please help me find best water filtration vapo with all glass

[alexzion]

i thought i made a post last night regarding the same topic but i was unable to find it after.. lol i dont know if i posted wrong or it was deleted or never approved as a topic but hopefully that isnt the case and there is not another post on the subject.

i am looking for a a vaporizer that can be attached to my bong(18.8 or 14.5) and has nothing but glass exposed...
i like the VHW, the herborizer and the verdamper but all of them had one thing i did not like

either the weird bowl of the VHW as well as the silicon or rubber fitting ring
or the exposed metal heating element of both the herborizer and the verdamper


WHAT I AM LOOKING FOR SPECIFICALLY IS:

a fully encapsulated heating element (in glass only) that is able to be attached to any bong at either 18.8 or 14.5 like most roor, ehle ect.

if anyone has any suggestions of a product that matches what i am looking for, i would love to hear all about your experiences with any type of water filtering vapos... so far the closest thing i have found would be the herborizer but apperently the exposed element will effect flavor, which is of utmost importance to me, along with good strong flow with the ability to vape between .5g to 1.5 at once

thanks for your help and any input you have!!

 

[george]

The VapeXhale. It's an all glass airpath, not out yet but i think this will be the best attachment for a bong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH4jQ-MBZ5Q

 

[alexzion]

hm very cool, not quite what im looking for, was hoping for something to attach to a bong i already have....

would that work fine upside down on my bong?
i really like everything about the herborizer except the metal exposed and the price lol.. 420 canadian for just the vaporizer

anyone else with any other water filtrations i could attach to a roor type bong

 

[george]

Ya they made it so you can use it on any 18mm bong (14mm w/adapter) upside down and it works the same.

 

[aero18]

You can use glass vaporizer bowls, although you do have to use lighters with them.

Closest thing would be to make your own vape out of an SSV glass heater cover and a ceramic hakko. It isn't all glass but you shouldn't taste a difference. You can use whatever bowl you want with it.

 

[charliedontsurf]

Vaporstar will work on a small-size conventional slide bong or the 14.4 mm small glass on glass joint.

Vapo-bowl will work on large (18.8mm ?) glass on glass joints.

Both are under 30 dollars and work pretty admirably, neither are all glass but the vapobowls cap robs you of little-to-no flavor IMHO.

As for full glass, you have the HD vape, which many people like but I've never tried, and the Full Dome vaporizer, which seems like a better design to me but is not in production. I can't even get an email back from the producer. HD bong part is like 65 + 5 shipping I think.

Of course alot of vapes can be jury rigged onto bongs. If you have a chintsy bong with a standard size metal bowl you can just screw the Vapor genie top on that and vape away with usually good results. Standard, hum-drum box vaporizers can have their inhalation whips just thrust into a downstem - boom, vapor bong.

 

[finchrock24]

Arizer Extreme Q. I flip it up side down and it slides right onto my 18mm downstem in my little Biohazard. Right out of the box you can hook it up to an 18mm stem...nothing else to buy. Just put a screen in the stem, put your herbs on screen, and slide your EQ in the downstem like you would the bowl. Start at around 220-230F and work from there...can go a little lower too.

The EQ IS NOT all glass though...but the ceramic heating element is enclosed in a glass cylinder so the vapor path is glass.

 

[max]

i really like everything about the herborizer except the metal exposed and the price

If you're concerned about stainless steel emitting toxins in a vaporizer, with the temps involved, I don't think you're doing your research properly.

 

[stinkmeaner]

The EQ IS NOT all glass though...but the ceramic heating element is enclosed in a glass cylinder so the vapor path is glass.

You are wrong and it saddens me when I see posts like this. Many members including me have posted pictures of the internals of the Extreme and Extreme Q, both have one of the worst air paths out of any vaporizer, I am not saying it is toxic but it is clear from the pictures that they put no effort in making a clear path for air to travel through without hitting electronics and wires.

They should really get rid of the computer fan and take some notes from the Volcano and create a controlled air path through silicone tubing.
These are couttesy of vaporman & Mr. smoke no more and as you can see the air enters and passes through nearly all of the electronics.

I figured I would Edit this to show exactly what I mean:

 

[finchrock24]

What was wrong with my statment? I said that the EQ is NOT all glass and that the vapor path is glass...never did I say the vapor path was all glass.

Also, you make a point about air passing over electronics and such, which is valid. However, when the air passes over the electronics, it is still ambient (maybe a little above) temperature...because it has yet to reach the heating element. If the air travels through those components at room temp, there is no harm done. The air doesn't get heated up to 400+ degrees until right before it leaves the tip of the ceramic element.

Now, I personally don't use the fan on the EQ because I think its a bit chincy and useless. I do agree that they need to overhaul that little system.

As far as the wires in the element go, I am not sure about those. I have taken my EQ apart on serval occasions but I have never tampered with the element, so I do not know how far up those wires go or what they are made off. I do know that two of them are the silicon wires (safe) for the temp probes. Since you seem to know what your talking about, maybe you can elaborate on the EQs wiring and how it is involved with the heating element? Have you removed the element form your EQ? Would be interested if you could get some pics with the heating element off...but I would understand if you didn't want to do that with your vape and risk some type of damage.

This is just the way I see it...EQ hooks up to my bong nicely and gets the job down well...I smell no plastic smells from it and still walk, breath, and talk just fine. Everything CAN kill you in someway or another...I just don't like minoring in majors...I'd rather get stoned.

 

[max]

the ceramic heating element is enclosed in a glass cylinder so the vapor path is glass.

I said that the EQ is NOT all glass and that the vapor path is glass...never did I say the vapor path was all glass.

You're nit picking. When you say "the vapor path is glass", that implies ALL glass. If you don't mean all glass, you should say the vapor path is partially glass. Of course when you do that, your statement really has no point, since every vape with a glass bowl has a partial glass vapor path. On this forum our official stance is going to be that 'glass vapor path' means glass all the way.

 

[finchrock24]

Oh well I apologize for my incorrect statement and my inability to pre-perceive the forums 'understood' terminology.

 

[stinkmeaner]

What was wrong with my statment? I said that the EQ is NOT all glass and that the vapor path is glass...never did I say the vapor path was all glass.

Also, you make a point about air passing over electronics and such, which is valid. However, when the air passes over the electronics, it is still ambient (maybe a little above) temperature...because it has yet to reach the heating element. If the air travels through those components at room temp, there is no harm done. The air doesn't get heated up to 400+ degrees until right before it leaves the tip of the ceramic element.

Nothing is wrong with your statement, I just can't believe that people still look at vaporizers in a 2 dimensional view so to speak, most only seem to care about the element and don't actually look at the surroundings.

Like Max said, we start the air path at the beginning to the end. In this case air travels through the printed circuit boards before it reaches the heater but I am willing to bet that it is above room temperature just because of the ambient heat the device gives off. I am not saying the air path should all be glass, ceramic, or stainless because not every design allows for that but what they could do is have a nice path with like the Volcano has with the silicone tubing leading from the outside, into the pump, then into the heater.

As for the air getting heated only at the tip of the element, that is just not true. The tip is not the only part of that element that gets hot, the whole thing does, more importantly is the fact that the glass tube creates a little oven and being that you said that you don't use the fan, then that means the lower half with the wires will be exposed to more heat than if you were using the fan because cooler air would enter with the fan on and create a constant flow.

As far as the wires in the element go, I am not sure about those. I have taken my EQ apart on serval occasions but I have never tampered with the element, so I do not know how far up those wires go or what they are made off. I do know that two of them are the silicon wires (safe) for the temp probes. Since you seem to know what your talking about, maybe you can elaborate on the EQs wiring and how it is involved with the heating element? Have you removed the element form your EQ? Would be interested if you could get some pics with the heating element off...but I would understand if you didn't want to do that with your vape and risk some type of damage.

Even if the wiring is made of supposed safe materials they shouldn't celebrate it because it is still synthetic, they also don't need to test their safeness by keeping every inch of them in the air way.
More pictures of the Extremes are not what you need, instead I implore you to look at a vaporizer which has no exposed electronics. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cmx_qoong84

This is just the way I see it...EQ hooks up to my bong nicely and gets the job down well...I smell no plastic smells from it and still walk, breath, and talk just fine. Everything CAN kill you in someway or another...I just don't like minoring in majors...I'd rather get stoned.

Of course I know there are many other things that can hurt you in this world and I am not saying that the EQ is toxic, I stated that in my first post, in my view if are going to design a device that is made for health and potentially aimed at medical users, then why not make clear air path with no wires and electronics. Ideally they would switch fans to diaphragm pump and make a sealed air way with food safe tubing leading to a sealed heating chamber.

Overall I think if someone was in the market for a bag fill vaporizer it would be better to stick with something with a sealed air path if possible, the Volcano is sealed and I believe the Zephyr is too but Bruce would have to verify that.

 

[finchrock24]

I use a Volcano on a weekly if basis, sometimes more often (close family member has one). The thing comes apart like a gun, quite frankly. It is in no doubt the best machine I have been able to use and would love to own one (after all, hooking the Volcano up to a binger is real simple, and thats what I like doing) but obviously I don't have the pocket book to own one.

Are their any studies or anything on the topic of vaporizer internals and adverse health affects? I'm curious whether or not all our time purifying our vapor paths is a waste or not. Obvioulsy we don't want lead or things like that in our vapes, but do PCBs really adversely affect our health? Not trying to instigate...I'm just wondering if any scientific studies have been done. I'll admit that the first time I saw my EQ on the inside I had a "WTF" moment toward all the exposed wiring...but then quickly dismissed my fears because its a fairly trusted vape and based on my own personal experiences with it...I had never had (have) problems with it.

 

[2clicker]

Are their any studies or anything on the topic of vaporizer internals and adverse health affects? I'm curious whether or not all our time purifying our vapor paths is a waste or not. Obvioulsy we don't want lead or things like that in our vapes, but do PCBs really adversely affect our health?

there are plenty options available that dont have wiring or PCBs in the airpath. if i were looking for a new vape this is where i would start.

i dont believe there are any proper studies on the risks, if any, from using vapes. the materials that youll find in the higher quality vapes air path will not emit any poisons. this is believed because it requires a much higher temp to reach the point of emitting fumes (or whatever). ceramic and stainless steel should be completely safe at the temps required for vaping. im no scientist though

if your convinced that you must have an all glass air path then just wait it out until the cloud is released.

 

[stinkmeaner]

I use a Volcano on a weekly if basis, sometimes more often (close family member has one). The thing comes apart like a gun, quite frankly. It is in no doubt the best machine I have been able to use and would love to own one (after all, hooking the Volcano up to a binger is real simple, and thats what I like doing) but obviously I don't have the pocket book to own one.

Are their any studies or anything on the topic of vaporizer internals and adverse health affects? I'm curious whether or not all our time purifying our vapor paths is a waste or not. Obvioulsy we don't want lead or things like that in our vapes, but do PCBs really adversely affect our health? Not trying to instigate...I'm just wondering if any scientific studies have been done. I'll admit that the first time I saw my EQ on the inside I had a "WTF" moment toward all the exposed wiring...but then quickly dismissed my fears because its a fairly trusted vape and based on my own personal experiences with it...I had never had (have) problems with it.

The 'Canos really are built like a gun, if only they were more affordable so everyone could afford them or better yet I wish they would come out with a new model that was dual purpose and less expensive.

As for your studies of vaporizer internals, there are really no studies sadly, I wish companies would kick out a few bucks for a study. There are however studies on inside of Computers, and other electronics with toxins. You can Start Here: http://wiki.freegeekvancouver.org/article/Toxins_in_Computers


I know you have not had problems with it and I am not saying it is toxic but you just shouldn't have a medical device that doesn't have a sealed air path, any device that you are inhaling deeply from should be isolated. It just comes down too personal choice, I personally don't want my vaporizers to have an air path that looks like the inside of my alarm-clock.
As to why they made the Extremes the way they did, it probably comes down to either money as in they don't want to pay to engineer a solid product or they are just plain naive to what a vaporizer is all about.....I am more leaning towards number 2 because the way the device looks with the glowing LED's and remote it is probably aimed at more of the party crowd than the avid health users.

You also said it is a trusted vape, well I got news for you, no vape has been proven to cause health problems, none. Trusted, think about how they became trusted, one because they function great and two because of word of mouth from internet users most of which I would say are mostly fresh out of high school (just speculation, I know there are older users too but I bet more are younger)

If these vaporizers caused health issues, these health problems would arise later on down the road if they did at all, truth is that even though the vaporizer is made in Canada, I know that those PCB & microchips are made in China and might even be assembled there just to save the headache of trying to track down one of the few remaining companies in North America that still does PCB assembly. We all know the Chinese do not have the health codes and if they were caught using lead paint and materials in baby toys then do you really put it past them to not use lead in the circuit board or chip manufacture?

 

[max]

Oh well I apologize for my incorrect statement and my inability to pre-perceive the forums 'understood' terminology.

You can use all the sarcasm you like, but it's a matter of using terminology that makes sense and isn't misleading.

The thread has gone off topic and we may have chased the OP off the forum. He's been MIA for several days. We need to get back to the OP's topic if this thread is going to stay open/active.

 

[alexzion]

sorrry i posted the forum and it did stray a bit from my original question but when i said i didnt want herborizer because of the stainless heating element it was because i read it could effect the taste of the product not because of the health risks, although that was my main concern but just assumed it would be fine. does anyone know the temperatures at which stainless and ceramic emit toxins? and does anyone have a rough estimate of when the xhale cloud is coming out ? if you can order just the vape without the bong and just your opinions on both the xhale cloud and the herborizer which would you get? you all seem to be a lot more educated on the subject then i am

 

[hemp;)goofy8cheerio]

vapexhale.com prolly b out for the holidays, it's what we are waiting for

 

[alexzion]

and i was also hoping that more then one person could reassure me that the vapexhale cloud, will work on a normal bong and that i dont have to use the ones it comes with, will it work upside down on a conventional 18.8 seal for a roor bong ?

 

[hereatlast]

It'll work with your Roor's GonG seal.

 

[stinkmeaner]

sorrry i posted the forum and it did stray a bit from my original question but when i said i didnt want herborizer because of the stainless heating element it was because i read it could effect the taste of the product not because of the health risks, although that was my main concern but just assumed it would be fine. does anyone know the temperatures at which stainless and ceramic emit toxins? and does anyone have a rough estimate of when the xhale cloud is coming out ? if you can order just the vape without the bong and just your opinions on both the xhale cloud and the herborizer which would you get? you all seem to be a lot more educated on the subject then i am

It sounds to me like you are a smoker of herb based on your preference for bongs so if the taste burnt weed and bong water was acceptable then you shouldn't stress about taste or nitpick about a little silicone seal. I believe the whole taste thing is blown out of proportion most of the time and this rumor has spread across the internet like black plague and seems to no end, it has come to the point where people are starting to refer to taste like a wine critic sipping on a fine Merlot. Besides if it tasted that good people would just chew on buds to savor the moment or exhale into a bag so that they can re-inhale again and again until every bit of vapor is gone so that they don't miss a bit of taste. I even did a little test once with a group of friends where we compared taste from my Supreme Vaporizer and my friends now broken VHW and had people take back to back hits from vapor milked bongs with their eyes closed and no one could tell the difference out of like 5 or 6 people.

It is absurd that someone would say they taste a tiny piece of stainless steel in the Herborizer when the PD has gained a cult status with the use of a much larger amount of stainless steel in the form of a large stack of washers, there would be negative comments if there was a problem. Keep in mind you are not sucking directly on the metal like a penny in your mouth but instead air is just flowing by the element, plus I am pretty sure you still use forks & spoons and have drank from plastic cups or used straws on occasion.



Another thing that indicates much of this taste craze is in the mind are the reviews of a model called the Aromed which uses a light bulb as a heater and people regard as a model with "the cleanest taste". I think it is because they view the light bulb as some ultimate clean experience which is hilarious because if they would actually see that there is is not all glass and has a metal sleeve around the light bulb getting heated and bulb resides in what else? ding, ding, ding...a light socket with no less than screws, plastic, a metal thermocouple, and even the metal terminals are exposed to heat directly in the air path, but what happens with the internet is one person says it is "Clean" and then people start to repeat this over and over without any real knowledge so that they can contribute and sound like they know what they are talking about, I am not saying it taste bad because of these things but it proves to some degree that if people see something in the air path then it gets stuck in their heads and paranoia sets in.

I'm sorry for the rant but I just wanted to get the taste issue out of your mind as a deciding factor in your vaporizer purchase since it is obvious that you just read some posts about taste, I assure you that if you buy any of the top models with positive reviews you will have no regrets and if these vapes tasted bad there would not be page after page of positive posts. To be safe just stay away from any model that you have to apply a continuous butane flame while inhaling or a model that uses an excessive amount of plastic like the Vapir N02.

 

[Robotee]

Cana-Vape!
GonG, fits 14mm and 19mm with provided adapter, and all glass air path.
Use mine with a HiSi S15, mmmm taste like candy.

 

[Nosferatu]

If you want all glass, and the best taste, then get the VHW like you thought. Second to it in my opinion is this.

http://lifesabervaporizer.com/index.php

The waterpipe adapter it comes with can fit alot of herb like I noticed you wanted.

Its all glass besides the ceramic element I believe, but the taste from that is negligible or even unnoticeable. I agree with stinkmeaner that the taste thing is blown out of proportion, unlesss your a hound dog or some sort of rodent, it shouldnt be a problem.

 

[FLskwat]

All glass, water-flitered... I'm sorry, but when I hear both terms together... I instantly think about the Aromed 4.0 or the Herborizer. You should check these out!
In fact, with no customization, or added parts, LSV and VHW will not have the water filtration part... though they are excellent and flavorful big hitters...
If not interested, you can check the Aquavape from Vaporfection... that little toy will add waterfiltration to any of your chosen vapes (balloon, whip, direct draw)