next generation e-nails?

[ckingflava]

I wish I did go that route... Now I'm stuck with a dnail halo and no good option for a carb cap and it sounds like their is a manufacturing problem with the ones I had been waiting on..

 

[tepictoton]

Can attest to it looking bigger then it really is, that is the liger v2.0.

And lets not forget it is a hollow piece of titanium. Yes, it does have some weight to it, but sure not enough to make any reasonably sized glass piece tip over(unless it is an already tippy piece , tippie?tippy? think y'all know what I mean).

Also, it can be switched to any angle you prefer (that is the vapor bucket?) adding in making it more stable on a bigger range of glass pieces.

It sure seems like D-Nail has the biggest representation around here, but lets not forget the Liger V2.0 has only hit the market a month or two ago. And one being good, does not mean the other is bad, and I mean that both ways. Neither D-nail nor cca710 has 'bad' stuff I think. In comparison with lets say cars, they would both be in the high end section...

Myself, I cannot be more happy with the liger v2.0, guess it just ticks all the right boxes for me. Room for improvement there will always be, but damned, this thing is close, especially with the storm cap(witch already has been revised if I understand it correct)...

This together with a stellar customer service is all I can ask for...or maybe...those damned freaks from customs in Madrid to let my package pass that Josh paid an extra fifty bucks to ship it to me and get it here before Christmas...they have it since 16th of December, today I received an 'urgent' letter asking me for an invoice and my personal data. It has a 20mm vapor bucket and my 20mm SiC insert in it, and a little extra that I still have no idea what it might be...maybe the updated storm cap? That would be a nice surprise if it finally makes it here and I have paid them freaks probably another 50plus euros(they charged me 29euros, more or less 35dollar, for a 45dollar bong from china last week).

Sorry for the customs rant, lets get nailing again.

As soon as I get my SiC insert I will share my opinion on it. Hard to see how flavor might improve compared to the quartz...But if it can really lower the temp another 150degrees...

 

[mrbonsai420]

Part of the appeal to d-nail is actually the fact that everyone else uses it lol. Just makes it nice for comparing temps etc. My rig is REALLY small, and the drop down is needed to make it like a tripod and not tip over from even the d-nail + sic ... haha.

If I was brand new I'd probably have considered the liger at the very least. Its neat looking, but 100% not an option for my rig. It does look well made.

Just curious what small oil rig do you use?

I am looking for a new small portable dab rig (from China since I may break it!) I was looking at these 2. Any suggestions on a little guy?

this
http://www.dhgate.com/store/product/2015-feb-newest-glass-bong-9-quot-inches/247499767.html

or this

http://www.dhgate.com/store/product/2015-new-bong-glass-bong-glass-bongs-hookah/247500244.html

 

[herbivore21]

t route... Now I'm stuck with a dnail halo and no good option for a carb cap and it sounds like their is a manufacturing problem with the ones I had been waiting on..

There is not a manufacturing problem. This was the first run of carbs by a new manufacturer, where something new was tried. The only delay was the change of manufacturers and lead time on first order.

Ignore all the HE related commentary, which was not relevant in the end of the change in carbs (only 1.3 bases, which have finished being produced now anyway).

The next run will be back to normal with the angled hole, also I repeat, the new ti is purer Gr1 ti than the previous stuff! Yes this means it is softer (marginally/negligibly, we are comparing gr1 to gr1 here), but should still resist impact damage well.

This is all straight from the dude that runs dnail and designs all of their stuff to me, then to you guys.

Hell, I'll get one of the new carbs when the next run with angled holes comes out and sell my old one here at a discount if someone wants it so much lol, I'll happily take a newer, more inert/pure ti!

BTW, I am informed that there have already been 2 slightly different versions/runs of universal carb 2.0 before this one anyway! D-nail products change rapidly, often which each production run, due to reengineering/redesign. I get it that straight hole carbs are not best suited to people doing bigger dabs, I'm one of said people. I get that the carbs have been rare for a month or two now during the changeover of manufacturers.

In summation (cribnotes style for anyone who has just stopped into this thread and wants to know!):

There was a delay where no dnail universal 2.0 carbs were available, and then one new iteration of the carb came that had a straight rather than angled carb hole which has pros/cons and may not be as good for those who like large dabs (but better suited to smaller/medium sized dabs than the preexisting design). The next batch will have the angled hole again, same performance as the last ones (before change in manufacturer) with the new purer/more inert ti.

It sucks that there was a delay for a bunch of halo customers in getting the best carb for the job. Still, there is no manufacturing problem.

Hope this finally clears up this topic and that the wait for the next batch for those wanting an angled hole carb is not too long now.

For anyone new who doesn't know (this thread has grown recently!): I am not saying this to sell anything. As I have said in the past, I do not have ANY financial interest or relationship with d-nail whatsoever. I am just a beta tester who happens to talk with the guy who runs dnail and designs their stuff semi-regularly.

 

[rolln_j]

heres the response i got from diane

"Thank you for contacting us, and I apologize for this reply delay due to Holiday Business Hours.

I reviewed your message with my management, as I am personally one of the newest employees to the D-NAIL® Team with zero experience in this industry prior to my beginnings here. Since my primary duties are Customer Care and Support, I do not have any knowledge of the R&D or manufacturing process.


Here is what my management advise that I explain to you in regards to the Slim Series -

The Slim Series comes standard with the 22mm Washer (Heater Retainer) as part of the package. This item can be used as a torching buffer under the Quartz Halo™ and is also used to hold the 20mm heater coil in place when the Slim Series is used with our 20mm titanium dish and traditional wrapped coil.

Furthermore, this washer can be used instead of the smaller locking collar for adjusting the height of the base and heatsink, as the larger size is easier to handle for some people than the smaller locking collar.


In regards to your comments about the straight hole in the cap - I have no personal experience to compare the two, but my Head of Sales manager is a Beta Tester for all new items - and he has indicated to me that he does not experience any difference between the two caps. However, he will add that he is one of the few people who will "finger carb" his cap - when this is done, there is zero difference between the "straight hole" vs the "angle hole."

It is my understanding that a new batch of caps with the correct "angle hole" will be arriving to our office within 1 - 2 weeks."



didnt address the issues I brought up about the finish or lack there of and that one side of my retainer hadnt even been polshied

Im pretty over it and moving on to try a different brand with my next purchase

@mrbonsai420 i like that first one bc of the thickness but also bc the joint is straight and seems more solid

 

[loadthetrenchdawg]

Ouch! Possible 2 weeks is a bit much for me also. Specially considering how quick they sell out, I could very well be waiting longer. Was planning on the SIC halo, but it looks like I'm going for the Liger v2 w/ insert. Anyone know if different dabber heads are in the works for the stormcap?

 

[herbivore21]

heres the response i got

Do you have an uneven finish on your carb man? As I mentioned the different finish is not a problem and the new ti is purer - still uneven polishing is another thing altogether. Please post a pic and I will make sure to raise it too.

I am one of those who finger carbs too lol! There you go, the difference between straight and angled hole may be nothing depending on how you dab.

 

[MileHighLife]

So D-Nail is going to exchange my straight hole carb cap for a angled hole cap. I just need to wait for the new batch to get in. As long as it functions right I'm going to keep it as I need a second carb cap. Here you'll see the MDS for Titanium grades 1 - 4 (commercially pure grades of titanium). While grade 1 is technically more pure the only difference is .07% more O2 allowance in grade 2 and the tensile and yield strength are significantly greater than grade 1. There was research done before every other company settled on grade 2 titanium. Anyway, as long as the cap makes it to my door in good shape everything should be all gravy.

Sic dish in the 20mm Liger V2.0 was a big hit over the holidays! I was running fairly low temps and the flavor had everyone smacking their lips at the 650 degree mark and below! I agree having the right carb cap for the nail makes a big difference. I'm still not sure why more people aren't trying the CCA stuff now that the SiC and Quartz options are in, plus they have carb caps! The extremely high end materials and top quality machining with these smaller production run nails and inserts are where it's at IMO. Have you guys looked at the close ups of the Liger, I felt like I was inspecting a high end sports car part rather than a nail. The machining was THAT good. Plus when you inspect the quartz dish I can tell it's no cheap quartz. There is still no hazing on my quartz dish after a month of torch cleanings and I have already tested it by accidentally dropping it hot onto tile. It didn't break!. Not even my pukinbeagle quartz could say that! I only have one piece of SiC but I see 0 flaws or polishing lines. It is perfect! I know those Ferraris drive great guys but have you tried this McLaren?!? Don't get stuck on one brand just because that's what everyone else is buying.

Hell I'm sure not sure if the taste of SiC is any "Better" than quartz? SiC allows you to turn your coil temp down and your dabbing surface will stay closer to the coil temp. But with both surfaces at the same temp I think quartz is still pretty close to SiC in taste.

I found myself switching back and forth between materials. Dropping a different insert in the Liger occasionally. I don't know if I like the SiC at 620 or the Quartz at 700 better? I do know I like having both of them in my rotation and can't wait to get the flower/hash vaping attachment for this thing!

Also I just wanted to mention that I have been ordering my coils from Greenlight vapes. If you order from China direct they are around $25-$30 each ( plus Shipping?) and I haven't had one burn out yet. I have one of each size from there all going strong. Plus there is a one time coil replacement from when I bought my enail from them but I haven't had to use it yet. You have to pay shipping from China so I just bought a few. I like having 16mm, 20mm, and flat coils so I can try any nail I want without worrying about coil size or shape. The only on I didn't buy is the nectar collector 10mm but they do carry it. Here is my contact there
amy@greenlightvapes.com

I've been loving my Liger too! The only complaint I have is that it doesn't handle globs as well as the SiC halos. I keep mine at 666F and it handles decent size dabs but not insomnia busters. I think it's due to the fact that the dish is so thin so there isn't a whole lot of thermal mass behind it. I've spoken with Josh and he's going to make a few SiC dishes to test out that only have one cup cut into it so the other side is pure SiC so there'll be a ton of thermal mass to drop a glob onto. I'm pumped .... if it works as well as I'm hoping the Liger will be my go-to all the time.

Edit: I saw you were saying the cord on the Liger would be the tippiest part. This is how I've been setting up my Liger:

It's super sturdy set up like that and it gets the pesky cord out of the way.

 

[herbivore21]

So D-Nail is going to exchange my straight hole carb cap for a angled hole cap. I just need to wait for the new batch to get in. As long as it functions right I'm going to keep it as I need a second carb cap. Here you'll see the MDS for Titanium grades 1 - 4 (commercially pure grades of titanium). While grade 1 is technically more pure the only difference is .07% more O2 allowance in grade 2 and the tensile and yield strength are significantly greater than grade 1. There was research done before every other company settled on grade 2 titanium. Anyway, as long as the cap makes it to my door in good shape everything should be all gravy.

I've been loving my Liger too! The only complaint I have is that it doesn't handle globs as well as the SiC halos. I keep mine at 666F and it handles decent size dabs but not insomnia busters. I think it's due to the fact that the dish is so thin so there isn't a whole lot of thermal mass behind it. I've spoken with Josh and he's going to make a few SiC dishes to test out that only have one cup cut into it so the other side is pure SiC so there'll be a ton of thermal mass to drop a glob onto. I'm pumped .... if it works as well as I'm hoping the Liger will be my go-to all the time.

Edit: I saw you were saying the cord on the Liger would be the tippiest part. This is how I've been setting up my Liger:

It's super sturdy set up like that and it gets the pesky cord out of the way.

Both the previous and new version dnail ti were grade 1 IIRC, the new ti is just a slightly purer grade 1. That is what I meant by saying that the difference will be negligibly in the direction of slightly more malleable and slightly more inert on the newer ti.

Please do share w/ pics when you get your new carb off the next run bro

 

[MileHighLife]

Both the previous and new version dnail ti were grade 1 IIRC, the new ti is just a slightly purer grade 1. That is what I meant by saying that the difference will be negligibly in the direction of slightly more malleable and slightly more inert on the newer ti.

Please do share w/ pics when you get your new carb off the next run bro

Will do. The older version D-Nail Ti was grade 2. The description for the generation 2 cap actually still says grade 2 on the D-Nail website. Shouldn't be a problem it's just worth noting that it is more delicate than grade 2. The slim series bases are holding up fine and they're grade 1 ... I wish they had the purdy engraved logo instead of the printed logo but I do love these little guys. Been using a slim series base with SiC dish and the tiny Blazer Firefox on the pendy rig when out and about

 

[herbivore21]

Will do. The older version D-Nail Ti was grade 2. The description for the generation 2 cap actually still says grade 2 on the D-Nail website. Shouldn't be a problem it's just worth noting that it is more delicate than grade 2. The slim series bases are holding up fine and they're grade 1 ... I wish they had the purdy engraved logo instead of the printed logo but I do love these little guys. Been using a slim series base with SiC dish and the tiny Blazer Firefox on the pendy rig when out and about

Oh that's right. The old ti was meant to be gr2 but came back in tests actually being gr1. This new stuff is meant to be and shows up in test results as decidedly purer gr1.

Oh man that is a good combination for on the go dabs! I might have to do something similar you know, never get enough joy from pens!

I love SiC with a torch, isn't it the best way to torch?

Those new mothership x hive swings look nice too!

 

[jl420]

Thanx to you mrbonsai420 (I did use coupon code Thanx) and everyone else with their CCA Sic dish comments I ordered my own Sic dish 20mm yesterday. I've heard nothing but positive about it so why not make my Liger v2 set up complete. I can't say anything good or bad about dnail because I've never used their products but I agree that they are a very popular and widely used. The Liger v2 is just well designed & crafted making all my other bangers obsolete. I also have 2 rigs that can feel like they might topple when I use the Liger but as mentioned in MileHighLife's reply I run my coil cord towards the mouth piece and I have no problems.

 

[ReggieB]

is 400c/752f max temp high enough for a PID controller for an enail coil? I'm looking at the REX-C100 as they're the cheapest but they only seem to go up to 400c.

 

[jnbowmar]

@ReggieB

i have the auber rdk200 and it runs to 1000f which is necessary for cleaning temps. i payed 130 over a year ago but i think it runs about 80 bux now. for price and function i cant really recomend anything else.

 

[ReggieB]

Thanks for the temperature information but the auber is still $130 with the coil and shipping + import will bump that up a bit, I'm not willing to pay that much for a unit.

 

[mrbonsai420]

Thanks for the temperature information but the auber is still $130 with the coil and shipping + import will bump that up a bit, I'm not willing to pay that much for a unit.

Reggie, I think that model maxes out at 400c (752) NOT 1300 like the add says but if that's fine for you it works for low temp dabbing for sure, just not cleaning. You can get others for slightly more that go higher.


Keep in mind that although these all do roughly the same thing you do get what you pay for. This Rex isn't going to perform like an Omron or equivalent and will take some programming to get the algorithm right. BUT I think it would do the trick if you are going for cheap? Don't forget you need a solid state relay as well. This kit below has both for cheaper than dirt lol.

http://www.banggood.com/REX-C100-11...OveNv7R6r7uhXlHmS40ezK-DMWPApD3VuUaAktL8P8HAQ


This little guy would be better for $31 With the SSR built in
http://www.e-nail.org/PID-Controller-GLTC420-SCS.html

And I personally went for this one and don't regret it. The Omron E5CC is really accurate.

http://www.e-nail.org/Omron-E5CC-Temperature-Controller.html

 

[ReggieB]

I'm trying to go local because shipping + taxes always kills the deals for me.

@mrbonsai420 yup, I'd come to the same conclusion, it's not good enough for cleaning, so I'll look at an inkbird unit + SSR instead. I'm going for a PID controller because it's a complete unit with all the voltages handled for me, the wiring for these things is incredibly simple, almost plug and play but I could use a microcontroller instead then I get all the control I want but with more work involved.

 

[MileHighLife]

is 400c/752f max temp high enough for a PID controller for an enail coil? I'm looking at the REX-C100 as they're the cheapest but they only seem to go up to 400c.

The XMT 7100 is where it's at if you're on a budget.

This reddit page has info about tuning etc.

 

[darkrom]

My tippy as shit but otherwise perfect Jack Steele spine rig with the sic and sapphire. Has the diy D-Nail powering it. See what I mean by too small? Haha.

The bigger Jack Steele spines were some serious $$$ and I have servere chronic back pain. Without the drop down I can't even use the enail with it.

 

[herbivore21]

My tippy as shit but otherwise perfect Jack Steele spine rig with the sic and sapphire. Has the diy D-Nail powering it. See what I mean by too small? Haha.

The bigger Jack Steele spines were some serious $$$ and I have servere chronic back pain. Without the drop down I can't even use the enail with it.

Fuck man, that is fortunate to even get to function with an enail at all! Kudos for getting it to work! That spine mouthpiece tube is beautiful btw

 

[ckingflava]

Woot....a member here pm'd me a headshop with the angled d-nail hole still in stock...ordered it.....hope it makes my nail set up complete

 

[darkrom]

Fuck man, that is fortunate to even get to function with an enail at all! Kudos for getting it to work! That spine mouthpiece tube is beautiful btw

Thanks. I was devastated to not get it working with the e-nail. Ironically the fix was add another chunk of glass. Boom tri-pod. Might switch to something bigger when I move again soon, but I don't really have any $ and I like the spine, so it'd have to be something cheap.

 

[herbivore21]

Thanks. I was devastated to not get it working with the e-nail. Ironically the fix was add another chunk of glass. Boom tri-pod. Might switch to something bigger when I move again soon, but I don't really have any $ and I like the spine, so it'd have to be something cheap.

Hmm I wonder if you could have your cake and eat it too by contacting one of our resident blowers here and getting a custom dropdown with feet/legs in the right places to keep the rig standing up etc? This way the piece could be counterbalanced and supported adequately for use with an enail?

I would recommend using narrower diameter glass tubing to avoid adding too much space for your vapor to recondense in the airpath

 

[MileHighLife]

My tippy as shit but otherwise perfect Jack Steele spine rig with the sic and sapphire. Has the diy D-Nail powering it. See what I mean by too small? Haha.

The bigger Jack Steele spines were some serious $$$ and I have servere chronic back pain. Without the drop down I can't even use the enail with it.

Have you considered the slim series base with 14mm female adapter? It'd fit your rig directly and probably be much less tippy. you could do the 45 degree adapter too to level the dish off if you prefer it. I've been using my Tristan Hodges rig (with 45 degree joint like yours) as a hand pipe (picking it up when I hit it) and tipping it back to level the dish off while I rip it. I probably wouldn't use it like this without the heater retainer under the heater coil as the joint gets much hotter with the nail set up like that but when the heater retainer is under the heater coil the joint doesn't get that hot at all. The fins on the base don't even discolor at 950 degrees when the heater retainer is used under the coil.

Love your rig BTW.

 

[darkrom]

Have you considered the slim series base with 14mm female adapter? It'd fit your rig directly and probably be much less tippy. you could do the 45 degree adapter too to level the dish off if you prefer it. I've been using my Tristan Hodges rig (with 45 degree joint like yours) as a hand pipe (picking it up when I hit it) and tipping it back to level the dish off while I rip it. I probably wouldn't use it like this without the heater retainer under the heater coil as the joint gets much hotter with the nail set up like that but when the heater retainer is under the heater coil the joint doesn't get that hot at all. The fins on the base don't even discolor at 950 degrees when the heater retainer is used under the coil.

Love your rig BTW.

Thanks. I've thought about the slim and 45 degree but 1) money and stuff 2) It tipped even with a 710 whip on it :/ The current dropdown actually does let it stand safely on its own like a tripod even though I'm stabilizing it for the picture.

I will end up getting the slim series more than likely eventually, unless the next best thing comes out before I feel like spending more on my rig. I'm not sure what I want to do honestly. Right now I'm feeling like I like the sic + lower temp more than I like the sapphire + the much higher temp needed to use it, even though the surface is obviously not that temp.

I keep trying to convince myself I like the convection dabs, but I'm not sure if I do or not yet. I love convection buds, can't even touch conduction these days really. But with oil I wonder if it even matters. More testing both ways for sure.