New to FC - Trying to find some info to make a decision

[thecrook]

Hi there I’m crook, I’ve learnt to grow from other forums but struggling to find the info needed to decide wether to go down the bubble hash route or bho

I not made of money and know the bubble bag method is going to be much cheaper but i also seen how when used to do oil runs (unsafely back when first heard about oil) that you get a much greater yield normally compared to the bubble hash runs I’ve seen online.

In the uk i can get 8 bag 5 gallon BB kit , wash bag and small camping washing machine to make the hash along with all the pizza boxes , parchment paper , strainers i need easily enough and the cost is something i can buy this week.

My other option is too follow my want to start making BHO properly but without a closed loop system until money allows for one. I know i can’t distill my butane or re cover it from the weed left in CLS but I’m only going to be running the air bud and trim from a 250w cupboard and a 600w tent so isn’t a big operation .

Can get zero impurities cans of butane but thats best i know personally that i can obtain in the uk

Buying a chamber and pump is the hardest thing to accomplish in the uk, they sell aluminium,stainless steel or small pyrex (but the stainless steel and pyrex ones aren’t even a gallon size, the aluminium ones start at 3 gallons and go up to five with a 1.5/3/4 cf pump . Does it matter what material the chamber is made from if I’m probably going to of evaded most butane from the product and have seen people using raw parchment to purge in the chamber in.

is there any difference in the one and 2 stage pumps when used with butane or are all pumps suitable to pull a vacuum on something that contains butane , worried I’m gonna kill myself lol.

Ive seen a lot of stuff where people spraying into a pyrex cup nowadays and then freezing the butane mix for 24 hours and then pouring through filters, back into freezer while drains and then back into a larger pyrex to remove most the butane;

A: Is it a butane mix they are freezing to remove the unwanted stuff, is it safe to freeze butane or is that another fire risk?

B: If it is a butane mix and not an alcohol one after you’ve removed most of the butane , do i need to then re resolve in alcohol after I’ve dewaxed ( if thats indeed what that process is) or am i just getting this all wrong lol.

Im hoping i can make bho with a chamber and not an oven as i dont want some huge oven in my room jus too make oil once every 3 months .

Anyones thoughts as BHO makers wether with a Chamber setup at home wether i can make oil clean enough to warrant smoking it without fear for my health , or wether i should just dream on and just make bubble hash for the minute ?

Ill probably remember a lot more i unsure about once i posted this but i can just add more if anyone has time to try and point mien the right direction

many thanks guys

 

[h3rbalist]

Hi crook



I too am seeking answers to most of the questions you are asking. There is this brilliant thread

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/concentrates-for-noobs-q-a.13783/

I suggest you check it out and post there pal.

Good luck.

I'll be watching.

 

[thecrook]

Thanks herbalist , I just saw that a minute ago reading it now, i think i know process for making bho normally but i bet techs changed a lot since i made it so gonna see what i can learn from that thread , many thanks .

 

[h3rbalist]

Pleasure dude.

Hey, also have a read here ...

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/rosin-technique-easy-diy-solventless.17470/

 

[thecrook]

yeah I’ve seen rosin on hash church etc and made some myself with straighteners but not really greatest yield to what you put in again , which is why i first thought of doing something other than bubble. If got a press and tea bags so could press air buds etc in tea bags then would be ok.

I seen quick run iso and stuff too which looks an effective way but probably horrible to smoke i bet . I dont think i can get ethanol affordably here in uk , if i bought a litre wud have to buy something to recover the alcohol every run because is so expensive with all the duty u have to pay on it.

i do eventually want to buy a closed loop if go butane way seen these cool inline dew axing ones on US based site that also do cheaper vac ovens too.

 

[h3rbalist]

i do eventually want to buy a closed loop if go butane way seen these cool inline dew axing ones on US based site that also do cheaper vac ovens too.

Do you have a link for that?

PM me if you want prices on ethanol. My friend has a cleaning supply shop and could probably order some in for you.

 

[thecrook]

just about to order my vac etc

gone for a 3 gallon vac chamber
2 stage 4 cfm pump
heat controlled heat pad for chamber
12 cans of 400ml newport tane
28g spray tube
1l of food grade iso (to spray clean everything at end and possibly winterise)
50m of parchment (the bleached one unfortunately)
Hand held thermometer gun
and some coffee filters until i work out which lab filters i need lol

anything I’m missing?

 

[NorVape]

QWISO when done right is not at all horrible to smoke, and is a safer alternative to BHO. I made shatter on my first run.

But look more into rosin. Making rosin from hash gets you high yields

 

[Melting Pot]

just about to order my vac etc

gone for a 3 gallon vac chamber
2 stage 4 cfm pump
heat controlled heat pad for chamber
12 cans of 400ml newport tane
28g spray tube
1l of food grade iso (to spray clean everything at end and possibly winterise)
50m of parchment (the bleached one unfortunately)
Hand held thermometer gun
and some coffee filters until i work out which lab filters i need lol

anything I’m missing?

Ditch the coffee filters & get some S/S screen.can't remember mine is 15 mic. or 20
Get some ptfe sheets blast right on to that no scrape better results purge on same paper...
something to think about

 

[tepictoton]

For ss screens look into 316twholesale, get some 25 micron sheets and you will never need a coffee filter...

There shipping(to Europe) is lightning fast and very reasonably priced.

Not sure about blasting into ptfe sheets... Some say there might be issued with that. Tried it myself but made bigger mess then scraping... Your miles may vary hihi

 

[thecrook]

thank you for the info about the filters I’ve seen the ones that they sell with the Waxy tubes the 50 micron ones but didn’t think would be fine enough seeings as coffee filters are between 5 and 20 micron i believe.
Also looked into lab filters but they are confusing as hell. As my knowledge is expanding I’m realising quickly I’ve missed a couple of things off the list that seem essential;

Buchner funnel and vac assisted flask and ethanol that i now know is essential to winterise my product after making it so will have to work out the Lab filter situation soon lol. But was planning on blasting into either a pyrex cup or kiln jar , waiting until all the butane is gone then using the ethanol and freezing that after my first misconception that i was going to be freezing liquid butane pmsfl could of been silly mistake.

 

[tepictoton]

Could have been a loud mistake (not to mention deadly...) ...

This is exactly why I do not like cls. The positives do NOT outway the negatives for me. I mean, when open blasting we are talking about small amounts of butane with relatively low pressures, with cls you are talking liters at a time under high pressure....

Edit: And I can attest to the fact that the 50micron will be good enough for most filtering when winterizing. Just make sure you keep your mixture(ethanol, or if possible grain alcohol/everclear, and your extract) in the freezer at least 48hours on the highest (lowest possible temperature) you can. In my experience this made more difference then switching to a smaller micron filter. Believe me, you will be astonished how much you can clean out with this simple process.

I can attest to the efficiency of winterizing with 50micron filter also with a test they did for me at the amsterdam cannabis college: simple BHO was about 60procent thc, where as same bho but winterized came out to 85% plus thc. There was more then 20%loss in weight after filtering) They actually repeated the last test several times because they had never seen anything that tested this high. They know me really well, know my methods, and as such where surprised some-one without a real lab set-up could accomplish this....Needless to say I walked around with a huge smile on my face for days after that...still smiling whenever I think of it hihi

And a little sidenote/tip. Do no throw away what you filter out, but keep it to enhance topicals you make. The stuff you pull out is nasty to vape, but has some medicinal properties when used externally...

Be safe

 

[seaofgreens]

If I was you I would go with the bubble bags.

Here is why:

You will have trim.

So, you should get some dry sift screens (316t wholesale is great for this again.) and bubble bags.

Do a quick dry sift (a la sift wizard technique, wherever that is.)

Take that material and do a bubble run.

Take that wet material and dry it back out.

Grind the trim/popcorn into coarse grind.

Throw that into the freezer after bone dry with 190 grain alcohol

Do a QWET run, maybe just do a and b wash, maybe a c.

Done.

You will have gotten more that way through safer, easier means.

 

[thecrook]

thanks for your input my original idea was solvent less with bubble bags freshly frozen material etc then dry out and make iso hash

But after days of research i opted with the butane method followed up by winterising it and vacuum purging
just looks to pretty to be true hehe.

I will buy some bubble bags in the future but for now when all this lab stuff turns up ill be doing this as safely as humanly possible. lol

 

[seaofgreens]

Well, good luck. Seems like a waste of money to me. I've gotten the same taste/yield from most bho I've seen/tried with just a bottle of everclear and a 10 micron s/s filter. Then I don't have to blast into ethanol for winterizing.

Do what ye will of course.

 

[tepictoton]

Hey sea of green. Tell us more, because that answer is kind of vague.

And to my knowledge and in my experience I have never gotten the same returns from ethanol washes as from butane. Wish it was different, but that is my experience.

Also, no need to get upset, truth is what works for you might not work for others, and other way around. So let's focus on helping out with giving information, without asking to change the course of the direction...

In the end it is up to each and every one of us to try what sounds best. I got up to about 80%of return of bho with ethanol washes, but never got that as nicely amber a the bho,there would always be a vague green tint to it. And I know this is from stretching the limits, aka soaking to long in this case, but without soaking longer returns would further diminish...

Again, be safe with whatever you decide to do

 

[thecrook]

i just like the idea of extracting using butane as is relatively cheap and then using a very small amount of ethanol which has a huge duty added to it in the uk to winterise with. Obviously I’m under no disillusion to how dangerous butane can be but thats why I’m trying to research properly before trying to make it properly. I do appreciate your input tho as is always nice to have a different prospective on a situation.

Ive open sprayed in past and just warm water bathed for days but this was years ago when it first became a bit of a Fad , Now we know more about the product I’m happy to jump on board and give it another go and get to see the difference in end product quality .

If its no good ill message you saying how i should of just got bags and a bottle of ethanol lol

 

[seaofgreens]

I certainly didn't mean to come across as upset, assuming I am/was the person getting upset? Just was trying to do a: "to each his own," sort of sentiment.

I feel that you could comfortable pull 22-30%+ from a combined methodology. 2-3% from dry sift, 10-12%+ from bubble, 10%-15%+ from ethanol extraction.

Or you could just blast the same 22%+ returns with BHO. Either way it will turn out great!

 

[DabComa]

Just a warning to the original poster, and anyone else curious about the particular level of safety involved with leaving an open ( or closed ) medium of C4H10 (butane) or other solvents related to extracting in the the freezer. Solvents as just about anyone reading this knows are extremely flammable. With that said, it is safe to leave in your freezer SO LONG AS IT DOES NOT have a automatic defrost feature. When your freezer with automatic defrosting begins to defrost your freezer, it heats a heating element inside similar to the way an oven does, but obviously nowhere near the degree that an oven will heat. But any sort of element heating in an enclosed enviroment with a volatile gas will result in unfavorable results, so just make sure that the freezer you decide to use DOES NOT have a auto defrost feature and you won't have an issue.

And a tip I give anyone planning on doing a BHO run for the most efficient pull, it is critical that you use a tube that tightly fits the amount of loading material, the more pressure and therefore resistance to the butane going through the tube, the more time it will spend traveling through the medium, the more viable material it will be able to obtain from the plant material.

Assuming of course you go the butane route, which when done properly, I find much more efficient then other methods.

The true test of efficiency is to apply your selected method of extraction twice, and see the difference in amounts between extraction 1 and extraction 2, butane done properly, in my experience, is the most efficient method of achieving full extraction from the starting material. And can be even done safely without the use of a vacuum.

Hope it helps.