Caligula
Maximus
Sounds like you didnt preoxidize the cart.
Discontinued Omicron Vaporizer for oils
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Sounds like you didnt preoxidize the cart.
OF
Well-Known Member
Bummer. Dollars to doughnuts the "thick white smoke billowing out the BOTTOM of the cart" were your seals going to "the Happy Hunting Ground" on a fiery chariot in a big hurry. Loading error. It's a whole lot easier to do with higher power carts, which is why folks are encouraged to master 2.4s rather than 'feel like trying higher power carts' in the eternal quest for bigger clouds.
Yes, of course lots of us have had this happen.......which is exactly the reason for cautioning the new guys?
You need concentrate in the wicks to keep this from happening. That cools the seals, otherwise the heat can 'get away from you' very fast (much faster than with 2.4s) Unless you're very very careful (that means you focus on loading and using the cart, not on bigger clouds). Bigger clouds come as a result if you stick to the drill.
Don't discount the taste issues in the second cart coming from contaminated reclaim.
More caution (and perhaps more experience) is suggested. Watch your loading. I think that got messed up and you killed it 'priming'.
I disagree. In fact, just the opposite. I think a 'dry burn' (basically 'pre oxidizing' a cart under not too carefully controlled conditions) is the problem. That's the way you get " thick white smoke billowing out the BOTTOM of the cart". Oxidizing the cart deals with minor taste issues. Issues that faded away on their own anyway. This is way different.
I remain convinced the best advice for new guys is "never dry burn for any reason".....and that includes 'pre oxidizing'. That questionable suggestion came to address a relatively minor (IMO) set of taste complaints blamed on dirty carts. LONG AGO. The manufacturing and inspection process changed, carts are now quite clean 'out of the box' and still the misused advice pops up.
I'll stick with 'loading error leading to abuse of heat trying to prime'. More caution/experience is the fix?
My advice, as just stated, is to avoid it unless you really know what you're doing.
Look it up, it's not even a real word.....
http://thesaurus.com/browse/preoxidize
OF
Caligula
Maximus
Ah good times.
ataxian
PALE BLUE DOT
Maybe you should teach me?
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No I did not pre-oxidize for the reason you mentioned: I was afraid it would get too hot without any material inside. That said, I don't know how it was load error. I melted the material down inside the cartridge under low heat, and without getting close to the bottom or seals, but to where I was confident the concentrate had reached the wicks. However, AS SOON as i started the first attempt to fire, it was pouring a nasty smoke out. There was no attempt to prime, because it was immediate. Again, I feel like I have "mastered the 2.4's" as much as that's possible (ran about 10+g's through about 4 different carts). I understand the concept of "feathering" the power button, and have not held down power longer than 4-5 seconds max with the 1.5 cart. i don't see how I could have done anything different.
Also- the 2nd cart is not using reclaim, it is using the other .5 of the original 1g. The reclaim from cart #1 has been set aside.
OF
Well-Known Member
It obviously didn't reach the wicks. I suspect it's your "under low heat" part. You need to control the heat, but you need lots.
This is probably the most common problem until guys sort it out. The center of the cart has to be hot first, hotter than the area with the concentrate, so it slides all the way down in one go.
Think about it.
With the higher power it only takes a second or two to trash it....as you found.
IMO the chances of a defective (badly contaminated) cart being the problem are about zero.
ataxian
PALE BLUE DOT
You scare the ^$%#&@ out of me.
I have 10 2.4 carts brand new in my inventory. So Glad!
Blonde Tripled VACUUMED Purged SHATTER = Time to load some carts!
Well the other 1.5 cart I have is AWESOME. It hits great, but I definitely see what everyone is saying. You barely need to touch the button. Like 2 secs max.
My material is more of taffy consistency. I would think a true shatter might be a little more difficult to prime, but I haven't tried myself.
I may well have ruined the first cart somehow, but Im not sure what could have caused it, and I did the same method for the 2nd and it's working fine.
Silver420Surfer
Downward spiral
I came into posession of a used omicron v2 thru a trade in the FC Classifieds awhile back. I already owned a Persei with the Herc attachment, so the omicron was for a backup I guess. Didn't use the original carts ever, but recently was fortunate enough to acquire a couple KISS carts for it. So today I figured was a good day to try them out. Fresh charged battery, Omicron v2, 2.4 KISS cart, some nice oil...no go. The omi, when power was engaged, flickered blue, the went to red on me. Uh-oh, I don't think that's good. Powered it off with 5 clicks of button, back on, same thing. Shut it off, took of top, screwed back together, same thing. Aargh!!
Took off KISS cart, wiped threading on omicron and threading on bottom of KISS cart, powere button engaged, tasty, big rip. Hooray!
I really like the weight and feel of the omicron v2, and the KISS carts pack quite the nice punch. It would be hard to lay down my Persei/Herc, but for a backup or times when I need more stealthiness, the Omicron/KISS cart combo will be my go to. Also, I feel I can share the Omicron with non-vaporists without any anxiety, something I won't do with my Persei/Herc. Ease of use is defintely yet another big plus for the Omi and KISS carts. Load and rip!!
After using the Omicron/KISS, makes me wonder how the e-go style vape pen companies can charge so much for rebranded gear.
Kudos to W9Tech for another great product!
Took off KISS cart, wiped threading on omicron and threading on bottom of KISS cart, powere button engaged, tasty, big rip. Hooray!
I really like the weight and feel of the omicron v2, and the KISS carts pack quite the nice punch. It would be hard to lay down my Persei/Herc, but for a backup or times when I need more stealthiness, the Omicron/KISS cart combo will be my go to. Also, I feel I can share the Omicron with non-vaporists without any anxiety, something I won't do with my Persei/Herc. Ease of use is defintely yet another big plus for the Omi and KISS carts. Load and rip!!
After using the Omicron/KISS, makes me wonder how the e-go style vape pen companies can charge so much for rebranded gear.
Kudos to W9Tech for another great product!
OF
Well-Known Member
I didn't think you did. That's not when it happened. It happened when you put power to it, the nasty 'smoke' was the seals making the ultimate sacrifice. You can usually 'get away' with it with the lower power (where have I said that recently?).
Exactly so. Much more powerful. Much easier to burn the oil and kill the taste. Easier to get clogs when you have more hot oil to deal with, easier to get leaks, easier to wreck seals, harder to load right.
I agree completely. The only two out and out failures I've had were taffies. They just don't do well at the 'melt quickly and flow freely' part of the foil test.
Which brings up a good point, did the OP ever do a foil test? The combination of difficult concentrates and new use of high power carts is a bad combination potentially......both are known issues alone, together.....
OF
Silver420Surfer
Downward spiral
Does ayone know if you can use a 3.7v 18650 in the Omicronv2 with a 2.0 KISS cart?
ataxian
PALE BLUE DOT
TAFFY?
Doesn't work for me at all!
I like CRUMBLES super blonde.
SHATTER I make myself works well too!
CO2 oil if not diluted with GLYCOL works.
(My last 2 grams I purchased gave me a horrible head ache!)
To many chefs messing with our medicine!
It's not about the $ it's about the quality!
Some of the SHATTERS from the dispensaries are doable I just have to baby them.
The foil test is a good practice to do especially if you are trusting someone else to make your medicine!
I read a book by someone in the BAY area that believes medical marijuana patients should use a OMICRON. He also spoke about making your own wax. That was 3 years ago!
Is it the INDIAN or the ARROW?
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OF
Well-Known Member
Not unless you use lots of Vaseline and push really really hard. 18650s are 18mm in diameter, 14650s (what Omicron is designed for) are 14mm. That will be a problem. By two 'silly little milimeters'. Anyone else remember the 101mm long cigarettes?
When it comes to power in Omicron your best bet is the shorter tube (or longer end cap) and AW brand IMR 14500s.
Regards.
OF
There is so much conflicting information in this thread, and around the omicron, it's impossible to keep up.
I was originally using a waxy/butter consistancy, and was told that it didn't work as well in the Omicrons. Then I was told that shatters were too solid in their natural state, so they wouldn't work well in the Omicron, so I made my last batch of BHO as a taffy consistancy, assuming that because it was somewhat soft at room temp, it would help it to continually melt down towards the wicks (and not become solid inside the cart like a shatter). Now you're saying that taffy isn't good, but shatter and wax are? I've been telling my friend with shatter that it probably wouldn't work in the omicron.
Regardless, the 1.5 that does work is awesome. Requires very little (if any) priming, and tastes pretty good as long as you don't heat too much (about 2-3 seconds max for me). I get big hits, and it doesn't appear to be burning through the oil too quickly (still have .4 left after using the past few days). I'm actually able to get well medicated off just 1-2 puffs, where with the 2.4 I would be there priming for a minute, then taking tiny hits for like 10 minutes before I felt anything.
ataxian
PALE BLUE DOT
I need to get a 1.5 and try it!
For the OMICRON I use CRUMBLED BLONDE HONEY COMB or CO2 OIL.
SHATTER I use a 5.0 cart and A PERSEI because its like a HUMMER on the Beaches of Baja!
The HERCULES SR74 will plow right through SHATTER.
The K.I.S.S. cart with 2 x1835 IMR AW'S is another why to handle SHATTER.
Sounds like you might need the "POWER"!
I like the OPHOS all the way up to the PERSEI!
Different devices for various material.
For me CONCENTRATES are practical medicine!
So for medication purposes patients need devices!
Yeah, too bad I don't have thousands of dollars to drop on medication devices. Plus I primarily use concentrates when I"m on the go, so the persei and even the Omicron were too large for me, which is why I opted for the Ophos. I've been extremely happy with it though.
ataxian
PALE BLUE DOT
The OPHOS is a great device!
I use CO2 oil in a 2.4 cart for it!
I really like how small it is.
CRUMBLE is easier to make that SHATTER. Well purged and your good to go. There has to be someone using SHATTER with the OPHOS?
Vitolo
Vaporist
Sometimes it is Information
Sometimes it is Opinion
and other times it is simply one user's experience.
OF
Well-Known Member