them. On commercial view, which have nothing to deal with the feedback we want here.



I'm watching the Ceroma, which i know can be tricky to found the right compostion and cooking time.. (ceramics shrink during cooking).

My concern is about qaromashop saying "ceramic", which is the same than saying "metal" vaporizer.. can't find any sources of their ceramic composition.. maybe simple clay(sandstone, porcelain?), but i doubt with that ammount of CNC.. and can bring health issue (corrosive dusts, same with low grade and low annealed qwartz.. and the high temperature used by Q compare to C, interogated me, as pure Q have three time conduction of clay.. but maybe just a fitting issue?)

 

[vtac]

When members put on a retailer or manufacturer hat it comes with additional rules and responsibilities that they agree to.

It would definitely be easier in the very short-term to just let them post like normal members with no rules. Bashing competitors, shilling and advertising in competitors threads. It might be subtle at first but it's something we have always wanted to avoid completely here.

Of course rules are never perfect and we are open to suggestions. Just not in this thread. Take it to community discussion if you would like thank you.

It's also worth noting that when looking at a situation in a vacuum it can be easy to forget about the years of history (and on a forum members don't see the majority of staff discussions) that factors into a decision.

 

[kimura]

I'm getting easy/rapid vapor with Qaroma at 625*F by placing the load on a screen maybe a cm below the bottom of the heater. same way I use the elev8r. I'm using a CH coil and PID. doesn't need much of a heat soak. the coil can wiggle around within the housing a bit, which is probably necessary to avoid breakage. IDK, seems to be working great. this thread is

 

[cvs8floz]

I'm using a CH coil and PID

Are you using the latest CH 5-wrap coil because it doesn't fit in my Qaroma, maybe not all units are made the same. Mine has a thicker bottom than the Ceroma and less space for the coil.

 

[kimura]

Are you using the latest CH 5-wrap coil because it doesn't fit in my Qaroma, maybe not all units are made the same. Mine has a thicker bottom than the Ceroma and less space for the coil.

yes, I'm using the latest CH coil. I got it very recently. that is disappointing if yours doesn't fit. sounds like there may be some QC issues to work out. have you tried asking for a replacement/exchange? I've only used the ceroma once but the CH coil fit that fine too. it's a more aggressive heater but flavor is muted compared to quartz

 

[cvs8floz]

yes, I'm using the latest CH coil. I got it very recently. that is disappointing if yours doesn't fit. sounds like there may be some QC issues to work out. have you tried asking for a replacement/exchange? I've only used the ceroma once but the CH coil fit that fine too. it's a more aggressive heater but flavor is muted compared to quartz

Thank you for the suggestion, I will let manufacturer know with pictures so they don't think I'm making this up.

 

[Texus]

Are you using the latest CH 5-wrap coil because it doesn't fit in my Qaroma, maybe not all units are made the same. Mine has a thicker bottom than the Ceroma and less space for the coil.

My Qaroma fits a new 25 mm CH coil just fine.

Hope you can get a coil-Qaroma combo that fits.

 

[cvs8floz]

My Qaroma fits a new 25 mm CH coil just fine.

Hope you can get a coil-Qaroma combo that fits.

I have been trying to troubleshoot the issue with the manufacturer but that has gotten me nowhere, the only useful information I received from them is that there is a "raised step" at the bottom of the bowl where the coil sits, supposedly to keep the coil in place better. I feel that it is this "raised step" that prevents the CH coil from going all the way down but who knows. There are now 2 people here who have confirmed that their 5-wrap CH coil fits in their Qaroma, but mine definitely does not go down all the way and cannot be screwed down all the way. So either all CH 5-wrap coils are not the same or all Qaromas are not the same.
I bought the Qaroma on the assumption that it would work with the CH controller and coil and have no interest in purchasing additional coils and controllers, the unit with the bowl already cost me over US$220 shipped, this is almost $70 more than a B1 with bowl costs. I just want to warn people who are considering a similar purchase not to make the same mistake, your CH coil might not work with the Qaroma. And it really needs a large coil to work properly, my smaller 3-wrapper does not cut it.

 

[kimura]

Please measure the depth of your Q housing, as well as your CH coil. There is a raised step at the bottom but that shouldn’t matter unless your coil turns counter clockwise (which it doesn’t, because it is CH). The bottom of the coil isn’t flat where the coil ends, so the bottom of the housing isn’t exactly flat either, so as to fit the coil. My q top only catches a few threads on the screw, but it sits flush with the housing and holds secure. Again, please measure. If it really doesn’t fit then I think your Q is defective and should be replaced

 

[Ernielicous]

My qaroma fits with a CH coil pretty well. I did have to tighten/warp the coil with my fingers a little bit just for it to fit better without any wiggle but it forsure fits, at least in my case. I've been using it with the elev8 bowl and have seen great results, my friends would agree that it works quite well too. I also use a CH coil on the ceroma and it fits just as good too.

 

[cvs8floz]

This is the best fit I can get with the 5-wrap CH coil, the top nut just catches the top threads and sits at an angle leaving a big gap all around. I am not satisfied by this and would never use it like this, I think the post and threads would break after a short time. The height of the coil is ~ 16mm, about the same as the depth of the housing so it should fit. I wonder if the coil sold by Qaromashop fits any better, I doubt it, it looks the same as the CH coil, does anyone here have it? I think you would need a coil that is 15mm in height but I am not going to start shopping for coils. Is anybody in the market for a slightly used Qaroma?

 

[kimura]

No that’s not good enough at all. You’re 100% the coil is hitting the bottom of the housing in those pics? Or is it that the housing is too narrow for the coil? If you measure the depth of your housing I can measure mine for comparison

 

[Vasgas]

yes, I'm using the latest CH coil. I got it very recently. that is disappointing if yours doesn't fit. sounds like there may be some QC issues to work out. have you tried asking for a replacement/exchange? I've only used the ceroma once but the CH coil fit that fine too. it's a more aggressive heater but flavor is muted compared to quartz

Please measure the depth of your Q housing, as well as your CH coil. There is a raised step at the bottom but that shouldn’t matter unless your coil turns counter clockwise (which it doesn’t, because it is CH). The bottom of the coil isn’t flat where the coil ends, so the bottom of the housing isn’t exactly flat either, so as to fit the coil. My q top only catches a few threads on the screw, but it sits flush with the housing and holds secure. Again, please measure. If it really doesn’t fit then I think your Q is defective and should be replaced

Don't understand why the issue is with the Q? The way I see it, heads are machined to precision, whether it is CH or qshop. Its the coils that usually has discrepancies.

Issue here seems to be an aged CH coil, not fitting the Q head. The op has insisted that he'll not try any other coil, besides the one he has. If this is the case, I don't think we can ever know for sure. Still, it's definitely more likely to be a coil issue all things considered.

What I'm seeing is someone who bought a Q head, expecting it work with their older CH coil but it didn't. I don't think any model out there will guarantee compatibility with coil not sold by themselves. Similarly, I don't suppose op can request a coil replacement from CH, cos it doesn't fit the Q. We're talking about products sold by two different companies who don't promise inter compatibility?

I agree with measuring dimensions but the easiest way is probably to test with a different coil. A Q head is more than 150 bucks. Why not spend 30 on a dhgate coil to be sure?

This is the best fit I can get with the 5-wrap CH coil, the top nut just catches the top threads and sits at an angle leaving a big gap all around. I am not satisfied by this and would never use it like this, I think the post and threads would break after a short time. The height of the coil is ~ 16mm, about the same as the depth of the housing so it should fit. I wonder if the coil sold by Qaromashop fits any better, I doubt it, it looks the same as the CH coil, does anyone here have it? I think you would need a coil that is 15mm in height but I am not going to start shopping for coils. Is anybody in the market for a slightly used Qaroma?
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Your first photo actually shows the problem quite clearly. Did you show this to the manufacturer?

Can you notice that the last wrap of your coil is sitting on the raised step of the Q? Try moving it to your right, before pushing it in gently. That last wrap needs to slide into the raised step and stay beside it. That raised step will act like a wall, preventing the coil from moving sideways to the left. According to manufacturer, this provides better contact but I'm not sure of the science behind it.

Hope you can see what I mean with this:


If you still can't get it in, it looks to be an issue with your coil. Might wanna get a new one to try with.

 

[kimura]

What I'm seeing is someone who bought a Q head, expecting it work with their older CH coil but it didn't. I don't think any model out there will guarantee compatibility with coil not sold by themselves. Similarly, I don't suppose op can request a coil replacement from CH, cos it doesn't fit the Q. We're talking about products sold by two different companies who don't promise inter compatibility?

ok maybe I misread or am otherwise confused. I thought @cvs8floz was saying he had the latest CH coil and it didn’t fit. I have the latest CH coil and it definitely fits. This is what lead me to question the machining on his Q

agree that Q doesn’t need to make their heads compatible with CH coils (I think they should but that’s another question). I was just confused because my Q works great with my late version CH coil

 

[Vasgas]

ok maybe I misread or am otherwise confused. I thought @cvs8floz was saying he had the latest CH coil and it didn’t fit. I have the latest CH coil and it definitely fits. This is what lead me to question the machining on his Q

agree that Q doesn’t need to make their heads compatible with CH coils (I think they should but that’s another question). I was just confused because my Q works great with my late version CH coil

I'm sure both CH and qshop would love to be compatible with every coil out there. I don't really think it's up to them though. Just a quick look on dhgate shows more than a dozen sellers/makers of these coils. Besides the various pin configurations, I'm sure there are also slight size differences between each maker. I also won't be surprised if there are discrepancies in the same batch. May not be all of them but the occasional mismatch seems unavoidable. A 0.5mm deviation could make all the difference for us.

What I mean to say is the only way for CH and qshop to be cross compatible would be to share the same coil manufacturer and even then, there could be discrepancies in the same batch. I believe that's why makers test fit coils before shipping them out.

 

[cvs8floz]

No that’s not good enough at all. You’re 100% the coil is hitting the bottom of the housing in those pics? Or is it that the housing is too narrow for the coil? If you measure the depth of your housing I can measure mine for comparison

The coil travels up and down freely and hits bottom every time. The depth of the housing is ~16mm or ~14mm where the raised step is. The coil never drops far enough so the bottom wrap catches on the step, it just glides over. The step is located right next to the cutout, if the cutout were widened to the right it might drop down and catch the step, but I am not about to try widening the cutout because I would break the piece.

Why not spend 30 on a dhgate coil to be sure?

If you can show me a coil for $30 that is guaranteed to fit perfectly and will work with an Auber controller I will buy it immediately.

What I'm seeing is someone who bought a Q head, expecting it work with their older CH coil but it didn't.

100% correct. I am sure I'm not alone. The main reason for all my posts is to warn other members here not to make the same mistake, it might work, but it also might not.

 

[kimura]

100% correct. I am sure I'm not alone. The main reason for all my posts is to warn other members here not to make the same mistake, it might work, but it also might not.

ok my bad I stand corrected. I thought you had a new coil. my brain is shit these days. FWIW I think the Q is my current favorite vape and I have some decent ones. might be worth the $45-$50 for a new coil. in for a penny, in for a pound? if you wanted to send it to me I could test and make sure it fits. if it fits I'll send it back or buy it from you. totally understand if you don't want to but the offer stands

 

[Vasgas]

If you can show me a coil for $30 that is guaranteed to fit perfectly and will work with an Auber controller I will buy it immediately.

I'm sorry but I don't know Auber controllers. I'm also not in any position to guarantee you anything.

100% correct. I am sure I'm not alone.

Who else is reporting this? I've showed you the possible issue in your photo. Are you seriously ignoring that? Have you shown this to qshop?

The main reason for all my posts is to warn other members here not to make the same mistake, it might work, but it also might not.

Isn't it written on qshop website that you should purchase a kit if you're not sure? I feel you may be confused here, or intentionally venting your frustrations on qshop, which is very unfair. "It might work, might not" applies to every vape in this category when you mix components. You're gonna be really swamped warning members in various threads

You should try moving your coil to the right, for the last wrap to go down all the way, and sit beside the raised step. If you cannot do that, then either your last wrap is too long, or diameter too big/small. Your reluctance to try a new coil really isn't any fault of the seller? I just can't wrap my head around your rationale

It definitely could be a Q defect too. Just to be sure, my chamber depth in around 24mm give or take. If yours is the same, then we can eliminate the possibility of a Q defect. It'll be your coil for sure.

Or, you could take up @kimura offer to test it for you. He'll buy it if there are no issues. If it's a defect, you'll have a witness to prove it for you. If qshop don't replace a proven defect, I'll join you to campaign against this company. I'll help you warn more people outside FC even.

 

[cvs8floz]

my chamber depth in around 24mm give or take

Mine is 16mm. I have never attacked qshop in any posts, I have no interest in qshop. I am looking for measurements and facts to make my unit work properly without spending a ton more money.

 

[kimura]

ok let's be more specific about exactly what we are measuring. I measured at the cutout by taking a wooden chopstick, putting it in the housing and precisely marking it, and then measuring from the marks to the end of the chopstick with a caliper. I'm seeing 11.8mm from the bottom of the housing to the edge of the coil cutout, and 16.4mm from the bottom to the edge of the "cup". it's 14.0mm measuring from the step up to the edge of the cup. outer diameter of my coil is 26.4mm and coil depth is 16.3mm

 

[Vasgas]

Mine is 16mm.

I'm referring to the entire chamber depth. Thats the easiest to measure since there is nothing in the way. The chamber depth cannot be 16mm based on your photos. 16mm is shorter than a 5 wrap coil. Another way is to count how many rubies you can fill into the chamber. If it's the same as ours, should be good.

Again, no idea why you're ignoring the issue I pointed out in your photo.

I have never attacked qshop in any posts, I have no interest in qshop. I am looking for measurements and facts to make my unit work properly without spending a ton more money.

You may wish to read your posts again. You only have one 5 wrap coil from CH but you already dismiss the fact that a qshop coil would work. Why? A qshop coil is only about $30++anyways. I've not seen any incompatibility with Q and Q coils. So what's the reason behind your doubt? The only place that can give you the "guarantee" you want, is actually qshop. I'm confused.

You are warning others before even knowing the real issue? Not to mention you're ignoring many of the suggestions by others and myself. Instead you keep repeating the same thing that me and others have replied to.

I also don't believe a coil costs a ton of money. I'm sorry that your plan didn't work out and I do apologize for possibly reading into your comments a bit too much.

I've just been really put off by some of the posts on this thread. This has obviously nothing to do with you but may have thrown off my center a little. So far, only negative I'm reading is from a banned ig follower who didn't buy anything, a directly competing retailer and a guy who doesn't know ceroma is a b stock. I've vouched for FC so many times to the maker, inviting him to join us here. I'm definitely not bringing it up again. Gotta focus on getting centered again