Discontinued Omicron Vaporizer for oils

FeelingFactory

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I will go ahead and get the shatter anyway. Actually I think Caligula told me the shatter is better in the e-skillet type thing and I can just run it through that. My head gets spinning
Aside from 1g of store bought wax, hard shatter is the only concentrate style I've used on the Omi. I briefly had a run with a 1.5 cart for 2-3 fills but then went back to 2.4 since they tasted better to me, & they do not provide any fuss compared to when I used the store bought wax. In fact, the wax in a 2.4 was the only time I experienced concentrate leaking out the bottom into the Omi socket. I've never really had to prime excessively after loading, & the shatter vaporizes nearly instantly after pressing the button from a cold start - at least in my experience.
 
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It's all about getting the wick saturated for the NEXT pull in those carts... Something I'm still trying to master (though this Lavender CO2 oil is pulling through like a champ!)
 

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Well it does because facts are facts. It matters who's first to market to a degree. What we like to do is keep it legit I don't care who lasts and who doesn't but distorting the facts like a dictator to make it seem someone is smarter then they appear to be is bs.

We just like the facts to stay facts and not claim some things that arnt true. It's a slap in the face to the people who actually made this industry possible.

How would you like to have your work being credited to someone else? I sure don't.

It is basically the same as having your neighbor win the best lawn award but him using your lawn to enter the contest.


G - i am not trying to push your buttons, I am just trying to say is all the consumer really cares about is the end product and we vote with our wallets. Everything else is just marketing.

W9/UPtech have proven that their products are usually best-in-class.
I was at a halloween party this weekend and my Persei/SR71 combo came out shining against a Pinnacle Pro. I felt like a proud father.
 

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G - i am not trying to push your buttons, I am just trying to say is all the consumer really cares about is the end product and we vote with our wallets. Everything else is just marketing.

W9/UPtech have proven that their products are usually best-in-class.
I was at a halloween party this weekend and my Persei/SR71 combo came out shining against a Pinnacle Pro. I felt like a proud father.

I know brotha please dont think you are pushing my buttons its just discussion, unfortunately this internet invention does not let us hear the tone of the convo.

Glad the Persei Herc performed as designed, but please believe me im not pissed just carrying a conversation.
 
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I know brotha please dont think you are pushing my buttons its just discussion, unfortunately this internet invention does not let us hear the tone of the convo.

Glad the Persei Herc performed as designed, but please believe me im not pissed just carrying a conversation.

Got it, and i agree there is no tone to decipher =)

Yea I think the major crux of all herb/flower vapes is the heat up time. But even with ample heat-up (about 2-3min) the Persei's hits were harder and people usually tapped out after their first one. I was just so happy to see it performing well in a party/pass-it-around situation. I was never that comfortable using the original carts because people's inexperience would usually cause a leak/clog or risk burning out the cartridge.

I also wish you had an affiliation program with referrals, cuz I cant stop showing this thing off to my friends and getting them on the bandwagon :p
 

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Aside from 1g of store bought wax, hard shatter is the only concentrate style I've used on the Omi. I briefly had a run with a 1.5 cart for 2-3 fills but then went back to 2.4 since they tasted better to me, & they do not provide any fuss compared to when I used the store bought wax. In fact, the wax in a 2.4 was the only time I experienced concentrate leaking out the bottom into the Omi socket. I've never really had to prime excessively after loading, & the shatter vaporizes nearly instantly after pressing the button from a cold start - at least in my experience.

this is my first shatter but it melts to my finger so it should be possible.
Just got my carts today. What do you mean prime? Saturating the wick like TCat is mentioning? Do I need to run a liquid concentrate in the cart first to prime or can I just start with straight bho? Can The Clear go straight in? It is pretty runny.
Thanks to OF for the pdf explanation. I need to look that over some more and guess I should hit a couple youtubes before I start filling.
Do I need to weigh these carts for filling? I have a triple beam but don't really want to pull it out lol
It is important to not run it dry though, right? Leave at least 0.2 g when refilling?
These carts don't cleaned with iso like the eskillet types, right? I have a liquid wax that has a bad taste. If I use it first will that contaminate the taste for anything subsequent? I am thinking I should use it as the last gram before the cart is retired. And these carts are getting toward the end of useful life when taste starts getting poor?
White plastic piece goes on top after filling?

To anyone: is there any reason to use gentlemen's carts now that I have these 2.4 omicrons? I got their new 1.5 g cart, smaller traditional cart, and tincture tank. Haven't used them and plan to return unless somebody thinks they are useful. Do they really waste your wax like you get less effect per gram? Looks easy to load and I like the simplicity but wasting product is not going to work. Could it be that it just give a huge hit?
 
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this is my first shatter but it melts to my finger so it should be possible.
Just got my carts today. What do you mean prime? Saturating the wick like TCat is mentioning? Do I need to run a liquid concentrate in the cart first to prime or can I just start with straight bho? Can The Clear go straight in? It is pretty runny.
Straight BHO works, the consistency (when warmed, not room temp) will determine how well it feeds into the wick. Some of the thicker BHO's (shatters, typically, but not always - i've had very good waxes feed slow as well) will "vape" off the coil quicker than it feeds. You have only one button, so in order to build up heat inside (on the warming coil to feed the wick) without much dry burning (no oil on the main coil that vapes), you have to basically tap (geez there's lots of parentheses) the button without holding (like morse code) so the inside can heat up without the main coil getting too hot.

That sounds complicated! Alternatively, you can modify your "burn" cycle by shorting it and pulsing. Instead of jamming the button down until the wick runs out of oil to feed the main coil (which then start glowing red which means it's really really really hot and bad things start happening really quick), try holding the button just for a few seconds at a time. The higher the voltage / lower the cart ohm-age the quicker you'll be tapping. Taps at 3.6v on a 2.4 cart are about 3-4 seconds for me while at 7.2v with a 5ohm cart it's less than a second.

The Nibbler X is a great tool for learning this, or a clear tube added between the cartridge and the drip tip so that you can see the vapor coming out. You'll learn that you want to hold it on just long enough for the thick white to come out, THEN GET OFF THAT BUTTON. This keeps the main coil from heating more than necessary and really preserves the taste of your oil!

You can press it again a second or two later (higher voltage, wait the extra second), so chain a few of these sequences together (put in mouth, start sucking, press a couple seconds [you'll have to find the sweet spot which varies from oil to oil and cart to cart - there is no "right" way!], let go a second or two, press a couple seconds, let go, press, let go, press, let go, etc., LET GO AND KEEP SUCKING to cool that cart back down.

Some oils don't necessarily need the cycle (like the CO2 I just loaded - it just keeps going!), but you'll still want to cycle the button to keep the main coil from getting too hot (giving a bad burnt taste that will stick around for the next few pulses) and keep the warming coil from getting the inside of the cart too hot (i.e. turn to runny juice that starts pooling out the bottom).

Just.. keep calm and vape!
Thanks to OF for the pdf explanation. I need to look that over some more and guess I should hit a couple youtubes before I start filling.
Do I need to weigh these carts for filling? I have a triple beam but don't really want to pull it out lol
It is important to not run it dry though, right? Leave at least 0.2 g when refilling?
You'll want to weight the cart dry so you have a reference. The 0.2g is a buffer that you can't help but leave - it gets "stuck" in a part it's neigh impossible to get the wick to pull it, but it is important that it is there (so someone said a while ago). I think Vitolo, Ataxian and perhaps others have a few posts on how to recover that oil, but it will destroy the cartridge (so might as well use it until it goes or starts tasting bad or not feeding well).
These carts don't cleaned with iso like the eskillet types, right? I have a liquid wax that has a bad taste. If I use it first will that contaminate the taste for anything subsequent? I am thinking I should use it as the last gram before the cart is retired. And these carts are getting toward the end of useful life when taste starts getting poor?
White plastic piece goes on top after filling?
They're disposable so they're not supposed to be re-used after a gram. But... I've cleaned a couple with iso, got some decent reclaim but it wasn't near the quality of the original oil and the cart was kinda funky afterwards.. I wouldn't recommend but others may have had more success.

To anyone: is there any reason to use gentlemen's carts now that I have these 2.4 omicrons? I got their new 1.5 g cart, smaller traditional cart, and tincture tank. Haven't used them and plan to return unless somebody thinks they are useful. Do they really waste your wax like you get less effect per gram? Looks easy to load and I like the simplicity but wasting product is not going to work. Could it be that it just give a huge hit?
They had a similar cartridge for a while but I believe it was filled with cotton, similar to the quad-coil cartomizer that W9 sells for ejuice.
 

530rasta

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can i ask your guys honest opinion?

are the carts on the omicron still questionable in terms of the inside inner working parts and the heat and the airpath ect?

i guess im still kinda offset by that old thermavape vid when the dude broke down the carts and pulled out a bunch of stuff.

i ask this bc i have a omicron in storage waiting for use, i just am kinda off set by the carts
 
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can i ask your guys honest opinion?

are the carts on the omicron still questionable in terms of the inside inner working parts and the heat and the airpath ect?

i guess im still kinda offset by that old thermavape vid when the dude broke down the carts and pulled out a bunch of stuff.

i ask this bc i have a omicron in storage waiting for use, i just am kinda off set by the carts

That video was a scare tactic. I assure you that you can start with the kiss cart if the silica is an issue. The kiss carts use no silica and no solder. it is a minimalist design and can be rebuild if you so desire.

 

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interesting, thanks!

whats the difference? i checked your site but theres no info on the cart i just see it for sale
 
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mollee

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Hi everyone!

I've got what is probably a bizarre question. But is it possible to be highly allergic to the butane in BHO?
 
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That's what I was afraid of. :(

I just had the fifth of a series of horrible allergy attacks which happen in the middle of the nite (and this makes sense, since I've been vaping BHO before bed).

I get really swollen eyes, congestion, sneezing and itchy eyes and nose, takes quite awhile to subside. The only new thing in my environment that I could possibly think of was the BHO. Just never occurred to me that I could be allergic to it. :shrug:

Any chance that c02 oils have any butane in them at all? This sucks.
 
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That's what I was afraid of. :(

I just had the fifth of a series of horrible allergy attacks which happen in the middle of the nite (and this makes sense, since I've been vaping BHO before bed).

I get really swollen eyes, congestion, sneezing and itchy eyes and nose, takes quite awhile to subside. The only new thing in my environment that I could possibly think of was the BHO. Just never occurred to me that I could be allergic to it. :shrug:

Any chance that c02 oils have any butane in them at all? This sucks.

Wax build up on your bronchial sacks might be causing this. I would suggest you try qwiso, or co2 to see if it helps.
 

530rasta

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so whats up on those new carts? are they ceramic? and is that wire ss steel?

im not sure i understand how it works by that picture
 
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Wax build up on your bronchial sacks might be causing this. I would suggest you try qwiso, or co2 to see if it helps.
Interesting.

I have some c02 oil, but will probably give myself a few days to recover from this latest bout to make sure I isolate that the BHO is the culprit. But the timing is pointing to a severe allergy to it.

Bummer. But glad there are alternatives (plus the c02 oil works best w/the Omi, IMHO)
 
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so whats up on those new carts? are they ceramic? and is that wire ss steel?

im not sure i understand how it works by that picture

The Kiss carts are a LAyG system, meaning Load As You Go. Load little at a time vaporize and load more.

The ultimate kit is the Hercules SR 71 where we got rid of all wires, solders, and silica wicks, it is 100% user serviceable, and 100% recoverable. Meaning you can recover all your oils in case of any issues.


Interesting.

I have some c02 oil, but will probably give myself a few days to recover from this latest bout to make sure I isolate that the BHO is the culprit. But the timing is pointing to a severe allergy to it.

Bummer. But glad there are alternatives (plus the c02 oil works best w/the Omi, IMHO)


Im no doctor please do not take my opinion as medical advice, i would see a doctor, but the sound of things its not the butane your allergic to its the wax buildup.
 
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@THC - how can I be sure there are no similar waxes in the c02 or qwiso extracts? Or is it really possible to know?

Thanks!!
 

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what is the sr71 made of?

Stainless Steel, Ceramic, and PTFE. Brass fittings for the connection points and Tungsten.

@THC - how can I be sure there are no similar waxes in the c02 or qwiso extracts? Or is it really possible to know?

Thanks!!

Alcohol does not extract waxes not sure about Co2, proper Co2 should be wax free me thinks. That is why i stay away from BHO i start sneezing and runny nose when i use it.
 
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@THC Well, I am glad to hear that someone else has similar allergic reactions to BHO (although not great for you!).

I'll give it a few days to die down, then try some c02 oil.

Thanks for the info - I was prepared to get a total work over by an allergic specialist (still might, if it doesn't get better).

Really appreciate your input!!
 
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@Space Case hows all that working out for you?
was a little bit messier inside the filler tool than I expected. did get it loaded and on my ego battery. I can feel heat inside the cart from the battery but no vapor is produced. not sure what is wrong. looks like it is going to be gentleman's if this just ate a gram of wax
Any chance that c02 oils have any butane in them at all? This sucks.

you never know what you are getting. it might not even be real co2 extract often.
I have had bad wax that gave my palpitations and almost fainted. it is so hard to tell what is in there
 
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was a little bit messier inside the filler tool than I expected. did get it loaded and on my ego battery. I can feel heat inside the cart from the battery but no vapor is produced. not sure what is wrong


Are you still having an issue?
 
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