Please compare LSV and Herbalaire

[olivianewtonjohn]

I have read pages from both of their threads but I still am not sure how they directly compare. I have heard of the herbalaire being called a "mini cloud" and I have also heard from people that the LSV has some similarities the cloud.

 

[as]

i used to have a da buddha and have use the HA alot so will compare them for you

the HA is more just relax and vape fill it sit back relax whip/bag in hand and will only go to 200c
the DB is hard hitting but you have to stir after each hit its a 2 hand vape

for bong use i found the DB will hit very very hard but i did not like the whip as your looking at a LSV i would think bong rips will be even better
the HA did not do it for me in the vapor bonging department but i was using a stock HA held to a 14mm gong and i am a high temp vapist so 200 is a bit low for me

the HA dose bags and is very user friendly would be a vape you could give to a mate and they cant do any thing wrong (my mate had someone cough bong water into his HA and it still works fine) plus you can get a 5 bag attachment so 5 of you can have a bag each

the DB is whip only but you can get much thicker vapor from a DB then the HA it just not something i would let noobs use and they could combust or blow water on to the heater

they are both solid and i cant see them breaking
the lsv/db has glass that can be replaced
the HA can fly of the table and be no problem

 

[max]

HA is a dual mode model, which means versatile, while the LSV is a SSV/DBV design converted for water tool use. If you don't want to do bag fill, I'd get the LSV (or SSV or DBV for that matter). If you really intend to use the bag feature then the HA is the obvious choice. I've owned the SSV, DBV, and HA, and you can't go wrong with any of 'em, quality wise. You just need to decide on direct draw and big hits, or the ability to do either delivery system.

 

[clouded vision]

I have owned the HA, LSV & VXC. Honestly neither of them can really compare to the cloud but the Lsv comes much closer. If you want large hits through water definitely go with the LSV. I was never really impressed with the HA but that's just my preference. It is an excellent bag blower (especially with an upgraded pump) but I found whip hits were either too wispy or you had to press the load down with a screen which was a pita. The vapor production isn't horrible, about on par with a solo but if you want something closer to a cloud, you have to go with the LSV.

 

[MG23]

Having experience with the HerbalAire vs. the 7th Floor lineup I always have and always will continue to recommend the HerbalAire above the competition. In regard to extraction efficiency, versatility, durability, and convenience of use the HA cannot be topped.

IMO the 7th Floor offerings are rudimentary in comparison. They are still offering the same simple 'Hotbox-esque' laminar air flow from a soldering element and controlled by a rheostat. This setup offers very little precision or accuracy, minimal heat retention, and requires a powder fine grind with intermittent stirring for optimal results because of minimal heat penetration.

Also pertinent to the conversation:
A note for those that think visibility or 'cloudiness' is an accurate gauge of hit potency; it's not.
Visibility/thickness of vapor is caused by the condensation of vapor against the particulate in the airstream and lack of fresh air. The percentage of particulate and fresh air in the airstream are also the main contributing factors in the harshness of each hit.
Visibility of vapor is incidental.
When you grind or go to very high temperatures you allow far more particulate into the airstream; which appears to create 'thicker/bigger' hits, but in reality they are no more potent than the 'thinner' looking, less harsh clouds HA would have produced without grinding.

Knowing this fact, it becomes obvious as to why other vapes that require a fine grind and/or stirring throughout the session to extract all the actives appear to be 'cloudier' or 'heavier hitters', when in reality they are extracting less of the total actives per hit; producing weaker, yet cloudier/thicker/harsher vapor.

 

[clouded vision]

The fact that I could always get more hits out of the abv from my ha in my solo leads me to believe that it in fact can be topped when when it comes to extraction efficiency, by a portable none the less. This is not something I could ever do with the abv from my LSV, when a bowl was done, it was really done. Also, while I agree the heating element is similar to hot box vapes, the different heating covers designed by 7th floor allow you to pinpoint the stream of hot air. Also the lack of heat retention is a good thing because it will not continually cook the load in between hits.

 

[MG23]

The fact that I could always get more hits out of the abv from my ha in my solo leads me to believe that it in fact can be topped when when it comes to extraction efficiency, by a portable none the less.

The HA and Solo have been my two primary vapes for years now and I have had the exact opposite experience. The HA can always get whisps of vapor from finished Solo ABV, but the Solo can never get a whisp from finished HA ABV. Perhaps what you considered 'finished' in the HA was not truly finished, but had stopped producing much visible vapor so you assumed so?

This is not something I could ever do with the abv from my LSV, when a bowl was done, it was really done.

I have also used finished ABV from the DBV (basically the same as LSV and SSV) tightly packed in the HA at 400 many times; always resulting in further extraction.

Also, while I agree the heating element is similar to hot box vapes, the different heating covers designed by 7th floor allow you to pinpoint the stream of hot air.

With the HerbalAire the streams of hot air are focused over the entire load; this is what I mean by more total actives per hit. Because you aren't hitting merely a section of the pack at a time, you're hitting the entire load at once.

 

[as]

Just want to say the da Buddha will vape whole buds and can be used as a what I call a relax vape with a clip a eq domed screen and a lower temp say about 1/4-2/4 the way on you can then sit back vape one handed and not worry about combustion

IMO the DB/LSV will extract more as it will get to gratter temps

 

[MG23]

Just want to say the da Buddha will vape whole buds and can be used as a what I call a relax vape with a clip a eq domed screen and a lower temp say about 1/4-2/4 the way on you can then sit back vape one handed and not worry about combustion

I have tried full pieces with the DBV on multiple occasions; in my experience it simply does not have the heat penetration necessary to penetrate all the way through the core. It works, sure, but optimal? Not in my experience. You will get much more uniform and complete results by grinding and stirring.

With the HerbalAire these variables don't matter. It will fully extract from as little or as much as you can put in. No grinding, no stirring, just turn the knob to temp, pop a piece in, and hit it until its chocolate to the core.

Also, higher temps do not automatically mean greater extraction.

Again, just my experience.

 

[olivianewtonjohn]

Thank you everyone for the help, I appreciate the advice. @lazylathe has an extra part to bring my fakecloud back to life! So looks like this is not needed anymore. If down the road I come down to these two fine vapes I will be able to make a good decision for my needs.

Thanks everyone