next generation e-nails?

[alittledabwilldoya']

Unfortunately no... I have only tried the D-nail V1 with Sapphire insert (Liger > V1 Sapphire disc). I haven't tried the SiC or Quartz halos. I do know that I prefer banger style nails but I need to go ahead and bite the bullet on the Halo too. I have the flat coil and an HE but I might pull the trigger on a slim base and a quartz halo to give them a head to head. I do have a Happy daddy genesis with a quartz dish, Highly educated domeless Ti, BOSS Ti e-nail, and every style quartz enail I could find including the turtle banger. The Liger V2 destroys all of those.

Do you have both?

Also have you tried the Errlectric Quartz insert? It looks pretty interesting but I don't have an Errlectric nail.

No, I only have the SiC Halo (soon X2) and a Quartz Halo.

The Liger V2 + SiC insert is something I wouldn't mind trying.
The Errlectric is outside my price-range.
It sounds like they definitely have the best control unit (although it could use a KNOB!) and I like their selection of nails.
Especially the Full Quartz Nail with that trick "dab and carb" carb cap (which the Liger has a version of as well).

 

[DMPesso]

Ok so since the 710 whip is made in America and has good customer service and works great out the box I think I am sold on that! Thanks everyone! Can someone refresh my memory what else do I need to order if I get the 710? Does it come with EVERYTHING? If I need anything please recommend me the best to get. Sorry, long day at work!

 

[herbivore21]

http://aqualabtechnologies.com/dab-...een-14-18-dualiti-quartz-titanium-hybrid.html

I just wanted to duck by and say to everyone - please avoid these HE quartz halos. The HE products are a shameless (the original HE blog post to indicate that these were coming soon even called them 'Quartz Halos'!!!), unauthorized and direct rip-off of the d-nail quartz halos.

They use a grade of quartz which is a higher purity but lower stability, designed for semiconductors by GE IIRC. This quartz is not designed to get hot and cold in the same way that quartz does in our application, meaning it is going to suffer in the durability stakes even before we get to the fact that the quartz is thinner on the HE imitation, and the overall nail is smaller. D-nail quartz is made of a higher stability quartz using more advanced, suitable manufacturing methods.

Also note that the HE quartz is not well polished, it has a bubbly, wavey kind of translucency rather than crystal clear like the non wik surfaces on the dnail halo. This is because these HE quartz halos are simply flame polished. The original d-nail halos are polished the same way as high end lenses are manufactured - hence the stark difference.

Whatever you think of my objectivity or lack thereof, these HE halos are clearly, visibly inferior in manufacturing quality (and made out of less quartz in pure quantity terms too!) all for what at normal retail is more expensive than the dnail version! This is the point I'm trying to drive home here. To illustrate this inferiority, look at the pictures of those quartz nails. Check out the other color options of the HE quartz halo rip-offs too! Look at the lines, the waves, the bubbles, the burs/cracks/lines/whatever they are around the inner part of the quartz where the retaining nut holds the quartz together. For some reason, I can't link the ALT pics here.

Check out the lines in the base of the quartz on this next pic (appear to be flaws/poorly fused quartz), also this shot shows the waviness of the polish finish much more clearly:

All breaches of patent (I'll leave that to the parties involved, no good comes of discussing other people's legal concerns) and brand loyalty aside, these are just on the face of it, comparatively poor products. I've heard (not on forums etc, but through personal communications!) of at least 3 cases of cracked HE quartz already and I don't wanna see any of you guys have that happen either!

The real kicker is the HE is hardly cheaper ($20 difference, and only because the HE ones are $30 off right now!) than the d-nail halo anyway.

Disclaimer: Please do keep in mind that again, I have never profited off of the sales of dnail products, the only product of theirs that I have ever sold has been my own used, second hand item.

 

[MPZ]

Unfortunately no... I have only tried the D-nail V1 with Sapphire insert (Liger > V1 Sapphire disc). I haven't tried the SiC or Quartz halos. I do know that I prefer banger style nails but I need to go ahead and bite the bullet on the Halo too. I have the flat coil and an HE but I might pull the trigger on a slim base and a quartz halo to give them a head to head. I do have a Happy daddy genesis with a quartz dish, Highly educated domeless Ti, BOSS Ti e-nail, and every style quartz enail I could find including the turtle banger. The Liger V2 destroys all of those.

Do you have both?

Also have you tried the Errlectric Quartz insert? It looks pretty interesting but I don't have an Errlectric nail.





I haven't used or reviewed the High Five. It looks very similar to the other cheaper Chinese enails which actually work fine as long as the PiD was programmed correctly. Even the cheaper relays and PiD's will last a while and heat your coil just fine. The only difference with higher end electronics will be faster heat up and more precise temperature control. I notice more drop in temp on my cheaper enail than my Omron and the Omron definitely heats up faster.


This is a comparison between a slightly better (Still no Errlectric) Omron on the left and a cheaper $125 Chinese model on the right (similar to the High Five)

Always happy to hear more about the liger- I'm trying to find a better nail for my torchbound friend (the constant heat from an e-nail started bothering his throat after he had one for about a year) Right now he is rocking XL quave bangers- I owe him a birtday present, and I want to get him either a liger setup or some D-nail halos. I'm praying someone eventually compares them in this thread.

What I'm wondering is how are you liking that diffusion pump? I ordered the grav labs version (they licensed/bought the design- the latest version of their piece actually has a bates x worm logo on it) on black friday, and it should arrive tomorrow- my Ninja nail and Lotus flower adapter (From d-nail) are scheduled for saturday. I can't wait to try the setup out, but I'm really curious as to how the diffusion pump compares to other glass with a e-nail. I will be comparing mine with my best friend's toros (tripline and micro froth to contrax) and his mothership mini beaker once i buy an adapter, but the more impressions the merrier- there are a lot of designs out there!

For anyone interested in convection dabs, I also ordered a healthstone, a 14-18 double female adapter, and these two:

I still need to kludge something together to try the healthstone, but after talking to the 7th floor guys about these ceramic discs, I think they might be all I need I mostly bought the healthstone first because there was a 30% off cyber monday sale, and I was already paying shipping to get my diffusion pump (same story on the adapter- I might not need it since the ceramics are thin)

I guess I will find out what's what on Saturday

Edit: @herbivore21
That's a shame... and besides, who wouldn't pay $20 more for the option to use a quartz halo as well!

 

[DrSteez]

Unfortunately no... I have only tried the D-nail V1 with Sapphire insert (Liger > V1 Sapphire disc). I haven't tried the SiC or Quartz halos. I do know that I prefer banger style nails but I need to go ahead and bite the bullet on the Halo too. I have the flat coil and an HE but I might pull the trigger on a slim base and a quartz halo to give them a head to head. I do have a Happy daddy genesis with a quartz dish, Highly educated domeless Ti, BOSS Ti e-nail, and every style quartz enail I could find including the turtle banger. The Liger V2 destroys all of those.

Do you have both?

Also have you tried the Errlectric Quartz insert? It looks pretty interesting but I don't have an Errlectric nail.





I haven't used or reviewed the High Five. It looks very similar to the other cheaper Chinese enails which actually work fine as long as the PiD was programmed correctly. Even the cheaper relays and PiD's will last a while and heat your coil just fine. The only difference with higher end electronics will be faster heat up and more precise temperature control. I notice more drop in temp on my cheaper enail than my Omron and the Omron definitely heats up faster.


This is a comparison between a slightly better (Still no Errlectric) Omron on the left and a cheaper $125 Chinese model on the right (similar to the High Five)

ohh WOW that took forever!!! Now I'm worried. I was about to place my order for highfive box today. Kind of glad I didn't.

On the other hand... for only 110$ and 2 days to my house, I suppose it's not too bad of a deal. I mean right now, just because I'm not going to be around to use it so much (5 months tops) I dont see the need to buy 200$+ enail. If it works, it works. So i feel like maybe i can turn it on, take a crap, smoke some bowls and then hopefully it'll be ready by then. But holy shit that, in that video, that enail on the right took FOREVER!!

Damn...now I'm kind of lost=back to square 1 i feel, lol

 

[MileHighLife]

Ok so since the 710 whip is made in America and has good customer service and works great out the box I think I am sold on that! Thanks everyone! Can someone refresh my memory what else do I need to order if I get the 710? Does it come with EVERYTHING? If I need anything please recommend me the best to get. Sorry, long day at work!

The only thing you'll need is a dabber. I prefer to use glass dabbers with the 710 whip dab cap as they plug the carb hole nicely which helps decrease atmospheric pressure in the dish and thickens vapor production. Plus then you're using a full glass/ceramic setup.

@MileHighLife @DMPesso

when I bought my auberins I had to do nothing to my PID - I remember reading here if you bought the flat coil you would have to change the settings, but auberins has started doing that now before they ship is my understanding - I also didnt have to set the temp differential - right out of the box mine heats up very fast, accurately and holds the temp without an issue

I just got my RDK 300 less than a month ago and out of the box it wouldn't get hotter than 760 F. After changing the IEG value from 40 to 100 it gets up to the 900s (for cleaning) easily. Wasn't a huge issue but it did need to be changed. Maybe they're still selling through the RDK 300s with the old tuning?

Unfortunately no... I have only tried the D-nail V1 with Sapphire insert (Liger > V1 Sapphire disc). I haven't tried the SiC or Quartz halos. I do know that I prefer banger style nails but I need to go ahead and bite the bullet on the Halo too. I have the flat coil and an HE but I might pull the trigger on a slim base and a quartz halo to give them a head to head. I do have a Happy daddy genesis with a quartz dish, Highly educated domeless Ti, BOSS Ti e-nail, and every style quartz enail I could find including the turtle banger. The Liger V2 destroys all of those.

Do you have both?

Also have you tried the Errlectric Quartz insert? It looks pretty interesting but I don't have an Errlectric nail.





I haven't used or reviewed the High Five. It looks very similar to the other cheaper Chinese enails which actually work fine as long as the PiD was programmed correctly. Even the cheaper relays and PiD's will last a while and heat your coil just fine. The only difference with higher end electronics will be faster heat up and more precise temperature control. I notice more drop in temp on my cheaper enail than my Omron and the Omron definitely heats up faster.


This is a comparison between a slightly better (Still no Errlectric) Omron on the left and a cheaper $125 Chinese model on the right (similar to the High Five)

I think the high5 units must be tuned to get to temp quicker than those green light units. Just did a test with the Auber, high5, and d-nail 1.2 to compare heat-up times from cold to 710 with flat coils. Here's the results:

Auber RDK 300 (with slight mod to tune): 2:09
D-Nail 1.2: 2:32
High5: 1:49

^^^His video sucks but @ 1:30 you can see how quickly it heats up. Only thing that I'm not a fan of is the 4' cord on the high5 coils but that's not a huge issue unless your passing your rig around a lot.

The Auber and High5 both fluctuate about 15 degrees during a dab while the D-Nail only fluctuates about 5.

Edit: and heat up time has nothing to do with quality. The errlectric is specifically programmed to heat up slow to prolong the coil's life.

 

[weenstoned]

http://aqualabtechnologies.com/dab-...een-14-18-dualiti-quartz-titanium-hybrid.html

I just wanted to duck by and say to everyone - please avoid these HE quartz halos. The HE products are a shameless, unauthorized and direct rip-off of the d-nail quartz halos.

They use a grade of quartz which is a higher purity but lower stability, designed for semiconductors by GE IIRC. This quartz is not designed to get hot and cold as quartz does in our application, meaning it is going to suffer in the durability stakes to begin with. D-nail quartz is made of a higher stability quartz using more advanced, suitable manufacturing methods (not to mention it is thicker quartz, and a bigger dish!).

Also note that the HE quartz is not well polished, it has a bubbly, wavey kind of translucency rather than crystal clear like the non wik surfaces on the dnail halo. This is because these HE quartz halos are simply flame polished. The original d-nail halos are polished the same way as high end lenses are manufactured - hence the stark difference.

Most frighteningly, look at the pictures of those quartz nails. Check out the other color options of the HE quartz halo rip-offs too! Look at the lines, the waves, the bubbles, the burs/cracks/lines/whatever they are around the inner part of the quartz where the retaining nut holds the quartz together.

All breaches of patent and brand loyalty aside, these are just on the face of it, poor products. I've heard of at least 3 cases of cracked HE quartz already and I don't wanna see any of you guys have that happen either!

The real kicker is the HE is hardly cheaper ($20 difference, and only because the HE ones are $30 off right now!) than the d-nail halo anyway.

Disclaimer: Please do keep in mind that again, I have never profited off of the sales of dnail products, the only product of theirs that I have ever sold has been my own used, second hand item.

Just want to preface by saying I will not be buying an HE quartz nail, and probably would pick the d-nail version. Having said that any patent on a quartz dish seems pretty dubious considering that quartz nails already existed and so did nails with a removable dish, I was kinda surprised it didn't exist before. I have accused you of being a d-nail shill in the past and I apologize for that, but this post comes off as pretty fearmongery (especially the unsubstantiated cases of breakage). You say it is not well polished yet it looks like basically every other quartz nail besides the d-nail quartz halo to me. Tried to google the type of quartz they list on aqualab (d-nail does not list the grade of theirs anywhere on their site that I could find) but didn't find much results. Having said that I find it hard to believe that quartz used in semi-conductors wouldn't stand up to extreme temperature changes. I think these are a good option for people who already own a nail or carb cap from HE as then they will save more money.

 

[herbivore21]

Sorry I should clarify some of my post to do what can be done to zmake sure it doesn't come across fear mongerish. A little busy right now but I'll be back soon so edit this

Still, bro please do look closer at the pics of the nail, especially the second pic on the page I linked. I might get some digital microscope pics with a lab imaging calibrated monitor to see if I can make the flaws in the quartz easier to see for some reason can't directly link the images of alt site

EDIT: Made some changes to my above post so that you guys can see what I'm talking about. Regardless of what readers may think of my intentions (I've said my piece on this), this is a visibly inferior product which is at the moment, not much cheaper than the visibly better quality workmanship you'll get from the competition. Moreover, when the sale ends, the HE quartz will potentially be more expensive!

I've clarified the breakage cases as being information I got from personal communications, not general unsubstantiated online posts from anonymous people. I have not personally seen the broken HE quartz (so in that sense, I cannot substantiate anything more than to say that I've heard the claims in the way described) - I would love to see some shots of the broken ones too!

Still, the inferior workmanship is evident from pictures alone and is enough, independent of anything else to have me warn all to steer clear of the product.

Why buy significantly lesser quality for a little less, or perhaps a little more cash?

 

[mrbonsai420]

ohh WOW that took forever!!! Now I'm worried. I was about to place my order for highfive box today. Kind of glad I didn't.

On the other hand... for only 110$ and 2 days to my house, I suppose it's not too bad of a deal. I mean right now, just because I'm not going to be around to use it so much (5 months tops) I dont see the need to buy 200$+ enail. If it works, it works. So i feel like maybe i can turn it on, take a crap, smoke some bowls and then hopefully it'll be ready by then. But holy shit that, in that video, that enail on the right took FOREVER!!

Damn...now I'm kind of lost=back to square 1 i feel, lol

It looks like the highfive is a little faster than the mini but not as fast as the LCD. I wouldn't make that your deciding factor anyway. I leave mine on all night every night after work so thats a moot point for me. It looks like the highfive is a pretty solid unit for the money. I was actually deciding between the Terpz, Gimodo, and the Greenlight LCD when I got mine. It took me a month of research to decide, so I feel you on the tough decision! I think you will be happy no matter which controller you get. Going from Torch to Enail is a massive improvement.

 

[rolln_j]

so I just got my slimline and im fucking bummed - first off it the heater retainer looks like shit - like they only polished half of it (no big deal bc I guess your never going to see it but still smacks of a QC issue) - secondly you can not use it under the coil with the slimline base since it is threaded and the threads on the base stop before the ribs and if i do use it on top of the coil you can barely thread the locking nut on

so Im really confused how and why d-nail thinks I can use the heater retainer with the slim line series

 

[MPZ]

so I just got my slimline and im fucking bummed - first off it the heater retainer looks like shit - like they only polished half of it (no big deal bc I guess your never going to see it but still smacks of a QC issue) - secondly you can not use it under the coil with the slimline base since it is threaded and the threads on the base stop before the ribs and if i do use it on top of the coil you can barely thread the locking nut on

so Im really confused how and why d-nail thinks I can use the heater retainer with the slim line series

Well, the slimline series is new- I'd say get in touch with d-nail customer support (who have done a fantastic job for me so far, and others according to this thread) and let them know about your issues and concerns. They can't fix it if they don't know about it. I hope I don't sound like a d-nail fanboy, I'm just reporting what others have stated in this thread, and what I have experienced. They're human- they do make mistakes, my best friend had the wrong item shipped to him for example (a universal e-tailer issue lol). But I have never observed nor heard of them not making things right thus far. The biggest complaint I hear about them has always been some variation on "my particular individual concern isn't being addressed fast enough," and at the end of the day, e-nails are a niche market so if you're going to buy one retail you're basically guaranteed to be doing business with a small company- that can only do so many things at the same time.

Best of luck with achieving an improved situation re your slimline!

 

[herbivore21]

so I just got my slimline and im fucking bummed - first off it the heater retainer looks like shit - like they only polished half of it (no big deal bc I guess your never going to see it but still smacks of a QC issue) - secondly you can not use it under the coil with the slimline base since it is threaded and the threads on the base stop before the ribs and if i do use it on top of the coil you can barely thread the locking nut on

so Im really confused how and why d-nail thinks I can use the heater retainer with the slim line series

Hmm my ti washers all looked uniform without the issues you described. Sounds like a QC issue to me too - I think you're right - I'd contact them. I have received like 5 of those retainers for my various nails (plus a few spares).

I must say I never use a ti washer below the heater coil, only one above the heater coil between it and the halo.

I have a 220v dnail coil which is a double wound (twice as thick) flat coil and frequently (predominately) use it with my slim series base! I will say I can't use the ti washer on top of the heater on the slim series with the 220v coil. I believe there will need to be a 220v edition of the slim series released with a slightly longer top thread. If so -that would also be something you could use if you prefer hopefully this can be made to happen!

On my 120v dnail, I only ever use a ti washer on top of my heater coil, never underneath the heater coil. This works perfectly and everything fits super secure when assembled. Could I see a picture of how you are setting it up man? I am gonna seek an explanation from the man who designed them That way we can all be as sure as possible of how to use these I do think better instructions could have been provided, but they are super new. I'm sure we'll see a page crop up in the info section in future.

EDIT: Oops I maybe don't need to ask.

Check out the main image here - http://www.d-nail.com/d-nail-slim-series

The washer is only put below the heater coil on barrel coil heaters. The flat coils in the image do not have the washer below the heater.

 

[DrSteez]

It looks like the highfive is a little faster than the mini but not as fast as the LCD. I wouldn't make that your deciding factor anyway. I leave mine on all night every night after work so thats a moot point for me. It looks like the highfive is a pretty solid unit for the money. I was actually deciding between the Terpz, Gimodo, and the Greenlight LCD when I got mine. It took me a month of research to decide, so I feel you on the tough decision! I think you will be happy no matter which controller you get. Going from Torch to Enail is a massive improvement.

ohh yea I absolutely can't wait.

yea i'll just go ahead and buy the highfive. Its cheap and it'll get the job done.

Can you recommend any cheap nails? preferrably that would fit a 16mm nail (unless i should opt for the 20mm)

 

[rolln_j]

Well, the slimline series is new- I'd say get in touch with d-nail customer support (who have done a fantastic job for me so far, and others according to this thread) and let them know about your issues and concerns. They can't fix it if they don't know about it. I hope I don't sound like a d-nail fanboy, I'm just reporting what others have stated in this thread, and what I have experienced. They're human- they do make mistakes, my best friend had the wrong item shipped to him for example (a universal e-tailer issue lol). But I have never observed nor heard of them not making things right thus far. The biggest complaint I hear about them has always been some variation on "my particular individual concern isn't being addressed fast enough," and at the end of the day, e-nails are a niche market so if you're going to buy one retail you're basically guaranteed to be doing business with a small company- that can only do so many things at the same time.

Best of luck with achieving an improved situation re your slimline!

yeah I plan to contact them - I have had nothing but good experience with them in the past - just venting...

I havent used it so if worse comes to worse hopefully I can just send it back

Hmm my ti washers all looked uniform without the issues you described. Sounds like a QC issue to me too - I think you're right - I'd contact them. I have received like 5 of those retainers for my various nails (plus a few spares).

I must say I never use a ti washer below the heater coil, only one above the heater coil between it and the halo.

I have a 220v dnail coil which is a double wound (twice as thick) flat coil and frequently (predominately) use it with my slim series base! I will say I can't use the ti washer on top of the heater on the slim series with the 220v coil. I believe there will need to be a 220v edition of the slim series released with a slightly longer top thread. If so -that would also be something you could use if you prefer hopefully this can be made to happen!

On my 120v dnail, I only ever use a ti washer on top of my heater coil, never underneath the heater coil. This works perfectly and everything fits super secure when assembled. Could I see a picture of how you are setting it up man? I am gonna seek an explanation from the man who designed them That way we can all be as sure as possible of how to use these I do think better instructions could have been provided, but they are super new. I'm sure we'll see a page crop up in the info section in future.

EDIT: Oops I maybe don't need to ask.

Check out the main image here - http://www.d-nail.com/d-nail-slim-series

The washer is only put below the heater coil on barrel coil heaters. The flat coils in the image do not have the washer below the heater.

Ok well NOW i see that in the pic they dont use the retainer at all on the Halos - with the SiC dish it doesnt seem to make sense to heat up a hunk of Ti before the dish anyway - I would prefer to have that piece underneath bc that slim heat sink is tiny and I dont like how my coil sits on it - my current nail v1.3 has a nice wide base to sammich the coil between the sic dish where the coil is completely tucked between the nail and the SiC

I guess i was misunderstanding the purpose of the heat retainer - sadly it seems its really more of a barrel coil holder

 

[MPZ]

http://www.cca710.com/quartz-nails/

Those turtle bangers have recieved favorable reports here (or at least 1 earlier in the thread) and aren't too expensive (though I don't know how cheap is cheap for you), plus that website has a fuckcombustion discount (listed somewhere in this thread, I forget where)

If 90 isn't too much, Hive makes a 16mm 2-piece nail designed for e-nails (a pity you weren't shopping on cyber monday- you could get 30% off that at the dab lab... or a domeless.com full e-nail setup for $105+shipping) just search "hive d nail"

If you're ok with chinese quartz (I know nothing about this subject, my friend who uses quarts goes for quave xl club bangers- and doesen;t have an e-nail), High5 themselves sell quartz bangers that fit their 16mm coils.

My question to you is are you sure you want to go the cheap route? I feel like the $250-300 price bracket is where the value really is in the market atm- for that you could get an Auber controller and flat heater coil and a Sic or Quartz halo- two of the current performance leaders in modern nails as far as I can tell. Or if you don't mind closed systems (which the high5 is), the Galaxy Mini E-nail kit is $260- which gets you everything (including dabber and carb cap) in quartz-plated ceramic (well, not the controller and coil lol)

At the same time... since High5 sells flat coils, you do at least have access to the whole nail market. So I guess the question comes down to whether you care at all about control unit performance, and having access to whatever other cool designs d-nail (or anyone else adhering to the more "standard" pinout) comes out with in the future (like the Lotus flower adapter- I plan to report on its performance with oil and flowers this weekend when mine arrives ). D-nail might make a high5 pinout for you if you ask, but who knows what the future will bring...

I guess what I'm saying is based on my haunting of this thread, if it were me, I would go for an auber for compatibility/futureproofing' sake if my objective was to minimize cost. Unless of course, you're sure you will never want to upgrade... in which case, like mrbonsai420 did, go ahead and buy the high5 and enjoy your instant gratification (for the record... there are plenty of rescources on pid settings for the auber from what I have seen)

I hope that helps and doesen't just muddy the waters further

 

[herbivore21]

yeah I plan to contact them - I have had nothing but good experience with them in the past - just venting...

I havent used it so if worse comes to worse hopefully I can just send it back




Ok well NOW i see that in the pic they dont use the retainer at all on the Halos - with the SiC dish it doesnt seem to make sense to heat up a hunk of Ti before the dish anyway - I would prefer to have that piece underneath bc that slim heat sink is tiny and I dont like how my coil sits on it - my current nail v1.3 has a nice wide base to sammich the coil between the sic dish where the coil is completely tucked between the nail and the SiC

I guess i was misunderstanding the purpose of the heat retainer - sadly it seems its really more of a barrel coil holder

Definitely bro, no need for the washer on SiC. I never put the retainer between SiC dish and heater, it is just slim series, heater, SiC, halo retaining lug (and of course a dab on top of that ).

I've had like 5 coils now and none have ever sat in a way that I didn't like, I've been using slim series bases for a long time too. Can you post a pic of the nail assembled so we can try get to the bottom of it?

 

[mrbonsai420]

ohh yea I absolutely can't wait.

yea i'll just go ahead and buy the highfive. Its cheap and it'll get the job done.

Can you recommend any cheap nails? preferrably that would fit a 16mm nail (unless i should opt for the 20mm)

All of the options below can be chosen in the 16mm or 20mm barrel coil options. The hands down best nail for the 16mm or 20mm would be to get the Liger V2 and wait on the insert until you have more money. The best for a flat coil would be the Quartz/SiC halo on a slim body according to the peeps here. The Turtle banger posted above is a steal at $45 for sure and Josh is an awesome guy to deal with right in Colorado, USA! The Turtle hits really well too and has better temperature uniformity than a standard quartz banger plus is a little less fragile. I have both but just like the Liger better.

Barrel Vs. Flat? This is debated here a lot but I like the thermal properties of a barrel coil over my flat coil but this greatly depends on having the right nail for the coil.
I think of the flat coil conduction heated nail as more of a "frying pan" and this convection heated banger as more of a Dutch oven or crock pot of the nail world lol. Although they can both be used at the same low temps and both can be capped for low temp dabbing. The later just seems like a better form factor for low temp flavor chasing just like with cooking.


The long, drawn out, tasty dabs I can take from the smallest drop of concentrate with the Liger is crazy. The efficiency is ridiculous! I took some insane 30 second rips of Death Star Wax this morning under 600 degrees in the Liger "oven". The clouds were massive off of 1 drip off of my dab tool and the flavor was awesome!

I have all 3 types of coils to open up the nail market for me but I definitely have a favorite. Good coils can be purchased from China for $35 so no worries there anyway.



USE code FUCKCOMBUSTION to get 10% off at CCA710


http://www.cca710.com/liger/

BUT if it's cheap you are looking for there is a knock off of the BOSS nail for $18 on DH gate and it hits REALLY well. for a $18 nail. I used tons of cheap bangers and quartz because that is my preferred dabbing surface BUT this nail always tasted good and hit the best before I decided to go with a nicer option! For under $20 on a 16mm coil this is hard to beat. Plus you will break the cheap quartz, this won't break. If you go the cheapo route pick up one of these and a quartz option and see what you like... Then just go buy the Liger or other hybrid nail when you save up.

Also I was toying with the idea of using the Happy Daddy mini genisis quartz lens in the bottom of the 16mm BOSS but never got around to ordering one to see if it would fit. Might be worth a shot for $5 to have the ultimate poor man's hybrid nail for $23! the BOSS also comes in a 20mm version that could possibly use the standard black market genesis quartz insert too but I haven't tested these theories.



http://www.dhgate.com/product/boss-...table/250478716.html#s1-0-1a;searl|1644346071


http://420titanium.com/products/boss-titanium-3in1-domeless-e-nail-insert-16mm-coil

http://www.happydaddyproducts.net/product/quartz-insert/


You are going to want a carb cap for either one. Any standard Ti domeless carb cap will fit the Boss, Storm cell on the Liger.

Cheap Quartz options

http://www.dhgate.com/product/elect...oking/230298136.html#s1-3-1a;searl|3490861332

http://www.dhgate.com/store/product/domeless-quartz-e-nail-with-hook-quartz-banger/252958100.html

I hope this helps. I can post a proper carb cap for you which ever you decide. I love to help people get into this! It can get so confusing and I am a researching fool!

 

[Kanna_Kult]

I noticed the cheapest high5 went up from 109 to 112 and no longer has the option of including a flat coil, which is a real bummer because I was about to pull the trigger on it, I recently purchased a dnail slim series and sic halo with sapphire insert but I only have a torch to heat it currently. Does anyone have a recommendation for a enail (that includes the flat coil and power cord) for $200 or less, preferably closer to 100? I'm looking for something that doesn't take much adjusting or tinkering and will preform atleast as well as the high5 unit. I was looking at the Auber but I am not a fan of the decal sticker on it or the appearance at all, other than the knob

 

[DrSteez]

I noticed the cheapest high5 went up from 109 to 112 and no longer has the option of including a flat coil, which is a real bummer because I was about to pull the trigger on it, I recently purchased a dnail slim series and sic halo with sapphire insert but I only have a torch to heat it currently. Does anyone have a recommendation for a enail (that includes the flat coil and power cord) for $200 or less, preferably closer to 100? I'm looking for something that doesn't take much adjusting or tinkering and will preform atleast as well as the high5 unit. I was looking at the Auber but I am not a fan of the decal sticker on it or the appearance at all, other than the knob

It's price increased?!

 

[Kanna_Kult]

Only by $3 I'd still buy it for that if it still had the option of coming with a flat coil but now the only options are 16mm or 20mm

 

[DrSteez]

All of the options below can be chosen in the 16mm or 20mm barrel coil options. The hands down best nail for the 16mm or 20mm would be to get the Liger V2 and wait on the insert until you have more money. The best for a flat coil would be the Quartz/SiC halo on a slim body according to the peeps here. The Turtle banger posted above is a steal at $45 for sure and Josh is an awesome guy to deal with right in Colorado, USA! The Turtle hits really well too and has better temperature uniformity than a standard quartz banger plus is a little less fragile. I have both but just like the Liger better.

Barrel Vs. Flat? This is debated here a lot but I like the thermal properties of a barrel coil over my flat coil but this greatly depends on having the right nail for the coil.
I think of the flat coil conduction heated nail as more of a "frying pan" and this convection heated banger as more of a Dutch oven or crock pot of the nail world lol. Although they can both be used at the same low temps and both can be capped for low temp dabbing. The later just seems like a better form factor for low temp flavor chasing just like with cooking.


The long, drawn out, tasty dabs I can take from the smallest drop of concentrate with the Liger is crazy. The efficiency is ridiculous! I took some insane 30 second rips of Death Star Wax this morning under 600 degrees in the Liger "oven". The clouds were massive off of 1 drip off of my dab tool and the flavor was awesome!

I have all 3 types of coils to open up the nail market for me but I definitely have a favorite. Good coils can be purchased from China for $35 so no worries there anyway.



USE code FUCKCOMBUSTION to get 10% off at CCA710


http://www.cca710.com/liger/

BUT if it's cheap you are looking for there is a knock off of the BOSS nail for $18 on DH gate and it hits REALLY well. for a $18 nail. I used tons of cheap bangers and quartz because that is my preferred dabbing surface BUT this nail always tasted good and hit the best before I decided to go with a nicer option! For under $20 on a 16mm coil this is hard to beat. Plus you will break the cheap quartz, this won't break. If you go the cheapo route pick up one of these and a quartz option and see what you like... Then just go buy the Liger or other hybrid nail when you save up.

Also I was toying with the idea of using the Happy Daddy mini genisis quartz lens in the bottom of the 16mm BOSS but never got around to ordering one to see if it would fit. Might be worth a shot for $5 to have the ultimate poor man's hybrid nail for $23! the BOSS also comes in a 20mm version that could possibly use the standard black market genesis quartz insert too but I haven't tested these theories.



http://www.dhgate.com/product/boss-...table/250478716.html#s1-0-1a;searl|1644346071


http://420titanium.com/products/boss-titanium-3in1-domeless-e-nail-insert-16mm-coil

http://www.happydaddyproducts.net/product/quartz-insert/


You are going to want a carb cap for either one. Any standard Ti domeless carb cap will fit the Boss, Storm cell on the Liger.

Cheap Quartz options

http://www.dhgate.com/product/elect...oking/230298136.html#s1-3-1a;searl|3490861332

http://www.dhgate.com/store/product/domeless-quartz-e-nail-with-hook-quartz-banger/252958100.html

I hope this helps. I can post a proper carb cap for you which ever you decide. I love to help people get into this! It can get so confusing and I am a researching fool!

you are fucking awesome.

stay awesome, friend.

that's a LOT of amazingly good information, and links! Just wanted to say thanks for all of that before i start.

So i've noticed all I hear on this forum is liger liger sic halo liger. Can't be because it sucks, right? lol

SO, here's my dilema- I'm only going to be using this enail and stuff for, the most, 5 months. Then i MUST retire it as I'm moving away and I cannot bring it, under any circumstance. Infact, where I am going, my medical recommendation will have no meaning. SO, if its worth splurging for this to use for 5 months, then I'll do it. I was hesitant on spending a lot on an enail because the person who i will give this to before I leave, is very careless and probably would break it, which is fine, whatever-when I'm done with it, it's his for whatever he wants.

But, 5 months is a hell of a long time. Hell, even 4 months is. So i think it might be worth it to go big on the nail section. So as this might be kind of long, I'll categorize it, or atleast I'll try.

NAILS

Liger vs Liger v2.
what's the difference? is it significant to just get the v2 than sticking with the cheaper v1?
what CANT this fit on? Up until today, i was almost dead set on the highfive vape. unfortunately, they've raised their prices and have been absolutely unresponsive for the past 2 days...which sketches me out a bit; kind of depressing, but whatever, maybe this was a sign not to buy the highfive.


BOSS

Ok! that was a fucking fantastic find! Fuck paying the extra 40$. I'll probably get the boss copy just cause/backup ) (getting the dhgate version) I dont know if that glass quartz dish thing will fit... lets try?


Quartz BANGERS and the DOMELESS

yea, I was planning on picking one up from hyman anyways. I know during a party or whatever, I'll forget or something will happen and it will break. Hopefully never, but its definitely a possibiilty (rushing out the door, turn off the enail, forget to take the quartz off first, come home to it shattered on my desk lol)
However, I've noticed that its only about 5$ extra on highfives' site. Although..dont know if I'm going to get that or not...which moves us on to..


ENAILS

So, as you might have noticed, I WAS going to get the highfive enail. Unfortunately, they havn't been around to answer any of my questions for the past few days AND now I see they have increased their prices for the enail (albeit 3 more dollars, lol. BUT STILL!)

The homie above suggested aubern controller. If i do that, I'll have to buy the coil to go with it seperately, right? So, its just controller+coil?


For this category, i've come to realize (could be wrong here!) that most boxes are made in China, and that for atleast 6 months I wont have to worry about anything before shit might hit the fan; is this correct in believing?

So option could be aubern controller and d-nail heater which would make it around 200$ ish i believe. OR 120 if you get the cheapest auberin controller ( of which makes me more confused-- I dont know much about this..:/)

CARB CAPS

care to share your knowledge?

 

[DrSteez]

Only by $3 I'd still buy it for that if it still had the option of coming with a flat coil but now the only options are 16mm or 20mm

you prefer flat coiL?

 

[Kanna_Kult]

you prefer flat coiL?

I've never used one the only enail I've ever hit was my buddy's old d nail with a 20mm coil and Ti nail, but the nail I just bought (d nail slim + sic halo) is only compatible with flat coils and after what I spent on the nail I don't want to have to buy another, maybe in several months I'll buy a liger and barrel coil but i can't justify spending another 100-200 on a nail any time soon and I'd like to stop using the torch ASAP

 

[weenstoned]

@Kanna_Kult I would recommend the auber rdk 200. If you buy just the box it is $70 and then you can get a flat coil from hyman quartz on dhgate for about $30

@DrSteez if you're really only able to use it for a few months I would suggest just a torch and banger. If you use a timer to get low temp dabbing down the flavor is basically as good as an enail (other than maybe fancier nails like the liger or dnail)

 

[DrSteez]

@Kanna_Kult I would recommend the auber rdk 200. If you buy just the box it is $70 and then you can get a flat coil from hyman quartz on dhgate for about $30

@DrSteez if you're really only able to use it for a few months I would suggest just a torch and banger. If you use a timer to get low temp dabbing down the flavor is basically as good as an enail (other than maybe fancier nails like the liger or dnail)

Yea but I'd rather pay extra for the convenience (enail) for the 5 months I'm going to use it for than keep using the torch. Super over the torch haba