Noob question, Im clearly using concentrates wrong :(

[ice005]

Hi Guys,

Im currently using a Nyx on a Pico Mod but I think it would apply to anyone thats never used dabs, dab rigs, concentrate (of any type) or concentrate pens before...

I was told that concentrates should be about 4x stronger than herb...but Im clearly inhaling wrong or doing something wrong that I'm not getting any lift at all.

Here's my 1st try: http://imgur.com/uxJreLj

Here's my 2nd try: http://imgur.com/dsnSDf5 (with more stuff and higher temp)

here's the stuff that was stuck on the sides of the unit and the cap despite it being completely upright.
http://imgur.com/jb9SJqZ

so is there such a thing as inhaling too fast with concentrates? is there a "correct" way? I followed people on Reddit's advice regarding "warming up" the wax for 1-2 seconds, then start breathing in after that for 4-8 seconds while pulsing the power button.... then inhaling again while the coil isn't being heated as a "cooling draw".

Im finding that I'm just not getting anything remotely close to inhaling from my volcano.

 

[Grim Chiclets]

It looks to me like you're right; in

that you're inhaling way too fast! It seems the oil is melting, pooling in the middle, and then being splattered all over the chamber by too much air too quickly- as the air (if i'm not mistaken) comes from under the donut.
If you've ever used an older eGo e-cig or one of those el-cheapo ones, or even just an RTA from before subohm became popular; think of it like that!

Another thing I've just thought of is to mate the vape with glass or a tube/whip somehow, so you can experiment with draw speed vs. vapor density

Keep in mind I don't do concentrates often- as I prefer dry herb- so I'm by no means as knowledgeable as some of the folks 'round here

edit- it also occurs to me that you could also just heat up the chamber while it's open and observe when the oil starts to melt, and then boil a little bit- and then give it a gentle draw while trying the same type of hit

 

[ice005]

It looks to me like you're right; in

that you're inhaling way too fast! It seems the oil is melting, pooling in the middle, and then being splattered all over the chamber by too much air too quickly- as the air (if i'm not mistaken) comes from under the donut.

yup air comes from underneath....im inhaling it the way I would a volcano bag...I also tried drawing slow but that just felt even more wrong

If you've ever used an older eGo e-cig or one of those el-cheapo ones, or even just an RTA from before subohm became popular; think of it like that!

sadly no, never used an eGo or e-Cig before this

edit- it also occurs to me that you could also just heat up the chamber while it's open and observe when the oil starts to melt, and then boil a little bit- and then give it a gentle draw while trying the same type of hit

I have it open to 'pre melt' the wax.. then I close it when its liquidy. put the cap on, then the mouthpiece, press power button 2 seconds, start to draw after that till 4-6 seconds, then release. that air valve still baffles me but its supposedly to add more air/clouds?

It can't be normal for me to go through 1/2 to 3/4 of a gram of wax and not get even as medicated with me doing only 2 bags of the volcano (dry herb)

 

[herbivore21]

It is likely you are not getting enough juice to the donut. Remember that ceramic donut atomizers always take longer to warm up to proper temp. I have never gotten good results with a ceramic donut without a contemporary VV mod capable of handling sub-ohm resistance. Even then, you'll probably never get a good hit as quickly with your ceramic donut as with a nail or even a ceramic wick/coil atomizer.

 

[ice005]

It is likely you are not getting enough juice to the donut. Remember that ceramic donut atomizers always take longer to warm up to proper temp. I have never gotten good results with a ceramic donut without a contemporary VV mod capable of handling sub-ohm resistance.

oh... I was trying to be careful as youtube/ reddit stories of "flooding" the tank? Would your advice be before putting back the cap/ mouthpiece, to see all the wax is melted? I tried that and it started smoking but still not melting some of the wax that I loaded a bit thicker. on some of the youtube videos the people sometimes wait till smoke can be seen before smoking... wouldn't this be wasting product?

what is a contemporary W mod? I think the eLeaf PICO was supposed to be sub ohm...and I know I can control the watts...is that what you meant?

Even then, you'll probably never get a good hit as quickly with your ceramic donut as with a nail or even a ceramic wick/coil atomizer.

I guess fortunately (on one hand) Ive never tried with a nail, or even a wick/coil... I went from never having tried cannabis, to getting my medical license, to the volcano... My reason for trying concentrates was to avoid having to do 4-6 bags of the volcano to feel properly medicated

 

[Grim Chiclets]

I think @herbivore21 meant V V or Variable Voltage haha
I would assume you have better control using wattage mode, though; no?

 

[ice005]

I think @herbivore21 meant V V or Variable Voltage haha
I would assume you have better control using wattage mode, though; no?

whats the difference between variable voltage and wattage?

I just checked the manual and it doesn't saw voltage (just watts, temperature, ohms, )

And as for better control I just follow what people said on Reddit, FC, or YouTube and they all said to use watts vs temp

 

[Baron23]

whats the difference between variable voltage and wattage?

I just checked the manual and it doesn't saw voltage (just watts, temperature, ohms, )

And as for better control I just follow what people said on Reddit, FC, or YouTube and they all said to use watts vs temp

Amperage x voltage = wattage. So, if amperage is held steady (and on your box mods this is essentially true) then voltage and wattage vary together. So, on variable voltage mods you will see like 3.5, 4.0, etc type values for voltage. You get the same voltage from a specific wattage if you can set wattage. Wattage values on box mods with ceramic heating elements tend to be in the 12-14 watt range maybe?

Melting it with cap open is right IMO. Let some of the bubbles get out of it by pulsing power a bit with the cap off, then cap and hit it. When I first saw your pics, my first thought on all of the reclaim on the cap was that you banged with too much power right out of the gate.

But you are saying that you aren't getting any effects? Do you get visible vapor? I have never used the Yocan but if you are getting nice vapor out of it, then I can't really speculate on why it isn't getting you baked. I presume you have used this exact concentrate in another type of device and did indeed get high? That is, you are sure of the quality of the concentrates, yeah?

 

[Grim Chiclets]

But you are saying that you aren't getting any effects? Do you get visible vapor? I have never used the Yocan but if you are getting nice vapor out of it, then I can't really speculate on why it isn't getting you baked. I presume you have used this exact concentrate in another type of device and did indeed get high? That is, you are sure of the quality of the concentrates, yeah?

Completely forgot to ask this...
Also kinda funny- I tried to like your post twice @Baron23

 

[ice005]

ut you are saying that you aren't getting any effects? Do you get visible vapor? I have never used the Yocan but if you are getting nice vapor out of it, then I can't really speculate on why it isn't getting you baked. I presume you have used this exact concentrate in another type of device and did indeed get high? That is, you are sure of the quality of the concentrates, yeah?

Thank you for that explanation that clears up that terminology as I've never used a mod before!

As for trying the concentrate in another method sadly no I haven't The Yocan and the Pico are my first experience EVER with any type of concentrate. I've tried the herb version of the wax and if definitely hit harder.

As for visible vapour/cloud yup it definitely does produce it when I exhale... but overall I don't get the same heady / body rel feeling as doing 2-6 bags of the volcano on herb


How hard do you guys inhale? I don't know how gentle to inhale and still get vapour ... given apparently me inhaling like I'm inhaling from a perc or volcano bag is wrong

 

[flatulentz]

From the pictures it sure looks like the concentrate has been successfully vaporized. Is there any chance this batch of concentrate is bad?

 

[ice005]

From the pictures it sure looks like the concentrate has been successfully vaporized. Is there any chance this batch of concentrate is bad?

How would I be able to tell if the batch is bad? It tasted good first inhale, tasted like it does when I do dry herb... how can one tell if it had gone bad?

 

[TeeJay1952]

Not gone bad but bad. Try other oil from another source.

 

[ice005]

Not gone bad but bad. Try other oil from another source.

umm noob question again... I have some shatter that I'm getting in a few days...should shatter and wax impact someone the same way?

 

[TeeJay1952]

It is the wild West out there. You must make your own decisions on how to go further. There is Boone's Farm and Ripple and there is 1978 Chateau De Bullshit and many, Many, MANY real fine wines. I can tell you what happened to me when I did something but can't see what you are getting. I have had good shatter and bad (solvents) and shatter turn to wax after a while.
This is a self prescribing drug that effects folks in various manners.

 

[flatulentz]

How would I be able to tell if the batch is bad? It tasted good first inhale, tasted like it does when I do dry herb... how can one tell if it had gone bad?

What I meant was, could it have low/no THC content because of errors in the extraction process. Like is it known good sh!t from a reliable source like a dispensary or is it from some sketchy dude's garden shed. Decay/spoilage isn't usually an issue unless it was poorly made.

 

[ice005]

What I meant was, could it have low/no THC content because of errors in the extraction process. Like is it known good sh!t from a reliable source like a dispensary or is it from some sketchy dude's garden shed. Decay/spoilage isn't usually an issue unless it was poorly made.

ah fair enough... I got it from a source I trust but I just don't know if its good or not till I guess I get something different to compare with...

I think someone mentioned that its just always better of a rig... so i started looking stuff up

Ive done some research vs domeless vs dome… and that minimum rec is quartz 4mm. I also see that Hymanquartz01 from DHGate has a lot of recs… I did take a look on his site as well as general search on DHGate but I’m still confused.

1. Will a domeless quartz work for both torch and e-nails? Or as soon as I see “e-nail” I should stay away?
   
   
2. With my bong like this http://imgur.com/FBXCxDe , I dont know if a 90 degree works (sorry I suck at angles) - what angle should I be looking for that works with this kind of joint?
   
   
3. RE carb caps… I see most of the domes are sold without one… then I see for caps there’s also different measurements like 16mm or 20mm but bangers are at the thickness and angle of the joint?
   

thanks in advance for any advice

 

[flatulentz]

Will a domeless quartz work for both torch and e-nails?

The nails that are made to fit into a mains-powered e-nail coil can also be used with a torch.

With my bong like this http://imgur.com/FBXCxDe , I dont know if a 90 degree works (sorry I suck at angles) - what angle should I be looking for that works with this kind of joint?

From the pic it looks like a 45 degree.

RE carb caps… I see most of the domes are sold without one… then I see for caps there’s also different measurements like 16mm or 20mm but bangers are at the thickness and angle of the joint?

Can't answer this one because I just use random objects as carb caps. (:

 

[thisperson]

Also regarding Ceramic Atomizers, I think the dude who sells them on here (and possibly made them first, IDK) says that it should be used in nichrome temperature control mode for the best results.

I think he said around 300 degrees. Go read Divine's Atty thread I think it was called.

 

[ice005]

Also regarding Ceramic Atomizers, I think the dude who sells them on here (and possibly made them first, IDK) says that it should be used in nichrome temperature control mode for the best results.

I think he said around 300 degrees. Go read Divine's Atty thread I think it was called.

I think I'm going to try for a quartz dome instead as the mod isn't helping for me with the NYX I'm not sure if switching to an all ceramic one will get me there faster

 

[tsp247]

How much wattage are you using? Quartz or ceramic coil? I have a nyx and while not the best it is more than capable.

 

[ice005]

How much wattage are you using? Quartz or ceramic coil? I have a nyx and while not the best it is more than capable.

I'm at 17-20 watts, on a ceramic coil

 

[matthend]

i run my divine tribe 3.0, which is a similar ceramic donut on an older istick tc40 in ni temp mode @250. A smooth slow draw over the ten seconds till the cutoff will taste insanely awesome and is MUCH stronger than a hit or five of vaping herb (though not quite what a good dab is on a nail). Here is a shot of a somewhat heavily loaded donut with some GSC resin that gave up more hits than I can remember. Dont give up, I would think you can get some really good hits from that thing!

 

[thisperson]

I gotta get me one of those ceramic atomizers.

The coil porn from those donuts gets to me.

Edit: And to the OP: You need Temp Control. Divine Tribe says you should run ceramic coils in temp control mode.

 

[ice005]

i run my divine tribe 3.0, which is a similar ceramic donut on an older istick tc40 in ni temp mode @250. A smooth slow draw over the ten seconds till the cutoff will taste insanely awesome and is MUCH stronger than a hit or five of vaping herb (though not quite what a good dab is on a nail). Here is a shot of a somewhat heavily loaded donut with some GSC resin that gave up more hits than I can remember. Dont give up, I would think you can get some really good hits from that thing!

Sorry for the noob question again but is that what's left after you do the 10 second draw or at that point would you try and burn that again and vape it?