Silvercloud538
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Dr G ,when ya say will '"not"' hold up to '"extended"' use
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please clarify 
'"extended"' use ?
~ Does this mean Hercules needs more juice to alleviate electronics burnout
Discontinued Omicron Vaporizer for oils
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Dr G ,when ya say will '"not"' hold up to '"extended"' use
please clarify '"extended"' use ?
~ Does this mean Hercules needs more juice to alleviate electronics burnout
OF
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Dr G ,when ya say will '"not"' hold up to '"extended"' use
'"extended"' use ?
electronics burnout
Bummer. My guess is the losses (voltage drop) in the O-Phos cause heat build up over time that can get too high. Because of the nature of the beast, on times are probably way longer than normally happens with Omicron carts. When electronics of the type used in O-Phos get too hot one of the unfortunate issues that can crop up is leakage currents (which double every 7 degrees C) can get high enough so the unit doesn't actually switch completely off. Unfortunately in such cases heat in the electronics becomes higher than the load (the cart) rather than the other way around as is normal. This can lead to a failure mode called "thermal run away".
Omicron and Persei may use better protected circuits but also probably have better 'heat sinking' due to their heavy aluminum bodies (stainless is a lousy heat conductor really).
Just a guess, but I'll give you odds.....
OF
tharealmclovin
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Use the half off code.
The Omicron HVD with Herc is not an option, the batteries crap out to early and are to small to power it.
Agent S.S. Sands
Member
Well, crap !!! That means the costly upgrade to HVD ends up being worthless as tits on a duck!
well not so, there is something else i want to try but its not cost effective but i want to try it. Give me 2 weeks i need to order the batteries and they need to come soon as i have it i will let you know.
kindbeats
Terps Up, Temps Down
Yeah, at this point I'd rather just trade in my Omicron v2 and HVD for a Persei. Is that offer still on the table G?
Edit: Crap, is that upgrade only available for chrome perseis? If so, that truly sucks because I really dig the black and have no interest in a chrome one.
HVD is in production again, and we should have all replacements ready by end of the month.
As for a metal version of the Bender well we have two choises. Hercules herbal setup for 3.7v and Universe Herb Chamber for 7.4v Persei.
As for a metal version of the Bender well we have two choises. Hercules herbal setup for 3.7v and Universe Herb Chamber for 7.4v Persei.
Agent S.S. Sands
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That upgrade is for trade-ins of non-D9V products only, I believe.
After spending nearly $400 on an Omi v1, v2, HVD, and v2.5, I expected the future expansion components to work with flowers, oils and melts on my unit.
I can't afford a Persei, that's why I chose an Omicron in the first place. I actually couldn't afford the Omi either, I SACRIFICED a lot to save for it.
ok so here it is once again.
I never promised the Hercules for oil would work on the Omicron.
The Only promise i have made is that i would get a herb cartridge for the Omicron and i have. The Hercules works as a herb cart for the Omicron but will not do oils. the 1701's will do oil for the Omicron, it has no silica wick in there and a better heater.
It is not my fault that we cant bend the laws of physics to get the hercules to work for the Omicron. There is just no way its going to happen.
HVD allows you to use 5 ohm carts and gave people the mini Omicron capability, it was never made to work with the Hercules. Once again we never promised the HVD to work with the Hercules to sell it.
In Fact the only thing we promised is that we will get a herb Chamber for the Omicron. Thats done and going into production in a week or two max.
I never promised the Hercules for oil would work on the Omicron.
The Only promise i have made is that i would get a herb cartridge for the Omicron and i have. The Hercules works as a herb cart for the Omicron but will not do oils. the 1701's will do oil for the Omicron, it has no silica wick in there and a better heater.
It is not my fault that we cant bend the laws of physics to get the hercules to work for the Omicron. There is just no way its going to happen.
HVD allows you to use 5 ohm carts and gave people the mini Omicron capability, it was never made to work with the Hercules. Once again we never promised the HVD to work with the Hercules to sell it.
In Fact the only thing we promised is that we will get a herb Chamber for the Omicron. Thats done and going into production in a week or two max.
kindbeats
Terps Up, Temps Down
My problem isn't with the Hercules not doing oil on the Omicron. It's the fact that before I ordered my HVD, I specifically asked if it would allow the v2 to have all of the capabilities of the Persei minus the dual cartridge option and the answer I received here on FC was "yes". That was the only reason I purchased the HVD upgrade. But so far, it seems like all of the awesome attachments coming out for 7.4v are for the Persei only (Bender, Hammer, Iris, etc.). Yes, the HVD allowed for a mini Omi, but the HVD top isn't even able to be utilized with the mini configuration. So basically, the only real advantage that the HVD top gives one is the ability to use a higher ohm cart.
Can I trade in my v2 and HD towards a Persei? I love THC Scientific and everything you do for the community, but as I've mentioned before, I just feel like the majority of the developments have been aimed at the Persei owners (and I don't think I'm alone on that). Even things that tons of Omi owners like myself were looking forward to seem to have been abandoned or fallen to the wayside (load as you go/nail cart, dual use tanks, fill tool-less carts, etc).
You guys are easily number one in the game to me and I wouldn't consider going to any other company. I do however, think it's time for me to pick up the correct device for me, which seems to be a Persei. I'm just bummed because I would have spent the dough on a Persei from the beginning had I known how much more it would be focused on.
Agent S.S. Sands
Member
I never said you did.
Okay. Wasn't the Universe expected to accomplish all of the above mentioned substances?THC SCIENTIFIC said:
You're going to have to bend the laws of physics if you expect a Universe cart to do whatever a Hercules won't.THC SCIENTIFIC said:
5 ohm carts at 7.4 are no better than a 2.4 ohm with the v2.5 head. Just a v2.5 head and a mini tube can accomplish the mini Omi.THC SCIENTIFIC said:
Once again, I never claimed you did.THC SCIENTIFIC said:
THC SCIENTIFIC said:
THC SCIENTIFIC said:
Don't get me wrong, I love my Omi. I use it dozens of times per day nearly every day and probably more than any other device I own.
OF
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I'm not so sure about the first statement. It depends on a lot of things, efficiency, load size, heat sinking and so on. The Hercules cart (as I understand it) is a single value, dropping the voltage to half cuts the power to 1/4. Universe may well come in low and high resistance values and avoid this problem?
For sure the second statement is not accurate. Yes, doubling the resistance when you double the voltage keeps the current the same but the voltage is still doubled. This means the power (product of voltage and current) is also doubled. 2.4s give you about 5.5 Watts at 3.7, 5 Ohmers give you about 11 Watts at 7.4 Volt. A huge 'improvement'.
OF
The universe does not work with the omicron that is why we made the herc for the omicron, there is no way the universe can work at 3.7v
Sorry guys just a little angry that we can't get the LCD tops to work correctly.
Sorry guys just a little angry that we can't get the LCD tops to work correctly.
Agent S.S. Sands
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OF
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Then something else is wrong, the formula is correct, Volts times Amps is Watts, the power is doubled. Note the chart at the bottom:
http://www.planetvape.ca/vaporizer-extract-cartridge-single.html
And a detail, FWIW, V2.5 is regulated, same as 2.0. In fact my V2.0 is .02 Volts higher, trivial as that is.
OF
Agent S.S. Sands
Member
I just tried the same 2.4 cart with the same wax on the HVD head 3.7 with both the 14650 and the single mini mode 14250.
The 5.0 cart with the HVD at 7.4 same wax.
And finally the same 2.4 cart above with the v2.5 head, 14650 and 14250 mini
You can not tell the difference in vapor production.
OF
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I don't doubt you a bit. I'm just saying there's something other than 'identical performance by design' going on. The numbers I gave you are real. The chart is real, it came from THC originally I believe?
HVD is not regulated, BTW, you should see a bit over 20% more power with it over 2.5 with a real fresh charge. Changing to the AW IMR 14500 will add another 30% more to whatever you're doing, give of take. 50% for both changes (AW battery with a fresh charge and HVD top).
If you're not seeing more production perhaps it's because the feed can't deliver concentrate fast enough? Whatever, it's not because the power is the same, it's not. I assume the smaller batteries need charging more often? There's a clue there.
OF
Agent S.S. Sands
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MaxVapor
The Professor
I wonder if the same problem would be true using the HVD with IMR 14500 bats.
I also wonder (and I don't really expect an answer since not even Gary can answer this yet) if the AC passthrough for the Omicron combined with an HVD head will allow for use of the Hercules at 7.4 (or Bender/Universe for that matter).
I for one will hold out that hope so I can keep the form factor of the Omi which I love.
OF
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Thanks for the additional information, which confirms that the power is indeed higher. "Energy Density" (the amount of energy that can be stored in a given volume) is basically the same here, the same number of Wh of power is available in either case (3.7 or 7.4 Volts). If it was used at the same rate, the battery life times would be the same.
Once more, I can't do more that wonder why, but the power available is higher. I found it so (much higher production and 'burnt oil' followed by leaks) and I believe 'everyone else' experiences the same?
Gentle readers, do others of you find this happening? That is do 2.4 Ohm carts at 3.7 Volts run the same as 5 Ohms at 7.4 for you?
TIA one and all.
You'd need a longer tube, of course, but I believe what you suggest might turn the trick. Battery life would be short, but glorious? I would predict something like 2/3 what you'd get from Persei and it's pair of 18350s? The tube would have to be what, about 1.5 inches longer? Some of the nifty size factor would be lost, but some might still exist?
Interesting idea.
OF