Next gen - One hit - 100% extraction devices?

[MileHighHuman]

Has heater technology advanced as far as its gonna go for awhile, or will we soon (if ever) see any vaporizers that can extract all the cannabinoids in one single hit?

Obviously there are vapes out there available for sale now that come close to this goal of mine, but they all still usually require one more whispy hit to get everything fully extracted.

Then yes, I do understand there are edibles/tincture extractions for avb, but id really like to throw .2 or so into my device and have everything extracted / vaporized (within a few seconds or instantly if possible lol)

It seems that extraction time is my biggest complaint with the vapes for sale today. Just takes too long in my opinion to get everything extracted. Dumping/wasting isn't my issue. Id just like to avoid whips hits and get like 2 lung busting hits. Rather than one lung busting hit, along with multiple whispy hits. That make sense?

 

[natural farmer]

The Vapcap is the closest thing to a one hitter buddy!!! Not easy to one hit a whole load of 0.1g (better to go double-hit or taste suffers) but with half that or less it shreds!!!

 

[The Beagle]

I'm having great success performing single hit full extraction using an Omnivap through my bubbler preheating it and going a couple of seconds past the heating clicks. I could do the same thing with the Lotus but it's slightly easier to combust with it. The Vapman can somehow work this way but is not designed to do this kind of job. I have no experience with them but the Sticky Bricks and especially the Supreme are also butane vapes that should work very well. Also check some water specific unit like the already mentioned Flowerpot, the Herborizer Ti or the Sublimator.

 

[AJS]

Supreme v3 comes close?
Also wasn't Magic-Flight working on something along those lines?

Great question though. I imagine you're going to get a lot of responses of people thinking their vape does this, but you're right .. there really isn't a 100% perfect solution yet.

I want to throw my herb into a chamber, press a button, and that shit fucking poofs into a wicked cloud of perfect vapor ready for my suckage. One day man, it'll be here.

 

[DieHard]

For me the Errlectric Herb Nail comes very close. This depends on load size and how dry the herb is. I can usually get everything out (that I want anyway) with one lungbuster. The herb is constantly spinning so there is no stirring. And the AVB comes out surprisingly light colored for the level of extraction. And the flavor is amazing.

 

[Justpassedu]

NewVape FlowerPot

 

[muunch]

+1 for flowerpot+showerhead

can def get all your goodies in one, chest-numbing rip.

I'm very interested to see where tech goes from here, bc this feels like the pinnacle. once a heater like this is in a portable form factor...

 

[Aimless Ryan]

Technology is not going to change anything. Everything that will ever be done can already be done with fire. Instantly. Before anything changes, producers need to start better understanding thermodynamics.

 

[Likes2vape]

The New Vape Flower Pot is king at 1 hit extraction 100%!! It can be done in the SV3 too.

 

[Aimless Ryan]

You want one badass hit? Do this. Basically free.

 

[FlyingLow]

Lotus. BUT you must first learn how to drive with this, as combustion will happen if you push limits before you understand and get experienced with the unit.

No matter if it is through their Al. stem or WPA, it can be learned to extract in one pull.
My technique is to constantly spin the cap while torching and moving the "dot" around.

 

[Mr. Gweilo 420]

You want one badass hit? Do this. Basically free.

Do you know Vapewithfire?

Grasshopper extracts well if it functions. Vapcap great for quick hits but I tend to get a few draws.

 

[Aimless Ryan]

Do you know Vapewithfire?

Is that a product? User name?

 

[C No Ego]

extracting from the herb all of the vapor is easy... actually benefiting from that extraction in terms of 100% bio-available absorption is another thing altogether... a huge massive cloud will be a huge massive cloud on the exhale= wasted, not absorbed vapor... it kind or reminds me of trophy vapor... people are trying to put that trophy hit on the shelf as an ( I made massive clouds!!!) YEAH!! ... and the air in my room got high and not me...

in other words slow vapor absorption that allows time for your receptors to respond is best IMO in effects and efficiency... especially important here is terpene recognition @ the receptor level... those highly volatile terpenes can augment thc/cbd etc... if they are introduced slowly...

 

[Alexis]

extracting from the herb all of the vapor is easy... actually benefiting from that extraction in terms of 100% bio-available absorption is another thing altogether... a huge massive cloud will be a huge massive cloud on the exhale= wasted, not absorbed vapor... it kind or reminds me of trophy vapor... people are trying to put that trophy hit on the shelf as an ( I made massive clouds!!!) YEAH!! ... and the air in my room got high and not me...

in other words slow vapor absorption that allows time for your receptors to respond is best IMO in effects and efficiency... especially important here is terpene recognition @ the receptor level... those highly volatile terpenes can augment thc/cbd etc... if they are introduced slowly...

Im totally with you on this C No, this type of thinking and rationale. I was thinking about it the other day, amd how I feel that I can easily be medicated all day from half a gram of good weed vaped, but I would find it hard to be as satisfied around the clock if I eat half a gram instead in well made edible form.
So for me personally, vaping is more efficient, EVEN WITH the very substantial amount of exhale! So imagine if we did absorb 100% of actives from vapor, how efficient would it be?!

So it is just a necessary trade off for the pleasure, convenience and enjoyment of vaporizing, that a portion of actives will always be kind of wasted.

I am happy to exhale active compounds, I try not too, but comfort and enjoyment comes first.
I am very high again. I had some Think Different in the Herborizer, about 0.22 grams, only had half of it- SO MUCH vapor from tiny amounts of this bud! Very thought stimulating sativa effect.

I then felt like I needed some indica in the Omnivap to "chill me down" cos I was too buzzed to take the dog out!

Then it started pouring rain, so Im about to have 2nd vapcap bowl of Auto Colorado Cookies while rain dies off.


Back to point- with the XL Herborizer, it is impossible not to exhale huge clouds of vapor. It goes through bud so much quicker than the Vapcap, but the Herborizer just works differently.
That's why it is so nice to have variety and options.

With the vapcap, it can be a slower, more gradual process, with instant gratification the whole time. But I can easily avoid exhaling lots of vapor before the majority of actives have had a chance to go somewhere.

So this is one aspect that contributes to the vapcaps superb efficiency.

 

[invertedisdead]

extracting from the herb all of the vapor is easy... actually benefiting from that extraction in terms of 100% bio-available absorption is another thing altogether... a huge massive cloud will be a huge massive cloud on the exhale= wasted, not absorbed vapor... it kind or reminds me of trophy vapor... people are trying to put that trophy hit on the shelf as an ( I made massive clouds!!!) YEAH!! ... and the air in my room got high and not me...

in other words slow vapor absorption that allows time for your receptors to respond is best IMO in effects and efficiency... especially important here is terpene recognition @ the receptor level... those highly volatile terpenes can augment thc/cbd etc... if they are introduced slowly...

If you use enough heat to extract all the actives in one hit, I'd reason to believe the more volatile compounds affected at lower temperatures will suffer decomposition. The heat needed to vaporize the cannabinoids at the top end of the temperature spectrum would likely be too much for the low end. Ideally I picture steady temperature ramping to be the most gentle form of cannabinoid preserved vaporization, and I'm surprised it's not implemented in more devices.

 

[Aimless Ryan]

In my extensive glass tube and stovetorch experiment(s), I believe I have identified what seems to be something in between vapor and smoke. It's not enjoyable and it produces no clouds, but it seems to exist. It's something I have never experienced from any marketed vape. Not sure what effects it may produce.

 

[Alexis]

If you use enough heat to extract all the actives in one hit, I'd reason to believe the more volatile compounds affected at lower temperatures will suffer decomposition. The heat needed to vaporize the cannabinoids at the top end of the temperature spectrum would likely be too much for the low end. Ideally I picture steady temperature ramping to be the most gentle form of cannabinoid preserved vaporization, and I'm surprised it's not implemented in more devices.

One term, or concept that really struck out at me, came from Mark McCoy of Vriptech.
He explained how the VHW, when used correctly, extracts by way of a "thermal curve".

The primer hit, followed by primary at slow pull rate, climb the temps up gradually towards the end of the hit, and he hinted at the flaw in the fixed temp extraction concept.

Makes sense for sure, and your points are exactly as I understand it.
Mark & co also emphasise how the VHW vapor is more broad spectrum, due to the neutral polarity of the air/vapir path, and the sequential venturi flow of the heating element and bowl design.

This enables extraction of a wider range of molecules, i.e. higher temp compounds can be extracted at the same time, and in the same draw towards the end, as lower temp ones.

How true exactly this is in realtion to the VHW I honestly can't say, but Mark truly believes it and he is a lot smarter than me and no liar for sure, so I stay open.

 

[C No Ego]

Below is a list of phyto-cannabinoid temp release, boiling points etc....

Our receptor capacity to absorb heated, oxygenated active molecular compounds ( cannabinoids) in our airways where the vapor is first absorbed is limited to a few seconds...Say 5 to 10 seconds max initial absorption time before receptor absorption capacity is shut down and newly required fresh oxygen is needed to re-open receptor capacity.. this is where slow oxygen induced vapor introduction is of most importance... as an example model= Think of a balloon... add in lots of vapor to the balloon and most of it stays central while peripherally bumping the outer edges (this is your absorption tissue) and now add back in Timed oxygen dependent receptor absorption parameters and the model is clear...
So, this explains how receptor capacity in our airways works to absorb actives but what about the plant that we are targeting and all the subtle volatile compounds that represent therapeutic action?

I'd like to add here too... materiel amounts matter as in a vap cap with a tiny load... then all at once could be feasible but a vape stuffed with a gram all at once + wow

here is the chart from 2011 I used here too...
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/cbd-temperature.25149/#post-1155736

Phytocannabinoids, their boiling points, and properties


?-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC)
Boiling point: 157*C / 314.6 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Euphoriant, Analgesic, Antiinflammatory, Antioxidant, Antiemetic

cannabidiol (CBD)
Boiling point: 160-180*C / 320-356 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Anxiolytic, Analgesic, Antipsychotic, Antiinflammatory, Antioxidant, Antispasmodic

Cannabinol (CBN)
Boiling point: 185*C / 365 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Oxidation, breakdown, product, Sedative, Antibiotic

cannabichromene (CBC)
Boiling point: 220*C / 428 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Antiinflammatory, Antibiotic, Antifungal

cannabigerol (CBG)
Boiling point: MP52
Properties: Antiinflammatory, Antibiotic, Antifungal

?-8-tetrahydrocannabinol (?-8-THC)
Boiling point: 175-178*C / 347-352.4 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Resembles ?-9-THC, Less psychoactive, More stable Antiemetic

tetrahydrocannabivarin (THCV)
Boiling point: < 220*C / <428 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Analgesic, Euphoriant

ß-caryophyllene
Boiling point: 119*C / 246.2 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Antiinflammatory, Cytoprotective (gastric mucosa), Antimalarial


Terpenoid essential oils, their boiling points, and properties


ß-myrcene
Boiling point: 166-168*C / 330.8-334.4 degree Fahrenheit, Properties: Analgesic. Antiinflammatory, Antibiotic, Antimutagenic


d-limonene
Boiling point: 177*C / 350.6 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Cannabinoid agonist?, Immune potentiator, Antidepressant, Antimutagenic

linalool
Boiling point: 198*C / 388.4 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Sedative, Antidepressant, Anxiolytic, Immune potentiator

pulegone
Boiling point: 224*C / 435.2 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Memory booster?, AChE inhibitor, Sedative, Antipyretic

1,8-cineole (eucalyptol)
Boiling point: 176*C / 348.8 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: AChE inhibitor, Increases cerebral, blood flow, Stimulant, Antibiotic, Antiviral, Antiinflammatory, Antinociceptive

a-pinene
Boiling point: 156*C / 312.8 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Antiinflammatory, Bronchodilator, Stimulant, Antibiotic, Antineoplastic, AChE inhibitor

a-terpineol
Boiling point: 217-218*C / 422.6-424.4 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Sedative, Antibiotic, AChE inhibitor, Antioxidant, Antimalarial

terpineol-4-ol
Boiling point: 209*C / 408.2 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: AChE inhibitor. Antibiotic

p-cymene
Boiling point: 177*C / 350.6 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Antibiotic, Anticandidal, AChE inhibitor



Flavonoid and phytosterol components, their boiling points, and properties


apigenin
Boiling point: 178*C / 352.4 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Anxiolytic, Antiinflammatory, Estrogenic

quercetin
Boiling point: 250*C / 482 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Antioxidant, Antimutagenic, Antiviral, Antineoplastic

cannflavin A
Boiling point: 182*C / 359.6 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: COX inhibitor, LO inhibitor

ß-sitosterol
Boiling point: 134*C / 273.2 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Antiinflammatory, 5-a-reductase, inhibitor

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