Portable vaporizer for a person trying to quit cigarettes, ease of use and high vapor production.

[HillaryClinton]

Thanks for the nice explanation nihil, it sounds pretty much perfect, I think he can get use to the cleaning of it, as long as its not an everyday thing, once or twice a week seems reasonable which some say is all it needs it seems. Yeah I will order the cleaning supplies separate, seems like a better idea. Glad to hear it held up for 2 years, thats reassuring.

I been looking up Tobacco places to nice quality decent priced Tobacco, what site do you go to or do you go somewhere more local, I found leafonly.com from some post on here and that seems pretty nice.

 

[nihil]

I simply use what I smoked for years - Peter Stokkebye Amsterdam Shag, I get it at my corner market or in bulk at the tobacco shop near work. I am sure there are better brands out there, this brand is just my preference.

And yes, I clean mine once or twice a week. I also make sure to keep it "mouthpiece up" to prevent resin "leaking" down towards the mouthpiece (even when charging). As with most battery operated electronics, let it cool down for a few minutes before charging. This also helps to abate the resin flow.

 

[HillaryClinton]

When you say keep the mouthpiece up when you charge, is that the normal position, it comes with a charging stand right?

 

[nihil]

Yes, it comes with a charging stand.

This is the achilles heel of the device in my opinion. The Pax is wonderfully engineered with a pristine fit and finish.. and then you have the charging stand. Cheap & flimsy are about the only descriptors that come to mind.

By default, the stand is a mostly flat plate that you drop the Pax onto. This orientates the mouthpiece end towards the earth, the oven end towards the sky.

What I do when charging is the opposite. I set the Pax on my kitchen counter oven side down, then place the charger on the top (mouthpiece side). I mentioned the charger was cheap & flimsy.. so it is light enough to sit on top of the Pax when charging. This is not the normal position by design, but logically is a better approach for the few hours it will sit on the charger.

Some users have had problems when charging the Pax as it comes. Reside leeches down into the more delicate mouthpiece mechanisms. By charging it "upside down," this problem tends to fix itself.

 

[HillaryClinton]

I see, that seems more logical charging wise, PAX just got back to me, seems its 125 to replace a battery even in warranty, wish it was user replaceable but I guess with the way its made that was not feasible, kinda costly for a battery replacement though. Wondering how many years it will last for a hardcore user honestly, because I have had phones that gave out in less then a year battery wise.

 

[paytonpenn]

Is the Inhalater an option?

 

[HillaryClinton]

Is the Inhalater an option?

Isn't that basically a more expensive Pinnacle Pro with more hassle? Thats what I found out by looking at them, that its basically the Pro with cartridges that eventually need replacing. I could be wrong though....

 

[RUDE BOY]

Some parts are sorta replaceable on most vaporizers screens, whips, bowls, mouthpieces, a lot of parts don't last forever. I would place the INH in the same category as the PNP but it's different, in use it is closer to the t-vape then a pinnacle in my mind but I've only taken hits off of an INH and never owned one myself. Solid feeling little vape the inhalator, nice hits for the few I took.

 

[paytonpenn]

I don't see it that way, but I understand how the issues people were having can make you feel this way. I find the design is better than the PAX and PnP, it allows for more ranges and better control.

I don't the cartridges need replacing that heavily and it should be noted as a benefit because it should cause less cleaning of the device itself.

Its just with it being the same price range of the PAX I feel it has more worth than the PAX. I would recommend the T-Vape over the PAX because its half the price with the same vaporization concept, minus automatic vs. manual.

 

[HillaryClinton]

Hmm not sure what to go with now, I am looking at the Da vinci one now, seems alright for a 100 dollar vape, have to see how the airflow/circuitry is layed out, is it a clean path like the Pax and a couple others? I really don't think he will like the T-Vape, he likes to hit it constantly, the T-vape seems to need to build vapor up after each hit.

 

[paytonpenn]

I would recommend searching for convection, if he want's to hit a lot. I can't help but think Hammer, but I understand you may not find that to be ideal for public usage, but in all honesty if its not weed what's the big deal, and the cigarette method (still untested, but I'll be damned if it doesn't work).

Firefly? Firewood? But the Da Vinci seems like it would be a good choice as well.

 

[HillaryClinton]

Looked into the Firefly, not really a fan of it to be honest, the firewood does seem nice. gotta look at that one more also, the hammer is a bit odd imo and looks like something in a toolset, not bad but not really sure its ideal for him, so far the Pax and the Da Vinci look like they produce the biggest, quickest hits with the least amount of hassle, although the Da Vinci seems a bit more worth the money for 100 when compared to the 250 Pax...

 

[paytonpenn]

I would bring these vapes forward to him, isn't it his decision?

I find the Hammer to feel very cigarette styled, by itself it may seem weird but maybe its because I am imagining someone using it native with a cigarette and/or cigarette style bat.

Its just the lighting of the lighter and bringing it to your face and inhaling, its nice.

 

[HillaryClinton]

Kinda, thing is he never was a fan but his health is an issue right now and this is suppose to be a surprise present sorta thing pretty much to try to convert him(Hence me trying to find a heavy cloud one to appease the smoker side in him), I am doing my mom a favor by picking one cause her life is super hectic usually, its for my step dad, he is around 50 years old and coughs like crazy and cant seem to kick cigarettes, I feel like this is a better alternative, pretty much like everyone here I assume.

We are pretty much worried about his health at this point.

Im gonna check out some more vids of the hammer, see if I can see him using it that way, I appreciate all the help so far.

 

[paytonpenn]

I really suggest looking towards eliquid, I would only go with organic but I can't justify getting into them. If his thing is tobacco and nicotine it would be a better all around investment to purchase something inexpensive like a pen capable of eliquids.

I'd really be interested in a better reason than not trusting them, I'd sooner trust people who make their own liquid locally than a corporation trying to grab every consumer with a tv or magazine ten years ago.

 

[HillaryClinton]

To tell you the truth that would be the only reason, kinda silly I know. I was always a bit iffy about it also when I did look into it a couple years back out of curiosity, I mean who to trust? At least with pure organic tobacco you can see and taste if anything is wrong with it, the liquid seems like an unknown, I might just be uninformed though to be honest, I never even tried a cigarette or tobacco in general, never liked the smell lol.

 

[Wizsteve]

battery replacement not a issue really with the pax if one can solder anyways life on those batteries are around 3-5 years. few have done upgrades using 3000ma instead of 2600 ma it could however void the warranty.

cleaning is not needed really that much if one uses food grade lube on the stem. after doing so it took a month before it started to stick lol q tip wipe and relubed it worked like new again

 

[HillaryClinton]

battery replacement not a issue really with the pax if one can solder anyways life on those batteries are around 3-5 years. few have done upgrades using 3000ma instead of 2600 ma it could however void the warranty.

cleaning is not needed really that much if one uses food grade lube on the stem. after doing so it took a month before it started to stick lol q tip wipe and relubed it worked like new again

Wow 3-5 years? Thats using it multiple times a day? Pretty incredible, guess batteries are getting better.

Thats good to know, would for sure use food grade on it, from a health standpoint alone.

Thanks

 

[olivianewtonjohn]

I second the ecig idea; clouds and clouds due to the glycerol...Only like $30 locally for a decent one

 

[paytonpenn]

To tell you the truth that would be the only reason, kinda silly I know. I was always a bit iffy about it also when I did look into it a couple years back out of curiosity, I mean who to trust? At least with pure organic tobacco you can see and taste if anything is wrong with it, the liquid seems like an unknown, I might just be uninformed though to be honest, I never even tried a cigarette or tobacco in general, never liked the smell lol.

I personally have been interested in Velvet Cloud Vapor if I do get into e-Liquids, http://www.velvetcloudvapor.com/pages/about-us


I recommend looking on YouTube for reviews. But if you can find a good local seller that is natural he may be more willing try.

 

[HillaryClinton]

I second the ecig idea; clouds and clouds due to the glycerol...Only like $30 locally for a decent one

Any brand I should look for, if I got him a liquid pen I would want it to be one with a clean vapor path, possibly made in America(No hate towards china/etc..,just that there is a better possibility that he would be open to it because of this...). I saw something about VaporZone, not sure if those are good.

How long does a 15ML bottle go anyways, 10 seems pricey for that amount of liquid when you can buy a pound of tobacco for like 20 bucks. Just curious of the price difference.

 

[olivianewtonjohn]

Any brand I should look for, if I got him a liquid pen I would want it to be one with a clean vapor path, possibly made in America(No hate towards china/etc..,just that there is a better possibility that he would be open to it because of this...). I saw something about VaporZone, not sure if those are good.

How long does a 15ML bottle go anyways, 10 seems pricey for that amount of liquid when you can buy a pound of tobacco for like 20 bucks. Just curious of the price difference.

My mom uses the ego ecig and she likes it (seems to be like the pax of the ecig world); sorry I cant be much more help than that, not my field of experties. Just thought you might want to give it a second look, worse case your out $30 if he doesnt like it. Looks like this:

 

[paytonpenn]

How long does a 15ML bottle go anyways, 10 seems pricey for that amount of liquid when you can buy a pound of tobacco for like 20 bucks. Just curious of the price difference.

I don't imagine too long for a heavy smoker. I would suggest google for those questions. But I don't think anything could beat buying a pound for 20 dollars..

I know I can put a CE4 tank on to my O-Phos, can't speak for battery life with that, but by default its great I haven't had it die on me from using all day.

There are other places with different prices, I have also been curious about VaporChef.

 

[HillaryClinton]

My mom uses the ego ecig and she likes it (seems to be like the pax of the ecig world); sorry I cant be much more help than that, not my field of experties. Just thought you might want to give it a second look, worse case your out $30 if he doesnt like it. Looks like this:

I see, will check that one out, 30 is very reasonable.

I don't imagine too long for a heavy smoker. I would suggest google for those questions. But I don't think anything could beat buying a pound for 20 dollars..

I know I can put a CE4 tank on to my O-Phos, can't speak for battery life with that, but by default its great I haven't had it die on me from using all day.

There are other places with different prices, I have also been curious about VaporChef.

This site says 15ml is equel to about 10 packs, thats not to shabby if true.

 

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