Psychedelic trip from vaping, how is this possible?

[Jurkone]

I think that vaping a nice psichedellic sativa (K13 haze, Amnesia or similar) quite fast and in enough quantity can give you very, very psichedellic effects, with lots of body sensations, brighter colours, or colored patrons in your mind that, made of your own imagination, they almost expand themselves to the reality with open eyes... It can be amazing, and intense for sure, but different to psychedellic experience that you get with shrooms, in my opinion

And i agree with you say, that if you have eaten any shrooms recently (even weeks), that effects get pushed and are more vivid and clear.

¿What strains do you feel more visionary when vaped?

 

[nondarb]

I've been partaking for 15+ years and NEVER "tripped" like a true psychedelic.. I've had my fair share of high end exotics too. I'd link it to tolerance, I personally don't subscribe to the idea of any truly psychedelic strain.

Edit: afterglow aside, but that's not the MJ is it!

 

[kellya86]

I too have partook for 15+years with no psychedelic effects. Until I vaped. Now it is very noticeable. I've done more than my fair share of shrooms and acid in my time so I have points of reference.

And my herb in my vape is definately trippy after consuming about 0.4 within a couple of hours.

 

[nondarb]

I too have partook for 15+years with no psychedelic effects. Until I vaped. Now it is very noticeable. I've done more than my fair share of shrooms and acid in my time so I have points of reference.

And my herb in my vape is definately trippy after consuming about 0.4 within a couple of hours.

If anything for me vaping is more subdued albeit more efficient, if I'm looking to get knocked on my ass I'll combust or dab. Then again, getting retarded isn't always desirable.

I know that's probably considered blasphemy to most folks around here!

 

[Chill Dude]

If anything for me vaping is more subdued albeit more efficient, if I'm looking to get knocked on my ass I'll combust or dab. Then again, getting retarded isn't always desirable.

I know that's probably considered blasphemy to most folks around here!

Yes, it may be considered blasphemous to many of the purists on this forum, but not me. I'M like 95% vape and 5% dabs with an oil rig or hitting a blunt.. I'd say maybe 2 to 4 times a month. Additionally, I agree with you that dabs and blunts of high grade hit harder than the vape and get me super high. I usually only want to get seriously lifted like that a couple times a month, but I do find the high to be more intense..

When I do combust, it's a special treat for me and I only smoke the best. Last weekend I sat down with a buddy and smoked a big fat blunt... White Widow drenched with sour D oil. We got totally blasted and had a great time..It's all about risk reduction and IMO personally smoking 2 joints a month will not lead to any negative health outcomes.. I primarily only combust in socially situations. At home I like to exclusively vape and I like a more functional mild to moderate high to relax, reduce stress and aid with sleep at night..

 

[De Verdamper]

Kellya86-
dont forget that the endocannabinoid system of every person is different.
so the effect of exo cannabinoids can be totaly different, that's upto the user.
sofar i can see people with add ore anxiety problems DONT GO WELL on this satiiva strains
in contrary: people with ADHD, see it as their medicine.(in holland)
so the "neuron valves"are so very personal i think.

 

[kellya86]

Yes Im not saying this works for everyone. Depends on your receptors among other things. But I'm glad I'm one of the lucky ones who can achieve this state.

 

[throwawaytre3s]

I would hesitate to claim I've ever tripped (well, not on bud, I don't know FC's position on shrooms, so I won't talk about them). Once, I distinctly remember having mild auditory hallucinations. I was higher than I think I ever was previous, save for maybe my first time. I went upstairs to grab a drink, and my buddy was playing guitar. As I was standing there in the kitchen, pretty out there, I swear I heard drums, and someone singing that wasn't one of my friends. I went back down, and nobody was playing music or anything. I think it really depends on the context, you know? Your environment will totally affect how your high is, and I think that could potentially lead to having mild auditory hallucinations, but nothing more.

 

[Enchantre]

I would hesitate to claim I've ever tripped (well, not on bud, I don't know FC's position on shrooms, so I won't talk about them). Once, I distinctly remember having mild auditory hallucinations. I was higher than I think I ever was previous, save for maybe my first time. I went upstairs to grab a drink, and my buddy was playing guitar. As I was standing there in the kitchen, pretty out there, I swear I heard drums, and someone singing that wasn't one of my friends. I went back down, and nobody was playing music or anything. I think it really depends on the context, you know? Your environment will totally affect how your high is, and I think that could potentially lead to having mild auditory hallucinations, but nothing more.

When I am high, I do hear "normal" sounds as musical. I often, also, get "vocals" mixed in.
I also frequently get greater visual acuity, with enhanced color definition.

That's what I meant by "psychedelic" like

 

[GetLeft]

Thanks, @Enchantre! That's what I was meaning, too.

The other night, driving home after a brief session (with some super silver haze), as the dark had just settled and with windows partially down, I was having visual and aural experiences that don't occur when I haven't just had a brief session.

'Hallucinations' don't have to be an experience of full-on alternate reality. Although my first time back into the real world (the one that follows a session), after a break of many many years, the combustion of some exquisite Strawberry Haze left me feeling exactly as I had felt at certain points while tripping (way back in my youth).

I like to think that the 'hallucinogen' label given by the scientific community to our favorite medicine is linked to the strong possibility that the scientists who first tested and labeled the stuff back in the day were testing some pretty good stuff. I'd go so far as to bet that they still have some if it tucked away somewhere. And might even indulge from time to time.

 

[EverythingsHazy]

Thanks, I like to think that the 'hallucinogen' label given by the scientific community to our favorite medicine is linked to the strong possibility that the scientists who first tested and labeled the stuff back in the day were testing some pretty good stuff. I'd go so far as to bet that they still have some if it tucked away somewhere. And might even indulge from time to time. ;)

I think it has less to do with the stuff they tested/are testing being more potent, and more to do with the fact that they probably have super low tolerances, if any tolerance at all. The first few times someone gets high, or every time (if they don't do it often at all), it is a significantly different experience than that of a regular user.

 

[De Verdamper]

as you know there are many components in Cannabis. about 400/500
we know about 70 cannabinoids now, but the true effects are pretty unknown.
the same with the synergistic(?) effects of tehse molecules and their interaction with terpenes and flavonoids. (?)
The endocannabinoid system in our body let pass only a certain amount of a molecule.
So then we think that the sound ore picture we see, is normal.
If you trigger certain synapse processes with extocannabinoids then the amount of neurogene molecules , in the synaps transfer, can be more ore less. so it can work as an antagonist and as a agonist on our feeling and experiences
So the sound isn't transformed, the impact of the sound is transformed into an unknown experience:
we see ore hear something "different"
The same effect can be there when you are overloaded with testosterone, dopamine,endorfine ore adrenaline,
it can blur your perception, so you can see things different

 

[Nok21]

Damn, where to begin!

-How often do you vape?
-New strain?


I'd say, yeah, you can "trip" from vaping. But no where near the level of proper psychedelic fungus, IME. Maybe it was a SUPER potent strain your not used to, who knows?? I hope it wasn't some sort of RC laced herb.

I could see picking up a new strain, not knowing its X% more potent, and then getting back some usual body feelings associated with psychedelic usage.. But there are a few things in this thread that have me a little concerned.

The feeling i had, was similar to a truffel (psychedelic mushroom) trip. Especially body/mind were close if not equal to a truffel trip. How on earth is this giving me such a big trip, mind you not, this is one elbow pack, it gave me a trip for about 5 hours! ( Not just lasting twice as long, but ??times harder )
I just mindfucked myself quite a lot that evening, it was fun, weird, awesome and a bit overwhelming at times.

This quote begs me to ask the question:

-What kind of visuals did you have? Closed eye or full blown tripping-out-time-has-stopped visuals? None? If any, please describe them (Did you just see brighter/funky looking colors and wiggly lines, or was the chair melting into the floor after the ceiling started to melt in a corner?)
-Did you just have the body load and out-in-space frame of mind?

Even the next day, almost 20 hours later, all of the sudden i reentered this trip for a bit, not as intense, but something i could not shake off.

THIS is what concerns me the most. That you randomly started tripping.
-Any edibles in the past two days?
-Did you just start getting visuals or the whole shabam, visuals and body load with time distortion?
-Did you vape before you re-entered this state?
-If none of the above, consider seeing a doctor should you randomly start to trip


I would like to assume the cause of this is a combination of low tolerance and a new super strong strain you haven't tried. Otherwise, look at any other mind altering substances you may have ingested in the last month, for real.


Those are just a few things that came into mind reading your original post. I hope I didn't come across as condescending/ dickish/ etc, but that last quote had me a little worried, so I wanted to cover as many theories as I had.


Keep us posted, okay?

 

[FR0ST]

The feeling i had, was similar to a truffel (psychedelic mushroom) trip. Especially body/mind were close if not equal to a truffel trip.

My tolerance for THC (or perhaps cannabinoids in general) is incredibly low, and If I go over a certain (very small) limit I will always experience a headspace very similar to that of a reasonably strong psilocybin truffle trip.

Although it's pretty much only what I would describe as the negative aspects of a stronger dose of truffles, no visuals or auditory hallucinations, just the more impairing aspects and sketchy short term memory etc.

 

[Tommy10]

I find weed at the end of say a Saturday night when you're seritonin is above average to be very trippy and pleasant! Miltiverse existence, short term memory shot to shit, closed eye visuals, light distortion and some audio distortion and an overall feeling of bliss similar to fungus. Less overwhelmingly inspiring (although this is a more common occurance for me than fungus so tollerance and being use to it more might come into it) and spiritual than your usual physcedlics. Since I now don't drink, still don't mind a night in a club and love my herb and trips it's not a bad way to spend an early morning when you wouldn't be sleeping anyways.
I find it is the way with combustion and vaping but vaping seems to offer a much smoother and nicer experience.
Especially if you do it while you're seritonin is on the way up, usually at this point combustion of weed or a ciggy can cause me to feel very gross and on rare occasions vomit. The smooth vapor does not do this, and even goes against the nausea. I don't think weed is psychedelic personally, but if I were to go down the phychedlic route for me herb is a must have addition and only ever enhances plus settles the belly.

 

[jojo monkey]

So from what I have read here.... It's all relative?!

I've had a few things that can make me trip and cannabis is different for me. On a few occasion I have had cartoon vision where colors are more pronounced and pop. I've had herb that made me feel like my body was floating. I've also had it where I see, at a low frames per second. Kinda choppy vision. I don't associate a drunken high with tripping.

On last idea....

The person himself is the most important determinant of how the enhancement will appear. Some persons orient primarily to visual stimuli and visual thinking, others to sound, others to tactile impressions. Visual orientation seems to predominate among persons in our culture; audile and tactile thinking is less common. It seems likely that sensory enhancement of a marijuana high would be most noticed in the predominate sense modality of the user; it certainly should have a differential response in relation to less used ways of perceiving.

Another factor which affects the response is that persons unfamiliar with the marijuana state frequently must "learn" that they are perceiving experience in a different way. That is, someone makes them aware of changed perception by showing them objects, playing music, and calling their attention to the difference in sights and sounds. Then they become consciously aware of the perceptual changes. This initiation procedure has led sociologist H. S. Becker (Becker, I963; partially reproduced in Solomon, I966) to suggest that most of the effects of marijuana are learned, not spontaneous. He says (accurately, I am sure) that the user must learn to notice the effects, categorize them, and connect them to the total experience of using the drug. What is learned in most cases is not a new way of perceiving, but the awareness of a change in perception. Few persons observe what they are doing in the sense of observing their seeing, and it is not surprising that many should have to learn how to become aware of themselves experiencing by checking current perception against memory and expectations.

The user's internal psychological needs will also influence his response. A fear of being overwhelmed by too much input will often reduce any changes to only those which the user can cope with or to changes only in certain modes. A fear of losing control over the perception of experience may suppress most of the effects and even shut down responses to below normal. On the other hand, emotional involvement with some part of the environment may enhance its perception. Internal physical needs also affect the response, e.g., hunger may be intensified so the person finds himself ravenous on getting high.

http://druglibrary.org/schaffer/hemp/general/mjeff1.htm

 

[CarolKing]

There have been occasions where time seems to go by at a greater speed and colors appear brighter. The sun may appear brighter. I may pick up a certain sound in a song that's playing, like some of the background music maybe that I wouldn't normally notice if I wasn't under the influence. It could even be the cannabis that I am using that helps to clarify the sound. Cannabis can increase your senses and your thought process, hopefully for the better. Not everyone can handle cannabis.

I don't know if this would be considered physchedelic.

 

[jojo monkey]

@CarolKing I don't think so.

 

[Wandris]

When I was 15 my friends and I liberated a large sack of trimmings from a dump site. It wasn't even buds but the stuff gave potent psychedelic trips on the level of a moderate shroom high. I would close my eyes and see patterns moving to the beat of some insane techno music only I could hear. While I have had plenty of good weed which induced minor visual hallucinations as well as general trippiness nothing ever really approached that level of psychedelic potency of that mystery shake. I would guess it comes down to the strain as well as your own brain chemistry at the time. Perhaps you were susceptible to such effect due to some other malady or drug in your system. Perhaps you took a massive does of nutmeg in your starbucks or took a few motion sickness tablets? One other theory I can come up with is you had a delayed metabolic trip, where you released a ton of stored THC and such from burning some highly dosed fat cells, not sure if that can actually happen but I have heard of it somewhere before. Although that wouldn't fit if you were getting high from a specific batch of weed

 

[sativasam]

Around 18 yrs ago I visited Amsterdam with a friend. I had only been smoking Mary jane for less than 3 years. We discovered Phillie Blunts, and being young and full of beans could literally smoke blunt after blunt with around 3.5 grams in each one and be running around. Im not sure how much we smoked that day but it was a lot. Possibly pushing 4 blunts between 2 people. At the end of the night I hallucinated. I saw my friends face enlarge, like a balloon being filled with air - while also appearing flat as if it was a cardboard cutout mask. His massive cardboard face was bobbing up and down, and felt like it was a couple of centimetres in front of where it should be. I remember him talking to me enthusiastically while I stared in disbelief. I would rub my eyes and shake my head and the hallucination would go away for a second only to transform again. This lasted I'm not sure how long until some other madness kicked off - but that's another story.

Another time in Amsterdam I smoked a large amount quickly before getting on a coach back to the UK. I was in the coach station and I could hear classical music playing. It was in my head but I could hear it as clear as day. Not like when you try and imagine a song normally. It was like Dolby Surround Sound between my ears. I don't know what song it was but it was a beautiful song played on the piano. I couldn't write music that good so I have no idea how my brain produced it. It was the middle of the day, and the live pianist in my head started to make me freak out a bit, so I used the power of my mind to turn the Dolby system off.

True stories.

P.S - I don't have schizophrenia.

 

[Chezgreendream]

I used to get trippy effects al the time when I first started to combust. I have always had low tolerence for bud, but at that time it was the mix of having zero tolerence and the strong bud that I used to get at that time.

I remember walking in the park once blasted as any astronaut can be, when I witnessed what I thought to be a giant yellow snake with spots on it on a bench, I hestitated to approach it, but when I finally did and focused on it, It was actually a banana....Ahhhh yes, those were the good ole days.

Now, @kamikze, I noticed that you mentioned that you elbow packed an extreme q when you got these effects. I have owned a etreme q, so I know that it can be a heavy hitter when used right and I think the trippy effects you felt might have been from the elbow packing and the high concentration of thc rushing inside your body.

On a similar note, I was using my volcano last week and stuffed the chamber with herb, I also put the liquid pad inside to take up the remaining space. I put the dial at 6.5, which on average produces a medium to light vapor, but since I filled up most if not all of the space, similar to elbow packing, the vapor was dense from the beginning.

Man, I got so fucking high, more than I have in a long time. If my heart was not racing it would have been more enjoyable....I started seeing squiggly lines trailing in my vision and hearing voices that were not real. I could feel all the hair on my face. I was like this for 6 hours.

So my theory was that since the temp wasnt that high but the herb was so compacted, that it vaped it at a differemt degree, realeasing more of those psychadelic effects