Pot Lung and Vaping

[momofthegoons]

Pappy, I'm so glad it worked for you too! I know switching to vaping made a world of difference for me. Congratulations on better health!

 

[Pappy]

Pappy, I'm so glad it worked for you too! I know switching to vaping made a world of difference for me. Congratulations on better health!

Thanks! Actually, I was a skeptic. At first vaping seemed related to smoking. Now I see it as more akin to cooking.

 

[Lo]

Congrats Pappy! I thought you'd notice an improvement and I'm glad to hear you have. Happy Vaping

 

[vapirtoo]

Yes kids vaping is the best way to do it.

 

[Pappy]

Haven't combusted once since 2010-04-21, the day I joined FC.

 

[PsychoticMisfit]

Vaping vastly improved my lungs. Im 35 and run around like a kid again.

 

[freeman dyson]

Yeah, i had a lot of what you're describing, pretty much symptoms similar to acute bronchitis, back when i smoked. I switched to vaping-only on a DBV also about half a year ago, and i feel heaps better now, but it did take a couple months for things to really clear up. And I was only smoking for about 6-7 years, a couple J's a day or so, so you might need even longer. Give it some more time.

As others have said, look into water filtration it GREATLY reduces the already reduced harshness of whip hits, as well as the fact that any bits that get sucked through the screen will get filtered out by the water. If i take a medium to large hit straight from the whip I almost always cough afterwards. I can take huge rip through water though and not cough at all most of the time though, so much smoother and moister and cooler (esp if you have ice in there too).

Here's where you can find the water adapters, which replace the mouthpiece on your hose (4th item down):

http://www.silversurfervap.com/Other_Parts.htm

If you don't already have a glass piece with a ground glass connection of those sizes, I can suggest a few very reasonably priced ones (I realize that ppl who are into thick and custom glass will shiver at some of the suggestions, but i'm trying to keep it reasonably priced and functional here, not top-of-the-line):

http://www.grasscity.com/double-bubbler-bong-2-0-with-shower-head-diffuser.html
(new version of a bubbler from Weedstar, which will take one of thoer 18.8mm (aka 19mm) water adapters perfectly. It has a removable showerhead diffuser, which looks really sweet (search youtube milkshots of it)... these have been selling like mad on grasscity because every time they get some in stock they're out of stock again within days.)

http://www.etsy.com/shop/dethstar
(A glass blower in the US with some nice looking and nicely priced bubblers, most seem to take 14.5mm adapters. Send him a message and see if he has any special deals. A bit pricier than the other options, but thats expected when you buy hand blown american glass, should have better durability, which could be a real + if youre a clumsy person)

http://www.grasscity.com/percolator-bong-blue-black-leaf-3.html
(just a cheap bong with a perc and some sort of diffusion on the downstem as well as ice fingers. I have a diff model black leaf bong currently, and while i have some issues with the massive size of it, it is of acceptable quality construction)

http://www.everyonedoesit.com/onlin..._Bong_Hexagon_Foot__250ml.cfm?iProductID=5909
(a nice small-ish bong from a well respected german glass company, with ice fingers but no diffusion on the downstem, but you could replace it with a diffused one as long as the size is right)


Those are just a couple suggestions to get ya started! I would definitely look for something small, not much more than a foot or so tall. I have a 2ft tube and its sometimes hard to get it filled and cleared in one breath because of how much sheer volume there is between it and the hose running into it.

*edit*

and when you're cleaning your wand out i hope youre saving the stuff you get out, because this "debris" is called wandhash and its very potent usually! Try smooshing some on top of a bowl next time you vape

will all this stuff work on da buddha too? The dry/warm air is killing my throat and sinuses and I need something bad.

 

[Pappy]

@freeman dyson > great post. Thanks for sharing it. Vaping some wand hash this a.m.

 

[Pappy]

Sorry to grave dig... New study suggest vaporizing reduces the harm of ingesting marijuana.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20451365

Int J Drug Policy. 2010 May 5. [Epub ahead of print]
Pulmonary function in cannabis users: Support for a clinical trial of the vaporizer.
Van Dam NT, Earleywine M.

Department of Psychology, University at Albany, SUNY, United States.

Abstract
BACKGROUND: Debates about cannabis policy often mention respiratory symptoms as a negative consequence of use. The cannabis vaporizer, a machine that heats the plant to release cannabinoids in a mist without smoke and other respiratory irritants, appears to have the potential to minimize respiratory complaints. METHODS: Twenty frequent cannabis users (uninterested in treatment) reporting at least two respiratory symptoms completed subjective ratings of respiratory symptoms and spirometry measures prior to and following 1 month's use of a cannabis vaporizer in a pre/post-design. Outcome measures included self-reported severity of nine respiratory symptoms as well as spirometry measures, including the maximum amount of air exhaled in 1s (forced expiratory volume; FEV1) and maximum total lung volume (forced vital capacity; FVC). RESULTS: The 12 participants who did not develop a respiratory illness during the trial significantly improved respiratory symptoms (t(11)=6.22, p=0.000065, d=3.75) and FVC, t(11)=2.90, p=0.007, d=1.75. FEV1 improved but not significantly t(11)=1.77, p=0.053, d=1.07. CONCLUSIONS: These preliminary data reveal meaningful improvements in respiratory function, suggesting that a randomized clinical trial of the cannabis vaporizer is warranted. The vaporizer has potential for the administration of medical cannabis and as a harm reduction technique. Copyright 2010 Elsevier B.V. All rights reserved.

PMID: 20451365 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]

 

[wolf torn]

nice find

 

[Pappy]

nice find

Their finding supports my finding... They should check out FC.

 

[momofthegoons]

So Pappy, you're going into your 7th month vaping. Have you noticed more improvement in your respiratory system?

Mine is back to normal. I've even had people commenting on the fact that I never cough anymore and wondering why.

 

[Pappy]

So Pappy, you're going into your 7th month vaping. Have you noticed more improvement in your respiratory system?

Mine is back to normal. I've even had people commenting on the fact that I never cough anymore and wondering why.

So Pappy, you're going into your 7th month vaping. Have you noticed more improvement in your respiratory system?

Mine is back to normal. I've even had people commenting on the fact that I never cough anymore and wondering why.

Absolutely! I began to notice improved respiratory capacity about 6 weeks in. Less particulates and tar led to less irritation and risk of infection. Although I still cough from THC expanding in my lungs I have much less brown phlegm than when I combusted. Recently began vapor bonging which adds increased diffusion and filtration. I can't swear by it but I suspect bonging is a good exercise for the lungs. Thanks for asking.

 

[vapormonkey]

There's gonna be a lot of pissed off smokers when they realize they trashed their lungs smoking.

 

[Pappy]

There's gonna be a lot of pissed off smokers when they realize they trashed their lungs smoking.

I believe vaporization and bonging is an offshoot of medical marijuana. Since MMJ is in its infancy it won't take too long before vaping and bonging is the cover Time magazine. You have my permission to feel like a pioneer.

 

[crawdad]

ive been wanting to try vaping in a water bong and saw the list in this thread, did not see where they are ready for vaping and i dont have a whip vaporizer. perhaps im lost in nomenclature here but is it possible to get just any water bong and perhaps use my vg glass ceramic filter thingy on it? my wild guess is that sizing is not standard, dont know.

nice reports on its effectiveness, thanks for sharing. the SO has asthma and anything to lessen the harshness of a hit is what im looking for.

 

[Pappy]

ive been wanting to try vaping in a water bong and saw the list in this thread, did not see where they are ready for vaping and i dont have a whip vaporizer. perhaps im lost in nomenclature here but is it possible to get just any water bong and perhaps use my vg glass ceramic filter thingy on it? my wild guess is that sizing is not standard, dont know.

nice reports on its effectiveness, thanks for sharing. the SO has asthma and anything to lessen the harshness of a hit is what im looking for.

A whip vape is commonly used. Most have standardized 18mm > 14mm GonG joints that are interchangeable with bongs. Look into an Arizer Extreme Q or the upcoming VapeXhale vapes Cloud and good luck.

 

[mysticlaker]

Hey Pappy,

Do you notice a difference in vapor dryness between the dabudda and the exteme q? I have an extreme q and notice more throat irritation now then I had when combusting. I was just curious if the different air/vapor ratios of different vaporizers produce perceptibly different dry vapor?

Thanks!

ML

 

[Pappy]

Hey Pappy,

Do you notice a difference in vapor dryness between the dabudda and the exteme q? I have an extreme q and notice more throat irritation now then I had when combusting. I was just curious if the different air/vapor ratios of different vaporizers produce perceptibly different dry vapor?

Yes, absolutely. The extent depends on whether you're using Elbows or Cyclones. Elbows are uber dry and i never used them on the Q with a whip, only Cyclones. When I started vapor bonging I realized Cyclones were overkill and water alleviated the Elbow's dryness.

I find DBV produces moister milkier hits at the sacrifice of some efficiency. Hope this helps.

 

[mysticlaker]

Hey Pappy,

I always use elbows in my Q. Hmmmm....I guess I'll go cyclone as well but that means the loss of efficiency. I wonder why it's drier when using elbow?

Do you think that the Q with a good vapor bong setup is equivalent to the DBV with a good water setup? I have a new bong setup in the mail coming. I guess I am willing to shell out more cash (my wife is going to kill me) if it will alleviate this problem.

I have a thread in Ask FC about this as well when looking into a cooling setup. Sorry that the same topic ended up in two places :/

 

[Pappy]

Do you think that the Q with a good vapor bong setup is equivalent to the DBV with a good water setup? I have a new bong setup in the mail coming. I guess I am willing to shell out more cash (my wife is going to kill me) if it will alleviate this problem.

I think the Q is better. With a water tool you can take advantage of the elbow's efficiency. For some reason DBV eats through more herb on a bong. I posted this the other day and someone else jumped right in and agreed. I almost exclusively bong elbows on the EQV now.

 

[Hypathia]

After a little over a year of vaping I can now run up my three flights instead of huffing & puffing. I too have been puffing for years,since '68 and did not quit cigs until 5 years ago. Vaping has given me back my breath Also, post nasal drip is usually a food thing with dairy, wheat & oranges being the worst in creating mucous.

Allow me to add my testimonial to this procession of respiratory miracles. One month ago today I purchased my first vaporizer -- Da Buddha. After using it 3 weeks and 3 days I can honestly state my airwaves feels clearer and less irritated. I still suffer from the effects of "pot lung" -- only markedly less so. I also suffer from post nasal drip which complicates my malady. So, after 3 short weeks I note an improvement!

I've toyed with the notion that the syncopated inhalation required to vape efficiently might strengthen the lungs. Breathing-wise, I find a direct correlation between vaping and harmonica playing -- something I've done for years. Those long deep steady controlled inhales may be good for your lungs!

NEWSFLASH!!! > Having combusted 45 years without owning a vape I now own two! Some of you may be aware Arizer was blowing out Extreme Qs for $149 on eBay a few weeks ago. Well, I emailed steve@arizer.com and glutton that I am cut myself in on the deal. Don't ask me what I'm gonna do with 2 vapes! Call me Pappy Overkill.

 

[SalamiCity]

I love vaping I CANNOT smoke anymore. I smoked first, and then vaped later that day, loved vaping from the start. When I first smoked I thought I might do it once every few months, but vaping got me into daily use, haha . If I combust I will get sick and spit up, and my lungs will feel like shit and burning feeling. Who the hell wants to feel like shit, get less high, and have worse health? I love when people say all this crap about vaping, when they are retarded and have no clue. Idc whatr they think, Vaping forever!!

 

[rockfishtoo]

wow, i am so happy to have read this thread...just got my first vape two days ago so i could quit smoking. pappy, your story of respiratory recovery is inspiring! hubby and i got an extreme q for xmas.

 

[djonkoman]

I still enjoy combustion next to vaping, vaping is what I do dailty and combustion is wehat I do when I want something different
maybe vaping even made ombustion better, since I ndever really tasted weed when combusting, but after getting to now the pure and delicious taste of weed with vaping, I can now also discover that taste when combusting, but it's a little harder since you have to seperate it from the taste of combustion
now I can even taste differences between strains when combusting, something I was never able to before