Next best bongvape to the Cloud?

[lreindl]

Morning FC,

My journey of vaporizing has been a short one (started with the infamous MFLB, combusted for a couple years, then bought my Cloud) and I'm trying to find a bongvape that is...
...in the $100-300 range
...comparable to the Cloud in visible vapor, effectiveness
...connectable to a 18mm fitting/Mobius Ion.
...easy to use, low risk of combustion, CONSISTENT hits (this is a big one!)

I can buy adapters if needed. What would you go with?

LR

 

[lwien]

LSV

But being that you already have a Cloud, why are you looking for a vape that basically does the same thing?

 

[that herb guy]

Morning FC,

My journey of vaporizing has been a short one (started with the infamous MFLB, combusted for a couple years, then bought my Cloud) and I'm trying to find a bongvape that is...
...in the $100-300 range
...comparable to the Cloud in visible vapor, effectiveness
...connectable to a 18mm fitting/Mobius Ion.
...easy to use, low risk of combustion, CONSISTENT hits (this is a big one!)

I can buy adapters if needed. What would you go with?

LR

Log vape. Heat Island if you don't mind a wait, have heard good things about epic vape, personally own an underdog. Definitely possible to combust with (can be fixed with variable supply source) but gives great hits. Combusters come over and leave loving the shit. The price is a little off putting for some who don't get the 'you get what you pay for' (I paid >$200 for mine), but that's really the only bad thing I've ever had brought up after a couple of rounds of fog.

You probably won't find many like the cloud that have 'built in' adapters to water pieces, but GonG adapters are widely available.

Could also look into the 7th floor products, LSV is supposed to be good.

 

[lreindl]

But being that you already have a Cloud, why are you looking for a vape that basically does the same thing?

Might be selling the Cloud.

And thank you for your input; I have looked into LSV and UD.

 

[SD_haze]

Might be selling the Cloud.

And thank you for your input; I have looked into LSV and UD.

Even owning a nice vapexhale cloud, nowadays I end up using my underdog hooked up to the bong like 50% of the time.

I'd say the LSV might be a better choice if you like packing a large load. The UD doesn't have the tiniest load size, but you can go very very little while still milking glass.
Also, for me, the new "WonG" (wood on glass) stem by UD is as pleasurable to use as the GonG fitting of the cloud. To be honest, if my cloud broke I'm not sure I would bother with another one at full retail price when my UD milks the glass just fine.

But I might go with the HI if I was very very patient

 

[way2]

I'd recommend the LSV! the price is right and it can produce clouds!!(I've never used a cloud) The shorty WPA is a must have accessory IMO too. I never use the tall one. The long transfer wand is also good for a tasty sesh!

 

[stickstones]

LSV...check my sig

 

[shredhead]

I gotta be the first to say........ E-Nano!! Low air restriction, massive "cloud" like rips. Simple log vape concept. 2min heat up time. And the price you can't beat....I've tried the cloud and this is one of the closest in comparison, unless somehow the solo got amazing airflow and could still pump the vapor......

 

[ehakim]

Solo anyone?

 

[lwien]

I gotta be the first to say........ E-Nano!! Low air restriction, massive "cloud" like rips. Simple log vape concept. 2min heat up time. And the price you can't beat....I've tried the cloud and this is one of the closest in comparison, unless somehow the solo got amazing airflow and could still pump the vapor......

The LSV has amazing airflow and can still pump out the vapor.

 

[stickstones]

The LSV air path is second only to the Cloud in my collection for taste. The ceramic/glass is an improvement over ss/plastics.

 

[charliedontsurf]

How does the VHW 3.0 (Vriptech Heat Wand) never come up immediately when this question is asked? It has 100% glass airpath, is very affordable, has computer temperature regulation, has very good airflow, and is a proven and beloved design. It's nowhere near as durable or dead simple as the LSV but technologically it's like comparing a bicycle and a motorcycle.

 

[Deadshort480]

How does the VHW 3.0 (Vriptech Heat Wand) never come up immediately when this question is asked? It has 100% glass airpath, is very affordable, has computer temperature regulation, has very good airflow, and is a proven and beloved design. It's nowhere near as durable or dead simple as the LSV but technologically it's like comparing a bicycle and a motorcycle.

It just seems so damn fragile. The VHW was suggested to me at the time I was looking for a new vaporizer, before I bought my LSV. I probably would have purchased it if not for its fragility. The LSV is definitely more stout and easier to repair of something goes awry. For two vaporizers at the same price that basically do the same thing, the LSV won, hands down, for me. It's been yanked off the coffee table a half dozen times with no issue. Granted, it fell onto carpet, but I just don't think the VHW would have survived.

I have to disagree with the bicycle/motorcycle analogy. Maybe a comparison of a BMX to a Mountain Bike?

 

[stickstones]

I have to disagree with the bicycle/motorcycle analogy. Maybe a comparison of a BMX to a Mountain Bike?

I don't think either of those comparisons works. I've never tried a VHW, but it's gotta be somewhere between the LSV and Cloud at best, so how much better could it be compared to the LSV? What I didn't like about the VHW was the price after I started adding all the accessories I wanted. The only accessory for the LSV that is not included is a WPA, and often times the vendor will throw that in as well.

 

[max]

CONSISTENT hits (this is a big one!)

........ E-Nano!! Low air restriction, massive "cloud" like rips.

At home I currently use both the Cloud and the e-nano. For the e-nano air restriction depends on how you load it, and I can get bigger hits out of any whip vape. Mating with glass is a different story, but then that's the case with most models.

A lot of small vapes can be big hitters if you use 'em with water filtration. Maintaining a constant temp with varying draw speeds is a different story though. That's where the Cloud shines and most others stumble unless they have a heat exchanger with sufficient mass or a sophisticated temp control to keep the temp steady. Most models are gonna require synching your chosen temp with a consistent draw speed.

 

[thesoloman]

Solo anyone?

this was my thought, a solo hooked up to a water pipe gives some crazy good rips. like i've had the whole coughing fit from takin to large of rip.. and this is rare for me,

 

[stickstones]

yeah, but we are looking for a Cloud backup. It's gotta be something that hits hard with a wide open airflow and good taste. The Solo's restriction eliminates it, imo.

 

[thesoloman]

yeah, but we are looking for a Cloud backup. It's gotta be something that hits hard with a wide open airflow and good taste. The Solo's restriction eliminates it, imo.

you haven't experienced the double-cup then, no NOT LEAN. two solos hooked up to a glass splitter to a sovernty stemline(: so awesome

 

[stickstones]

now we are over $300 on the best of days for two Solos.

 

[thesoloman]

i guess 2 solos at 160= $320
sovernty at $320
splitter at $25
$665 total damn
i guess name brand filtration costs money ):

 

[charliedontsurf]

I don't think either of those comparisons works. I've never tried a VHW, but it's gotta be somewhere between the LSV and Cloud at best, so how much better could it be compared to the LSV? What I didn't like about the VHW was the price after I started adding all the accessories I wanted. The only accessory for the LSV that is not included is a WPA, and often times the vendor will throw that in as well.

It just seems so damn fragile. The VHW was suggested to me at the time I was looking for a new vaporizer, before I bought my LSV. I probably would have purchased it if not for its fragility. The LSV is definitely more stout and easier to repair of something goes awry. For two vaporizers at the same price that basically do the same thing, the LSV won, hands down, for me. It's been yanked off the coffee table a half dozen times with no issue. Granted, it fell onto carpet, but I just don't think the VHW would have survived.

The VHW has a 99% glass airpath with electronic temperature control, and having owned both it and the LSV, it blows the LSV out of the water as far as purity is concerned. It was really a Cloud before there was a Cloud, in the sense it gave us a pure airpath with regulated heat, and not a glass cover jammed over a stick heater with a dimmer switch, ala the LSV. My VHW has survived precisely one drop from a 4 foot table onto carpet without incident, but I definitely wouldn't drop it again. That having been said, it has operated for several hundred hours without any issues at all, and that's just during my ownership.

I love the VHW. I wish I bought it as my first home vape, instead of going through so many different Vaporizers, including the DBV and LSV, which were basically just lateral movements. before finally splurging on the VHW. Someday I would like a Cloud, but right now I'm perfectly content with the flavor and excellent vapor density of the VHW.

Sticks, you do have a excellent point about the price of accessories, as the full bowl setup costs I think in excess of $50 or $60 bucks. I got mine used and that definitely made things easier, but all the same I prefer to use a large, funnel-style bowl which I find works better for my purposes, the type you could pick up at any headshop for $10 or $20.

 

[stickstones]

thanks for chiming in, cds...my comparisons to the VHW's performance are purely speculative.

What's the 1% of the airpath that is not glass?

I remember stonemonkey raving about the VHW before he invented the Cloud. In fact, I think his unit takes some inspiration from it.

 

[charliedontsurf]

thanks for chiming in, cds...my comparisons to the VHW's performance are purely speculative.

What's the 1% of the airpath that is not glass?

I remember stonemonkey raving about the VHW before he invented the Cloud. In fact, I think his unit takes some inspiration from it.

A stainless steel screen and a high temperature silicone gasket which I haven't used in years.

Yeah iirc it was Stonemonkey's go-to before the Cloud came to be.

Cheers!

 

[OO]

Simply put the HA has all the bases covered.
It's in the price range.
I cannot complain about effectiveness, and it can make visible vapor that will hurt like no tomorrow it's so thick.
The factory mouthpiece is effective for GonG duty, though there is an aftermarket GonG mouthpiece available but not from the manufacturer themselves.
There is no learning curve, the unit is incredibly reliable, and it is extremely consistent, owing to a feature the cloud uses called a thermostat (the heat input to the exchanger adapts to changes in airflow to keep temperatures uniform).

I love it, I've done things to it that would break many other vapes, I've only manage to have it combust when used in a car with the incorrect form of adapter. It comes with bag and whip options in addition to direct draw, and you don't even have to grind.

It's also fairly cheap if you look on amazon. The choice is yours.

 

[Kevdog420]

Simply put the HA has all the bases covered.
It's in the price range.
I cannot complain about effectiveness, and it can make visible vapor that will hurt like no tomorrow it's so thick.
The factory mouthpiece is effective for GonG duty, though there is an aftermarket GonG mouthpiece available but not from the manufacturer themselves.
There is no learning curve, the unit is incredibly reliable, and it is extremely consistent, owing to a feature the cloud uses called a thermostat (the heat input to the exchanger adapts to changes in airflow to keep temperatures uniform).

I love it, I've done things to it that would break many other vapes, I've only manage to have it combust when used in a car with the incorrect form of adapter. It comes with bag and whip options in addition to direct draw, and you don't even have to grind.

It's also fairly cheap if you look on amazon. The choice is yours.

I can second this.. Honestly it's the best vape for the money according to what your looking for. I've used most of the vapes mentioned in this thread, and while some have nice fancy features, the HA competes with all of them in terms of efficiency and vapor production. I have also done things to my HA that would have broke 90% of all vapes on the market (dropped it from 8 feet onto cement) and it still works fine. I use mine with a gong adapter and haven't ever questioned it once.