hatfieldsmama
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lol noob
Discontinued Omicron Vaporizer for oils
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hatfieldsmama
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read the forum and read the wiki and stop comparing vaporizers to mp3 players
If you actually read the thread, you would know that I wasn't the one that first made the comparison.
"Read the forum" or "read the wiki" is far too broad of a statement to be of any help to me.
You give off the assumption that you seem to know how to fix my problem, otherwise you wouldn't be insinuating that I'm a noob. If I'm such a noob, then specifically tell me what I'm doing wrong instead of giving me worthless 'answers.'
OF
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I gotta agree, not a useful comment. I'm sorry that sort of stuff happens, but I'm sure it's an honest opinion at least. And not, I think, reflective of the Forum. We were all noobs at one point in time, most of us got help from others trying to help us understand along the way that helped, I hope you find that here as well. Please let us try?
Again, I'm still at a loss. 10 mg plus a hit of PG does not go unnoticed. That's many times heavier than normally happens which is also a puzzler. But as another poster said, it can't disappear except into you or onto the machine. I'm sure you appreciate that your experience is not typical.....it's going to take some head scratching on my part (at least) to have much useful to suggest.
As an off chance, how's your tolerance? How much concentrate do you normally do in a session? How do you do it (nail, swing?). I could well be in a different class than you....there are some serious oil users around here you know.
Good luck the answer has to be there somewhere. I'll post more if something worth considering comes up.
Thanks for the additional details....even if they don't fit in yet.
OF
OF
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New topic: Thread adapters. I just got a shipment of the adapters I ordered last weekend from:
https://www.crystaleliquid.com/xcart/product.php?productid=309&cat=27&page=1
Or maybe it's the ones backordered (AKA 'pre order'??) from:
http://www.electronic-cigz.com/510tom6ad.html
Both promised shipment last week, one sent me shipping info, the other did not. When it got here there were both cards in the package (meaning the rumor they were the same guys with two faces seem right), the adapters inside are not as pictured, or the ones I got from www.electronic-cigz.com last year. Nor, in fact do they work at all well for our use.
I've sent email trying to sort it out (did one order get dropped since the number of adapters and my address are the same even though placed to two different companies at two different times.....). Will advise on that one.
Meanwhile, they appear to be stainless steel, which I find surprising (chrome brass like the last ones should be far cheaper to make) and disappointing (I won't be able to solder to them). Fortunately I have one of the old ones and a few other options there. However, as I said they also don't work very well at all, too much restriction is added to the draw. To work with 'self switching' e-cigs (I assume) the input air is forced around a stuff, through narrow spots in whatever base you screw it to, up through the adapter past more silliness above before it can even get to the cart. The original has slots for vents on the top edge (very near the holes in the cart above the threads). Once I filed these slots in the first adapter it seems to work.
I'm about to take it to the garden for some serious testing. I hope you folks the appreciate the sacrifices I'm willing to make on your behalf? No need to thank me really......I'm sure you'd do the same without complaint were the situation reversed...
Bad news it looks like. Only one option through two vendors I can't really recommend at this point and you end up with something that might not do a good job for you without Mister File helping out.
More later when I know more.
OF
https://www.crystaleliquid.com/xcart/product.php?productid=309&cat=27&page=1
Or maybe it's the ones backordered (AKA 'pre order'??) from:
http://www.electronic-cigz.com/510tom6ad.html
Both promised shipment last week, one sent me shipping info, the other did not. When it got here there were both cards in the package (meaning the rumor they were the same guys with two faces seem right), the adapters inside are not as pictured, or the ones I got from www.electronic-cigz.com last year. Nor, in fact do they work at all well for our use.
I've sent email trying to sort it out (did one order get dropped since the number of adapters and my address are the same even though placed to two different companies at two different times.....). Will advise on that one.
Meanwhile, they appear to be stainless steel, which I find surprising (chrome brass like the last ones should be far cheaper to make) and disappointing (I won't be able to solder to them). Fortunately I have one of the old ones and a few other options there. However, as I said they also don't work very well at all, too much restriction is added to the draw. To work with 'self switching' e-cigs (I assume) the input air is forced around a stuff, through narrow spots in whatever base you screw it to, up through the adapter past more silliness above before it can even get to the cart. The original has slots for vents on the top edge (very near the holes in the cart above the threads). Once I filed these slots in the first adapter it seems to work.
I'm about to take it to the garden for some serious testing. I hope you folks the appreciate the sacrifices I'm willing to make on your behalf? No need to thank me really......I'm sure you'd do the same without complaint were the situation reversed...
Bad news it looks like. Only one option through two vendors I can't really recommend at this point and you end up with something that might not do a good job for you without Mister File helping out.
More later when I know more.
OF
I know it isn't reflective of the entire forum, after all, you guys were quick to help me before. I'm totally open to getting more help here.
OF said:
I have a pretty high tolerance so oils really work the best for me. I definitely noticed the PG hits at the time I was getting hits from it. After around the before mentioned 25 or so hits, I only got VERY VERY light clouds that wouldn't give even a virgin or beginner toker a high.
In my normal sessions I use a Da Buddha vaporizer. I'd say about 5 globs/drops of PG with a bowl of potent flowers gives me a good effect, about a 8/10.
OF
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Thanks for understanding. Not sure if we can help, but would like to give it a good shot at least. Thanks for hanging in there.
Now to business again. Wow, you're out of my league for sure. I'll vape 125 mg of top shelf bud (say 17%) more or less, in a session in MFLB, Iolite, Evolution or T1 and be set for a bit. That's 20 or so mg of THC. Given typical uptake numbers (or what I understand them to be) that's several mg available in the blood. In PG (at 80) we're talking 27.5 mg or 10 good sessions for me from the .300 grams of that 'first in' half gram. With your higher tolerance, that might be the issue? There's only so much THC in there, all we can do it meter it out.
Sounds to me like that bowl might have the better part of a gram of bud and a fair bit of a vial of PG in there?
I need to think a bit on this, and I have some serious testing to do, but I expect to have a thought or two more (if only 'yea, that' got to be it') for you a bit later.
Hang in there, there's got to be an answer in there.....
OF
havealight101
Norski
After the .75 wax was "gone" did you weigh it also? I've heard PG goes quick because its very viscous. But with the wax, other things can happen in the cart that would make it seem that its empty. Like we said, it has to go somewhere, so if it didn't go through top,lungs, and the leak wasn't a .5 leak, then it might be hiding out in there somewhere away from heaters(witch can happen).
Edit, slow post.... I agree w/OF, your "intake" may be more than we have even tested. Also, 2.4ohm or 1.5?
Edit, slow post.... I agree w/OF, your "intake" may be more than we have even tested. Also, 2.4ohm or 1.5?
The buds I'm vaping are usually around 24-28% THC/total cannabinoid levels. It's understandable if you think I'm lying about those numbers, but I've seen OG Kush test up to 32% in JEMM magazine. I don't know what 125 mg looks like, my scale only weighs in grams.
havealight, I'm sure it is going to weigh more than 7.9 grams. When I say 'gone' I don't literally mean it's 'gone,' I just mean it's gone to me since I can't reclaim it. Even if it was away from heaters shouldn't I still be able to reclaim it? I'm aware that it has to be somewhere still in the cartridge and it's definitely not getting burned, or else I'd taste and feel combustion.
OF
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Well, it seems at least a little likely all right..... Both cards being in the little plastic bag with the adapters is a clue....
However, I have a Sean and a Seoudeh from their respective companies both promising to ship separate orders (4/15 in one case with excellent email follow up, shipping info that tracked and showed up on time, and one from last weekend that has none of that (no automatic confirmation, shipping advice, ect.)).
If they are two different dealers, one is first rate as I see it, the other flat out gave me wrong information and seems to have dropped my order with them because I had one on "pre order" with the other company???
I just got an email from Seoudeh, kind of snippy, really, just the shipping number from what they want me to think is another company??
Then again, the parts I got work after you modify them. And although they're not stainless steel as described under 'color' on one site, nor do they look like either site's photo or work the way the old ones did they are it seems the only game in town.
Just back from testing, more to follow and all but thought I'd get a word in on this. I'm cool with that level, it's higher than any I've had, but I understand the concept, thanks. How much of a gram is the bowl? I'm going to try to quantify the PG load. .125 grams (125 mg) is 1/8
Anyway, it's an eighth of a gram, how big are your bowls? TIA.
OF
JoeKickass
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OF
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Yeah, me too. Thanks, I better go fix it....or maybe change all the grams to ounces and sit and hope???
OF
Well, in my Buddha I can only fill half of the bowl or else air flow becomes less efficient and combustion could arise. I just weighed out how much flowers I put in my bowl and it went to 0.2 grams before I was done adding all of the flowers (this is only with it half full). I would assume around 0.230 or something in total, though. Along with that I put the PG or whatever concentrate I have on me at the time in the bowl.
The PG is a very nice product, but it's expensive and I don't feel it lasts as long as a gram of full melt earwax does.
havealight, I weighed my cart and it came out to 8.0 grams. This is only 0.1 more from my last reading when my PG stopped vaporizing, indicating that the budder is indeed gone.
Maybe this product isn't for heavy tokers, but I'm still interested in trying out the Universal adapter when/if it comes out.
OF
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Thanks for the additional information, I'll run some numbers later, but I'm thinking there's a clue in here for us.
I agree about PG, it's pretty cool all right.
Say, you do know it comes in half grams, right? Not fair really to compare it to a gram of FM Wax. Or did you take that into account and mean that to be 'gram for gram'?
Thanks again, food for thought for sure.
OF
OF
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Yeah, I'm comparing it to 1/2 gram. I assumed it was a fair comparison because it's 93% pure which is considerably purer than the wax I usually get from my collective. Also, it runs for the same price as a gram of wax from my collective ($40).
Thanks for the help again.
Thanks, another piece for our puzzle. I think we're getting closer and closer. I know what you mean about the cost and I'm not going through it near that fast. Stuff is neat, though.
Glad to help if I can....not to mention I'm intrigued by stuff like this that 'doesn't fit' the model in my simple mind.
Good stuff to mull over for a bit.
OF
Yes, also why I have switched to filling with .5g and adding more before getting below .3g, I may be wrong but by not getting to low I feel like I keep the wick system from getting the waxes being left behind and I get more then 1 g through a cart. My point before was since I am losing .2g to a cart, I am paying $50g for very good oil and I am paying slightly more then $10 per cart, if I toss a cart after 1g has gone through I have actually spent $70+ to inhale $40 of product, in my mind that is not good math, however with the 1.5ohm carts I have been using this is not the case and the .2g left over is a non issue when the cart goes in the trash since I can get get more then 1g and great results from one cart.
PointBlank
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SD_haze
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running the heater for extended period of time with no wax/oil loaded.
dry wick+heat=dead wick
wet wick+heat=vapor!
OF
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Dry means not wet.
Don't run the heater without oil soaking it so it doesn't over heat. Like not running your car with no water in the radiator. Some guys get into trouble that way either through over enthusiastic anti taste efforts, trying to 'prime' poorly loaded carts, not letting things cool off enough and so on. Respect the point that liquid cools the heater normally.
I'm not even a big fan of 'test burns' (looking for the glow in a new cart) before loading. I measure the resistance of my carts (sometimes I don't even bother doing that much, both the defective carts I've had would have passed this test fine). The again, thinking back, I also got a prefill that had no heater at all in it, had they checked before filling that would have been avoided.
I've also taken to priming the carts on 3.0 Volts (although some of the 4 Ohm carts I've tried needed a bit more to get them going. But it's also my experience that if you load it right (pre heat the tube below the load before getting the load itself hot, so it slips into a hot tube as a mass and flows down in one shot pushing all the air out and hitting the wicks hot and flowing) and priming is usually not needed at all. Nor is it necessary to 'melt down' a partially used cart if there's no gap in the load to start with.
Anyway, run them more than a few seconds without oil and they will get hurt. Don't run 'em dry.
OF
OF
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OK, so figuring .230 grams of 25% bud, that's 80 mg of THC. Near as I can make it, four or five drops of PG is about 1/4 of the vial, a healthy bit that at 125 mg and 90% adds another 112 mg to the mix. Wow. That's not a session for me, more like a weekend.....and not an 'everyday' weekend, either. One worth remembering as likely as not, if I could that is.
I definitely agree with both your points on PG. It's pricey and it goes fast.....
I understand the dollars aspect, but right now I'm trying to work with the numbers to sort this out. By correcting everything to mgs of THC. So, if in this case, that gram of wax is more than 47% it's a better deal money wise, right?
In the end I think you've got it there. That session above (the spiked DBV bowl) is basically half the available PG load (500 minus 200 for 300 mg available). I don't doubt you only got a session or two out of it. Some serious session no doubt, far past what most Omicron users do I think.
I'd like to recommend you look into the DART from TV. It too might not be able to keep up with you, but I think it would stand a much better chance.
Thanks for helping me understand it. A fun topic, at least for me. Good luck in your quest for the right vape for you.
OF
kindbeats
Terps Up, Temps Down
Hey everyone,
I've been using my omicron v2 for almost a month now and am finally getting over the learning curve (it's an awesome piece of equipment!). Being an extremely heavy smoker, I've been looking forward to the Nail carts so I can get that big dab effect. My question is, would I be able to use a Thermovape Dart cart on my V2 (3.7 volts) until the Nail and Universe carts are available and would the effects be closer to a fat dab? I hope someone here can help me out!
I've been using my omicron v2 for almost a month now and am finally getting over the learning curve (it's an awesome piece of equipment!). Being an extremely heavy smoker, I've been looking forward to the Nail carts so I can get that big dab effect. My question is, would I be able to use a Thermovape Dart cart on my V2 (3.7 volts) until the Nail and Universe carts are available and would the effects be closer to a fat dab? I hope someone here can help me out!
Bob Loblaw
Astralnaut
because the v2 is regulated at 3.7 it won't push the dart lv. you would need a v1 or o-phos and an adapter. i believe the nail cart is scheduled to come out sometime this next month or so.Hey everyone,
I've been using my omicron v2 for almost a month now and am finally getting over the learning curve (it's an awesome piece of equipment!). Being an extremely heavy smoker, I've been looking forward to the Nail carts so I can get that big dab effect. My question is, would I be able to use a Thermovape Dart cart on my V2 (3.7 volts) until the Nail and Universe carts are available and would the effects be closer to a fat dab? I hope someone here can help me out!