Please recommend a vaporizer for small quantities, super safe, etc.

[lwien]

dadesign, you mean you can vape the stuff left over in the VG, with the PD? or you vape the stuff left over in the PD, with the VG? (The answer is probably obvious to anyone but a newbie. Sorry.)

I re-vape the ABV from the PD in the VG. Take it to a very uniform very dark brown. They do compliment each other pretty well in this regard.

 

[MoeOnTheMoon]

Okay, well, I made ONE decision:
I decided to keep the Vapor Genie!
Reasons I decided to keep it insead of returning it for a Launch Box:

1) A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush.

2) I looked at the Launch Box photos and videos after reading about it, and just don't like the look of it, but more so I don't like the idea of the way the battery is used.

I don't like the way the battery has to be with it but does not remain inside it, connected. Why not a battery cover with an on/off switch? Oh well, that's just my I'm sure there's a reason it is the way it is. I know some say it's "cool" looking and that's fine, but to me it just looks odd. "Not that there's anything wrong with that." :/

I think it's an ingenious design and probably appeals to many's inner nerd. And in a way it does to mine, too. But there's something about it that I don't find appealing.

I do like the fact that it works with electricity instead of a flame; that strikes me as the main thing "better" about it, at least looking at it "just on paper". That and its smaller size.

So, okay, I decided to keep the vapor genie. I read the instructions and decided to try it. I applied my piezo-type lighter to it intermittently and started sucking medium to light tokes, instead of one steady inhale. I began to taste a little something but could see no vapor coming out. So then I applied more flame and then I tasted the burnt herb. I opened it up and looked to confirm that I had burnt some. But there was a lot left and hardly any sign of vaporization.

So I stirred it around and went back to the drawing board. Screwed the top back on and got the lighter. Oh, this time I re-read the instructions and saw the part that said "it is important to inhale constantly".

So I did it again, and this time I got a very good inhale of vapor and it was very good. Nice hit!

I opened it up to look and now I saw my very first signs of vaporization! I popped my portable vapor cherry with the VG! :applause:

There was still probably half left (I only loaded a small amount, only maybe 1/20g or less). Some day I'll get out my gram scale and tell you guys how small my daily dose is. You'll be amazed and probably tell me I'm not really getting high!

Anyway, so I stirred what was left and went back for another hit. I actually got one more big and one more small hit out of it. So I got 4 hits or so and only one burnt popcorn hit - the first one.

I am sure I can master it to rarely if ever reach combustion.

It's a little bigger than I imagined it to be. I thought it would be about 2/3 this size. I see how the Launch Box is more discreet and more appealing if you want to risk using it at a concert or whatever. Even though I have a legal right to use it, I am still wary of dealing with law enforcement. I'd rather just not deal with that, so I try to be just as discreet as if it were illegal. I'm probably just a little too paranoid. I don't think the LE around here cares.

Anyway, as a former hash smoker, the VG pipe look and feel appeals to me and will probably be a good way for me to transition into using something like the PD in the future.

Over all I am happy with the VG but I would sure have liked to have just bought a PD off the shelf at my local head shop, instead! With a 9 week wait I am going to investigate the above alternatives VERY closely and consider buying something I can get within a week or two, or off the shelf of a local dispensary or store.

So are the above the only vaporizers that meet my requirement to be very efficient with the herb, not having to load much at one time?

I know there are many others on the market so I'm surprised the recommendations seem to focus on only 2-3. What about Vapor Bros.? What about Silver Surfer or Da Buddha? Well, anyway, I'll be looking into these. I think I did read that the SS requires more herb to be loaded in, right?

Thanks to all for your comments and recommendations. I would definitely go for the PD if it weren't for the waiting issue. But as things are I have to look elsewhere.

 

[Yukon Cornelius]

I would go ahead and order the PD (NOW!!!) and just forget about it, and enjoy your VG for a while. Before you know it, the PD will be at your doorstep and you will truly be glad you ordered it.

As stated earlier, it will pay for itself.

As far as most other vapes, they're probably not economical enough for your needs. I own a Da Buddha and while it's a great vape, it's not particularly ideal for small loads.

Here ya go :

http://vapenow.com/index.php/Purple-Days-Vaporizer-p-266/

I haven't even received mine yet, but it's definitely what you're looking for...

 

[Orange Hairy Mist]

http://www.vriptech.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=VR&Category_Code=VHW

Buy this right now! It will be perfect for any amount of marijuana in the pipes, or bongs that you already own!
Don't hesitate even a second! Buy now!
I am not associated with this company and do not own the product. This is my first post and I would like to say that I may get the VHW as a replacement to my jerry-rigged vapes that are spewing carcinogens into my lungs on a daily basis.
I also ordered the Purple-Days and am considering the MF launch box. However, due to my history of working with electronics, I am apt to make my own. All the MFLB seems to be to me is a resistor hooked to a battery. Correct me if I am wrong. But, if so, then it will be easy to design my own and patent it. If I fail horribly, then I'll buy one.

 

[MoeOnTheMoon]

I would go ahead and order the PD (NOW!!!) and just forget about it, and enjoy your VG for a while. Before you know it, the PD will be at your doorstep and you will truly be glad you ordered it.

As stated earlier, it will pay for itself.

As far as most other vapes, they're probably not economical enough for your needs. I own a Da Buddha and while it's a great vape, it's not particularly ideal for small loads.

Here ya go :

http://vapenow.com/index.php/Purple-Days-Vaporizer-p-266/

I haven't even received mine yet, but it's definitely what you're looking for...

Yukon, how do you know for sure it is so good if you haven't got one yet? Have you used someone else's?

You wrote, "before you know it, the PD will be at your doorstep". That might be true if I had something like the Myrtlezap to use in the meantime, but the fact is I can't afford to order both and sell the MZap when the PD comes... (if I would even want to do that...) When you say "before you know it", you don't know me... To me, waiting for something for over 2 months is beyond annoying, it's almost unbearable. I really hate waiting for things. I will often pay extra just to get something local instead of waiting for a cheaper something-or-other on the net. I'm just not good at waiting. Not at all.

So right now I'm leaning more towards the Myrtlezap. Really the only thing that bothers me about it is the warranty. It just makes no sense to me that they offer a short warranty like that. I wish I were running their company. I am sure I could increase sales by a big percentage just by upping the warranty to even one year. Then I'd do away with the brass issue by just not using brass. With those 2 changes I think the MZap could cut a big bite out of the PD market, even if they raised their price a bit to compensate.

Are you listening Myrtlezap?

 

[MoeOnTheMoon]

Question re Myrtlezap vs. PD:

The Myrtlezap site says "... the most important part of keeping vapor stems clean is to be sure you volitize all of the herbal oils in the stem tip each time you use it. If you leave even one draw worth of essential oils in the stem tip each time you use the stem, the unused oils will build up rapidly. Experienced users like to leave slightly plugged stems soaking in alcohol to keep them clean. You will get the best results by cleaning them before they get too plugged. "

So is the PD the same way? I actually would like to leave herb sitting in the "bowl", and not feel obliged to clean it out each time. That seems like a pain in the butt, if they have to be cleaned out each time you use them, in order to keep them from getting clogged.

 

[standard]

Question re Myrtlezap vs. PD:

The Myrtlezap site says "... the most important part of keeping vapor stems clean is to be sure you volitize all of the herbal oils in the stem tip each time you use it. If you leave even one draw worth of essential oils in the stem tip each time you use the stem, the unused oils will build up rapidly. Experienced users like to leave slightly plugged stems soaking in alcohol to keep them clean. You will get the best results by cleaning them before they get too plugged. "

So is the PD the same way? I actually would like to leave herb sitting in the "bowl", and not feel obliged to clean it out each time. That seems like a pain in the butt, if they have to be cleaned out each time you use them, in order to keep them from getting clogged.

Not sure, but I think they are referring to keeping the stem clean of oil buildup, not leaving unvaped herb in the unit.

 

[Happycamper]

My Pd really does not need the stems cleaning out that often. Just doing it now for the first time in about 4 weeks or so and i use about 5-10 bowls a day. Also it's so easy to do in ISO also do it enough times and you can evaporate it off and harvest some quite potent stuff from it.

(Would like to say the stems are very similar to the Mzap, so it's probably the same for it too.)

 

[lwien]

Question re Myrtlezap vs. PD:

The Myrtlezap site says "... the most important part of keeping vapor stems clean is to be sure you volitize all of the herbal oils in the stem tip each time you use it. If you leave even one draw worth of essential oils in the stem tip each time you use the stem, the unused oils will build up rapidly. Experienced users like to leave slightly plugged stems soaking in alcohol to keep them clean. You will get the best results by cleaning them before they get too plugged. "

So is the PD the same way? I actually would like to leave herb sitting in the "bowl", and not feel obliged to clean it out each time. That seems like a pain in the butt, if they have to be cleaned out each time you use them, in order to keep them from getting clogged.

I leave herb in the stem all the time. There are many times that after a few hits on a stem, I just don't want anymore, so I'll leave the rest in there for 24 hours or so, and vape it the next evening. No problems. And I only clean my stems once a month.

 

[reece]

So right now I'm leaning more towards the Myrtlezap. Really the only thing that bothers me about it is the warranty. It just makes no sense to me that they offer a short warranty like that. I wish I were running their company. I am sure I could increase sales by a big percentage just by upping the warranty to even one year. Then I'd do away with the brass issue by just not using brass. With those 2 changes I think the MZap could cut a big bite out of the PD market, even if they raised their price a bit to compensate.

Are you listening Myrtlezap?

I don't think the maker of the Zap is concerned with the PD market. According to him, he is doing just fine.

He doesn't believe brass is an issue. No one has been able to provide any evidence to the contrary. I researched the brass issue for almost a month before buying a Zap and couldn't find anything to dissuade me. I'm not saying I'm the greatest researcher but it was enough to satisfy me.

As for the warranty, yes long warranties make the buyer feel better. Businesses do pretty well, I assume according to anecdotal evidence, selling those extended warranties. However, according to Consumer Reports, they are a waste of money because most problems occur within the manufacturer's warranty period (The AppleCare extended warranty being an exception). I used to always buy extended warranties until I read Consumer Reports. And I still do, sometimes, if it is something that I feel has a lot that can go wrong and/or is a new product. I've never made use of an extended warranty, other than AppleCare.

Think about what you are asking. If the MZ inventor knows that any problems arise withing 90 days but charges more for his product by giving an inflated warranty period he is basically charging you for the extended warranty without giving you a choice. So, he could give a 5 year warranty and charge $200 (for example). But, he knows that in the vast majority of cases he will never have to honor that warranty. He would be charging the consumer extra for a false sense of security. Although legal, in my opinion that would be dishonest.

Question re Myrtlezap vs. PD:

The Myrtlezap site says "... the most important part of keeping vapor stems clean is to be sure you volitize all of the herbal oils in the stem tip each time you use it. If you leave even one draw worth of essential oils in the stem tip each time you use the stem, the unused oils will build up rapidly. Experienced users like to leave slightly plugged stems soaking in alcohol to keep them clean. You will get the best results by cleaning them before they get too plugged. "

So is the PD the same way? I actually would like to leave herb sitting in the "bowl", and not feel obliged to clean it out each time. That seems like a pain in the butt, if they have to be cleaned out each time you use them, in order to keep them from getting clogged.

You misunderstand. You can leave unfinished herb in the bowl. It's just that when you empty the bowl, if the contents aren't fully vaporized, you leave behind some build-up. Which quickly adds up if you do that with each bowl. Hence, clogged stem and more frequent cleaning.

 

[Beezleb]

I would add that no one has reported any issues whatsoever outside of the warranty period concerning the Mytrlezap.

 

[exdmd]

I have a Myrtlezap and a Launchbox. Can't imagine being without the zap, I leave it on 24/7 sitting on my desk. Been using it for two months now. Great vape and it really helps me stretch the herb. Taste is not as clean with the Launchbox, I reserve that for portable use, at which it excels. I have not seen a vape priced less than the zap that I could live with. Oh, I tried a Vapor genie, never could get the hang of it, put it on the shelf.

 

[MoeOnTheMoon]

I don't think the maker of the Zap is concerned with the PD market. According to him, he is doing just fine.

He doesn't believe brass is an issue. No one has been able to provide any evidence to the contrary. I researched the brass issue for almost a month before buying a Zap and couldn't find anything to dissuade me. I'm not saying I'm the greatest researcher but it was enough to satisfy me.

As for the warranty, yes long warranties make the buyer feel better. Businesses do pretty well, I assume according to anecdotal evidence, selling those extended warranties. However, according to Consumer Reports, they are a waste of money because most problems occur within the manufacturer's warranty period (The AppleCare extended warranty being an exception). I used to always buy extended warranties until I read Consumer Reports. And I still do, sometimes, if it is something that I feel has a lot that can go wrong and/or is a new product. I've never made use of an extended warranty, other than AppleCare.

Think about what you are asking. If the MZ inventor knows that any problems arise withing 90 days but charges more for his product by giving an inflated warranty period he is basically charging you for the extended warranty without giving you a choice. So, he could give a 5 year warranty and charge $200 (for example). But, he knows that in the vast majority of cases he will never have to honor that warranty. He would be charging the consumer extra for a false sense of security. Although legal, in my opinion that would be dishonest.

If the owner is doing fine and does not wish to increase sales then clearly there is no reason to change anything, and that's a fact. I was just looking at it from a business standpoint, where usually one wants to increase sales.

I may yet buy a MyrtleZap so I am not disparaging it in any way, only pointing out what others have pointed out, which is issues with the warranty and with the brass. And those are not really issues - as far as I know - since no one has had any problems with one that I know of, where the problem was not remedied, and one has not proven any problem with the brass. So basically we are talking about CONSUMER PERCEPTION here, and often that is a big issue in buying a relatively big ticket item.

To play devil's advocate with your extended warranty explanation, I don't think the PD warranty is necessarily being charged to the consumer. That would be the case only if he were getting a lot of returns, which I don't know that he is and doubt that he is. So if the MZ also extended their warranty to 3 years would he have to raise his price? I don't think so. If he indeed receives no complaints - or very few - then it would not cost much - if any - more to just extend the warranty. It would be "on paper" only, for all practical purposes since - according to the manufacturer - they never go bad within 3 years anyway. So for no increase in cost, one would be "adding value" to the product.

But again, if the owner is doing fine and does not wish to increase sales, then there is no reason to change anything, other than to perhaps give his customers a little more peace of mind and confidence when purchasing.

 

[MoeOnTheMoon]

You misunderstand. You can leave unfinished herb in the bowl. It's just that when you empty the bowl, if the contents aren't fully vaporized, you leave behind some build-up. Which quickly adds up if you do that with each bowl. Hence, clogged stem and more frequent cleaning.

Sorry but I'm still not sure I get it. You are saying I can leave herb in the bowl, but I nevertheless need to clean out the spent herb? So it's okay to leave in un-vaporized herb, but not okay to leave in spent herb?

 

[MoeOnTheMoon]

Another question on PD vs. MZ:

Is there a difference between how dry the herb needs to be? Should the herb be dried before vaporizing? So that means you have to "cure" it before vaporizing, if it's sticky? Does that cause a loss in potency?

Does one of the two (PD vs. MZ) handle sticky herb better than the other? This sounds like a Consumer Reports type test that should be done by someone! Users? What's the verdict on this?

 

[The_Algebraist]

I would opt for a SSV over the PD. PD is an awesome vape, but for me the SSV is ajust a little bit more awesome. You don't need to wait over two months for one and you can use as little or as much as you want. The whip allows the air to cool to a comfortable temp, variable temp controls, a carry case, good for solo or group use. It's the shit. But, for some the PD is the shit.

 

[MoeOnTheMoon]

I would opt for a SSV over the PD. PD is an awesome vape, but for me the SSV is ajust a little bit more awesome. You don't need to wait over two months for one and you can use as little or as much as you want. The whip allows the air to cool to a comfortable temp, variable temp controls, a carry case, good for solo or group use. It's the shit. But, for some the PD is the shit.

Most have said that the SSV is not good for VERY small amounts of herb like I stated in my opening post. Are you saying that it does work well with super small amounts of herb?

The thing that brought me to the PD or MZ as opposed to the SSV is that I was told the SSV is not as efficient for someone like me who may only use a dose of about .025g of herb at one sitting.

Are you stating that the SSV is equally as efficient as the PD or MZ? Have you compared them?

 

[reece]

To play devil's advocate with your extended warranty explanation, I don't think the PD warranty is necessarily being charged to the consumer. That would be the case only if he were getting a lot of returns, which I don't know that he is and doubt that he is. So if the MZ also extended their warranty to 3 years would he have to raise his price? I don't think so. If he indeed receives no complaints - or very few - then it would not cost much - if any - more to just extend the warranty. It would be "on paper" only, for all practical purposes since - according to the manufacturer - they never go bad within 3 years anyway. So for no increase in cost, one would be "adding value" to the product.

But again, if the owner is doing fine and does not wish to increase sales, then there is no reason to change anything, other than to perhaps give his customers a little more peace of mind and confidence when purchasing.

I wasn't talking about any specific product. I was commenting on what you said about charging more for a Zap based on a longer warranty (although after re-reading your post I realize you were also talking about changing the brass).

And no, one would not have to charge more for a longer warranty but one could. The consumer wouldn't know. The manufacturer can set a higher price because a longer warranty gives peace of mind. If the warranty is only 30 days, most wouldn't pay the higher price. So, even though it is known that any problems occur within 30 days, the manufacturer could give a 5 year warranty and charge more.

You misunderstand. You can leave unfinished herb in the bowl. It's just that when you empty the bowl, if the contents aren't fully vaporized, you leave behind some build-up. Which quickly adds up if you do that with each bowl. Hence, clogged stem and more frequent cleaning.

Sorry but I'm still not sure I get it. You are saying I can leave herb in the bowl, but I nevertheless need to clean out the spent herb? So it's okay to leave in un-vaporized herb, but not okay to leave in spent herb?

No, you can leave either in. It's just when you are ready to unload the bowl, usually before loading another, it is best that the herb is spent. That way you'll need to clean the stems less frequently.

 

[josh]

... So I'll probably keep the genie just to use if I go camping or visit a friend or otherwise need a portable.

Question: with the launch box, it uses AA batteries, right? So, wouldn't rechargeable NIMh batteries work? Or no?

I am about ready to accept the wait (I HATE waiting!) and order a PD... .

So many replies I don't even know where to start. Well congratulations with deciding to keep the VG and I hope you can get good use out of it. To be honest, I probably need to spend a day and get to know mine better. Always good to have a back-up.

The LB uses AA 1.2V NiMH batteries. You may want to catch up on that thread. I thought I remember reading something about an adapter to plug in.

The PD does have a long wait time, but once you get it you'll understand why. The MZ is another option if you just cannot wait, but be aware they are not the exact same.

I see some others recommended other vapes as well. The whole thing is how much do you really vape? If it's every day all day then get a collection of vapes. If it's just every now and again, then find something you are happy with and don't worry about trying to find the "best". Good luck and I hope you end up with something that suits your needs. Also, no matter what, shop around and compare prices. There are lots of good deals to be had and FC members get extra discounts at some dealers.

 

[B.]

I'd reccomend the Magic Flight Launch Box also. I think it's a great transition vape for making the switch from smoking because, to me, it resembles the activity of smoking more closely. I'ts kinda like smokin a bowl. After years of trying to get my sister(a daily smoker for a decade+, like me) to vape she remains unimpressed by my DB, SSV, and Extreme, but the LB got her excited. It's such a cool little thing. And the portability factor is great.

@Moe : nimh is the best battery to use for the LB.

 

[sneezyjesus]

Honestly the PD/MZ really does seem like the best choice for the preferences you stated. It is quite the long wait list though, and if you aren't partial to the MZ than I can empathize with the feeling of "settling" for the VG.
Don't give up on it though. I would attest for all the points made for the VG, good and the few bad, as a specifically "niched" vape. It's hardly the best vape, but I plan on owning it, the PD, and two others, each for their own purpose. Though your primary purpose is identical to my reasons for contemplating a PD purchase, I also desire a burly, bring anywhere party kinda vape; a mobile social vape. The LB will be my stealth and car vape...the Vaporstar as my shoot my brain into the stratosphere vape...

I digress.

In anyone's case, it's important to know why you want a specific vape, and then in turn what you would use it for. But unless your vaping will exclusively take place at homebase, (And even then VG=pipe=fun to chill and puff), then I wouldn't count out the VG just yet. You may find you'll share some fun times with it

 

[MoeOnTheMoon]

sneezy, I do like my Vapor Genie. As I have a lot of experience with pipes, I find it pretty easy to not get burnt popcorn. I will improve to nearly zero burnt popcorn within a short time I'm sure.

That said, there is something "neat" about the PD and the MZ that appeals to me and makes me want one in spite of the fact I don't really "need" one. Mainly I don't need one because I smoke only 1-4 hits a day. So really the Genie would be fine for me. But I like the reported efficiency and ease of use of the more expensive vapes. Honestly, having used the Volcano once, it really appeals to me and if I were rich, I'd put it in the running as well.

I was telling my friend who's a long-time smoker, that he absolutely should switch to vaporizing, and that he should buy a Vapor Genie or Launch Box. Even $50 seemed too expensive to him (for the Genie) but I told him he'd be glad he did it and his lungs and health in general were worth it. The bottom line is, I think once a person tries vaporizing, they will prefer it over smoking, and once they try a Genie or Launch Box they will want a nice home unit.

I'm editing this because the Volcano no longer appeals to me after I studied more about how it works. The fact that it has a fan inside that can get all full of dust and stuff makes me not want to mess with it. That kind of thing can be very bad for someone with allergies to dust and asthma.

 

[shantytown007]

dadesign, you mean you can vape the stuff left over in the VG, with the PD? or you vape the stuff left over in the PD, with the VG? (The answer is probably obvious to anyone but a newbie. Sorry.)

PD -> VG, since the PD has a fixed temp, and the VG has an adjustable one (aka the lighter). I have a similar setup, but my 'smokeflow' is Grinder [Keef separated for pressing] -> PD or LB -> 1st Jar (with about 1/3 fresh ground from the grinder) -> SSV -> 2nd Jar -> cooked into cannabis oil or smoked w/ pressed keef hash.

A bit complicated in the beginning but it's def nice getting ripped ~4 times from the same nuggets.

 

[jeffp]

Ditto on the PD.

I both.

 

[highonlife]

Don't think this has been mentioned yet, but as far as I can tell it's exactly what you want:
http://www.vapbong.com/en/
It's super portable, safe (only glass and screens touch hot air), and you can heat it up in a few seconds.
I used to have one (broke by stepping on it ), and it was PERFECT in almost every way. Only problem was it didn't hold enough bud at once for me. So I think you should be good to go. Try not to dismiss it because it looks like a crack pipe .