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OEM Arizer Air Replacement Batteries
- Thread starter CentiZen
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Edward Hyde
Well-Known Member
Is there a possibility that we get "superbatteries" for arizer airat some point?(i mean something like the solo battery of yours)
Kief
Medicated
The super thing about his Solo batteries was only the higher capacity. The Air needs a high-drain battery to help make up for the lower voltage of only using one cell vs the Solo's 2 cells. This cell has some unique specs that you may find something close to, but with little to no advantage and risk to your warranty. CentiZen did the research and some testing on this unique cell, then decided that OEM was the best option for this application. I'm sure that higher capacity cells with the same specs will eventually be available, but that will probably take some time.
In short... Arizer did a good job of picking a "super-battery" for the Air.
In short... Arizer did a good job of picking a "super-battery" for the Air.
OF
Well-Known Member
Agreed. Not that you wouldn't expect them to make a very solid choice, but being 'CentiZen approved' makes it a lock for me.
CentiZen is good, CentiZen is wise......and CentiZen is looking out for us. He could have made a stack here by selling us 'better' batteries....... I trust the man, and recommend his recommendations.
OF
fc twente bag
Active Member
CentiZen, I ordered four batteries from yourself and I am yet to received them, I have sent you two messages through the contact form on your website with no reply, please help!
Well, I have to say that means a lot to me coming from someone I respect as much as you! Thanks for the kind words.
I'm sorry for the troubles man! I'm going to throw you a PM and we can figure out whats going on.
OF
Well-Known Member
Naw, not a bit of it. Just calling it like I see it. The service you provide the group is a key (if not always recognized) resource of great value. It provides a solid foundation.
You're quite welcome, of course, but IMO you earned it through honesty and willingness to share your experience. Serious contributions in a world sometimes filled with such key information as 'I finally decided to pull the trigger on this one'.........
One thing sure, there's room for plenty more like you, but precious few applicants. We'll have to make do with the volunteers that answer the call for now.
Thanks once again, and please keep it up.
Regards,
OF
fc twente bag
Active Member
Could you please check your pm's asap CentiZen
Hey there guys, sorry for dropping off the face of the earth there - I'm OK but have just been ridiculously busy! I've brought on some new staff who have been helping me keep on top of orders, but I haven't had the chance to log in to check FC for a little while. @lookhigh, did you ever get that confirmation mail?
Frank Reynolds
Well-Known Member
Any news on when these will be in stock again? I'll be using some LG HE2 while I wait.
karotene
Well-Known Member
Hello Community. I had to register here to ask some important questions:
Has Arizer released any official figure of the maximum current/wattage of the Air?
CentiZen claims the Air consumes 35 watts, yet he sells BAK B18650CC 18650s with a maximum rated power of 22.2 watts (6A), according to this site: http://dampfakkus.de/akkutest.php?id=112&a=5
That would mean the Air can draw 58% more current than the battery's rated spec - a potentially dangerous condition - the kind that e-cigarette vendors and communities have been warning users about for years.
In contradiction to this, user OF wrote that the Air uses 1/3 of that power: "I just measured mine, the battery is 3.8 Volts, it's drawing 2.7 Amps peak (cold). 3.8 times 2.7.....10.7 Watts." If that is true, then the Air is not a high-power device as CentiZen claims and the vast majority of 18650 batteries on the market, from reputable vendors (6-30 amperes), have more than twice the needed rated power to safely drive the Air.
Based on the above information, it appears that either CentiZen is selling dangerously underpowered batteries, or his claims about the power draw of the Air are false. In addition, the BAK B18650CC he sells seems to be rated at 6 amperes, which is not high power as he claims, but ranks at the low end of the power range for commercially available e-cigarette 18650 batteries.
I didn't come here to point fingers or cast anyone in a bad light, but I was surprised nobody on this forum has noticed these glaring inconsistencies yet and I felt it's my responsibility to make members here aware of them.
Would CentiZen care to take a position on this?
Has Arizer released any official figure of the maximum current/wattage of the Air?
CentiZen claims the Air consumes 35 watts, yet he sells BAK B18650CC 18650s with a maximum rated power of 22.2 watts (6A), according to this site: http://dampfakkus.de/akkutest.php?id=112&a=5
That would mean the Air can draw 58% more current than the battery's rated spec - a potentially dangerous condition - the kind that e-cigarette vendors and communities have been warning users about for years.
In contradiction to this, user OF wrote that the Air uses 1/3 of that power: "I just measured mine, the battery is 3.8 Volts, it's drawing 2.7 Amps peak (cold). 3.8 times 2.7.....10.7 Watts." If that is true, then the Air is not a high-power device as CentiZen claims and the vast majority of 18650 batteries on the market, from reputable vendors (6-30 amperes), have more than twice the needed rated power to safely drive the Air.
Based on the above information, it appears that either CentiZen is selling dangerously underpowered batteries, or his claims about the power draw of the Air are false. In addition, the BAK B18650CC he sells seems to be rated at 6 amperes, which is not high power as he claims, but ranks at the low end of the power range for commercially available e-cigarette 18650 batteries.
I didn't come here to point fingers or cast anyone in a bad light, but I was surprised nobody on this forum has noticed these glaring inconsistencies yet and I felt it's my responsibility to make members here aware of them.
Would CentiZen care to take a position on this?
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karotene
Well-Known Member
Doesn't matter: If the Air actually draws 35W and the datasheet I found on the BAK is correct, then Arizer is also selling a dangerously underpowered battery and needs to switch to a 10A (37W) rated battery immediately.
It's more likely that this 35W number from CentiZen is wrong and the BAK really is safe, but we need to be sure.
CentiZen, where did you get this 35W figure from?
Can someone else with an Air measure the power draw?
karotene
Well-Known Member
Just took delivery of an Arizer Air today.
The printing on the battery reads H18650CC, not B18650CC (the 22W, 6A cell) as another user implied here: http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/oem-arizer-air-replacement-batteries.17329/page-2#post-766411
So I fired-up the old search engine and found that the H18650CC is rated at 5C continuous discharge rate. At 2200mAh that means it can provide 11A continuous current, or 40.7Watts of power @ 3.7V.
If CentiZen is selling the H and not the B, then all is well. Sorry for the confusion folks!
http://victpower.en.alibaba.com/pro...h_3_7V_battery_cell.html?_escaped_fragment_=#!
FOB Price: US $0.99 - 1.16 / Piece
The printing on the battery reads H18650CC, not B18650CC (the 22W, 6A cell) as another user implied here: http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/oem-arizer-air-replacement-batteries.17329/page-2#post-766411
So I fired-up the old search engine and found that the H18650CC is rated at 5C continuous discharge rate. At 2200mAh that means it can provide 11A continuous current, or 40.7Watts of power @ 3.7V.
If CentiZen is selling the H and not the B, then all is well. Sorry for the confusion folks!
http://victpower.en.alibaba.com/pro...h_3_7V_battery_cell.html?_escaped_fragment_=#!
FOB Price: US $0.99 - 1.16 / Piece
- Brand Name: Bak
- Rechargeable: Yes
- Use: Camera
- Battery name: 18650 rechargeable lithium battery BAK H18650CC 2200mah 3.7V
- Type: 18650 rechargeable lithium battery
- Model No.: BAK H18650CC 2200mah
- Size: 18.4*65.0mm
- MOQ: 200PCS
- Payment terms: T/T, ESCROW, WU, Credit card
- Max. discharge current:: 5C
- Lead time: 2 days
- Warranty: 1 year
- Weight: approx.45g
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OF
Well-Known Member
No, he did not make that claim (Air draws 35 Watts), he was correcting someone who said it was 35 Amps:
"Minor correction here - the Air would be consuming in the order of 35 Watts. 35 amps would be incredible."
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/oem-arizer-air-replacement-batteries.17329/#post-
"In the order of". And 35 is definitely closer to right than 126. In reality, Air has the same heater (just different voltage) as Solo. Solo uses two 18650 in series for a nominal 7.2 Volts so needs half the current for the same power. Maximum (worst case) current I've ever seen on Solo is a shade over 2.0 Amps (2.25 covers it) so 4 Amps should be fine, 6 is plenty. He knows what he's doing. He knows what's safe and is selling the exact battery used as OEM? Is Arixer dangerous as well?
IMO you owe the man an apology.
I like it that you quote me WRT data, I try to be reliable, but that seems low. Can you please point to the place I said Air was 2.7 Amps? TIA
OF
olivianewtonjohn
Well-Known Member
you forgot to mention giving a link to likely fake batteries on alibaba (where I would most certainly not buy a battery from lol)private4444
New Member
OP, your link doesn't work - are you still selling these, or do you know anyone who is?