New to dry herb vaporization.

[SourHammer]

Im kinda brand new the world of dry herb vaping, I tried it back in the late 80s with a dome type vaporizer that is basically just a soldering iron with a cup on the end inside of a glass dome, needless to say that method was mostly for gimmick because it was pretty nasty. Now, Ive recently gotten ahold of a cheap Randys Echo and I am really enjoying the flavors I get off of it. I also still really enjoy the ritual of twisting up a fat goober and sitting down outside and puffing away, but since I have starting dry herb vaping, my Js all taste like burning wood. Is that a normal thing to not get any terp flavor at all from a j after dry herb vaping?

 

[2tiki]

It's not that you aren't getting any terp flavor after dry herb vaping. It's just that you are getting used to a much higher level of terps, so it seems like you aren't getting much from the combustion of the J. It's like people who get used to eating candy and then don't think actual fruit tastes sweet any more.

Is that a normal thing to not get any terp flavor at all from a j after dry herb vaping?

If you can afford it, I'd "highly" (*pun intended) consider reading some posts here about peoples favorite vapes and consider getting one of those. All of them will likely be a better experience than the "Echo", but most will cost anywhere from around $100-$500 or so, depending on which one you go with.

 

[EverythingsHazy]

For flavor, something convection like the E-Nano is amazing, but it is about as far from a joint as you can get, though you can hook it up to a bong (the best way to enjoy it, IMO), which is dope.

For something more similar to a joint in terms of going through the motions, the Vapcap is pretty cool, but to me, it doesn't compare to the Nano, nor does it offer anywhere close to the same level of control you have over the temp. A lot of people here love it, though, and it's cheap.

Even though a bag is very different from a joint, you can still fill one, and then sit outside and puff on it for a while like a joint, and a good bag vape like the Volcano can offer great flavor, and can hit hard AF since there is basically no draw resistance, allowing you to either sip on the bag for a while, or just crush the whole thing in a few massive hits. That said, the E-nano is far more efficient, but if money isn't an issue, and you don't mind going through a bit more bud, the Volcano is awesome, as well.

@2tiki is right, as well, about the flavor issue. You're likely going to find smoke to taste kind of bad, after trying vapor, because you're inhaling a bunch of ash and other crap, along with the cannabinoids/terps. It's a comparison thing. You're basically vaping, when you smoke, but also suckign up smoke. The cherry provides heat that vapes the rest of the bud, as the air flows over it, but it also overheats the burning part, and contributes ash and other unwanted byproducts. It's like burning the crap out of a nice steak. Sure, it may still taste like meat, in the middle, but the burnt part will pretty much ruin the flavor of the meal lol

 

[darkstar72]

The log suggestion is solid.
Underdog vapes comes recommended as well.

 

[LesPlenty]

I also still really enjoy the ritual of twisting up a fat goober and sitting down outside and puffing away

I smoked joints (nasty spliffs actually) for 30-odd years and that may be why I like my Roffu so much as the mouthpiece is joint-like in feeling,

That said, I hated combusting with a bong (I always coughed my ring out) but that has changed since getting into vaping, here is the same vape on a bong,

Glass collecting can become a habit that is harder to quit than tobacco...for me.
Just about all vapes (apart from a couple of S&B devices...Plenty, Volcanos) use very little herb so the savings made on weed can go toward glass and vape collecting, a much healthier way to go about Cannabis consuming with the benefit of not stinking out everything by combusting.

 

[CaptainBiffle]

I smoked joints (nasty spliffs actually) for 30-odd years and that may be why I like my Roffu so much as the mouthpiece is joint-like in feeling,

That said, I hated combusting with a bong (I always coughed my ring out) but that has changed since getting into vaping, here is the same vape on a bong,

Glass collecting can become a habit that is harder to quit than tobacco...for me.
Just about all vapes (apart from a couple of S&B devices...Plenty, Volcanos) use very little herb so the savings made on weed can go toward glass and vape collecting, a much healthier way to go about Cannabis consuming with the benefit of not stinking out everything by combusting.

Are the effects like a joint? Trying to make the switch and find a good dry herb vape

 

[LesPlenty]

Are the effects like a joint?

Not as 'stoney' but much cleaner. You can get a bit more of a stoney effect (helps with sleep in my case) by using stainless steel dosing capsules (in most vapes) as the added mass retains heat as your session goes and can help bake the herbs for you.

 

[CaptainBiffle]

Not as 'stoney' but much cleaner. You can get a bit more of a stoney effect (helps with sleep in my case) by using stainless steel dosing capsules (in most vapes) as the added mass retains heat as your session goes and can help bake the herbs for you.

I'm not sure what you mean by cleaner, but I like the "stoned" feeling, I find it helps me stay on the tredmill and get chores done for some reason. 510 vapes I would always describe as "digital" which I wish I could explain, and would never get me to that stoney place. I have no idea what steel dosing capsules are or how to pick something with good ones lol

 

[chillAtGVC]

Dosing capsules are mostly specific to each vape as the oven size varies. I don't use them, don't like fiddling with them. I think they are talking about the body stone / couch lock. I don't find that I am missing any stoned feeling, but I usually finish up at 200C. Higher temperatures have an effect on the feeling you get. Lower temperatures taste better (more terps are still there).

 

[LesPlenty]

I find it helps me stay on the tredmill and get chores done for some reason

I would say that is the opposite to what I was describing, conduction from added mass via a dosing capsule seems to add sleepy/relaxed to the mix. If you want alert/get up and go then convection would probably suit best (I like low temp Roffu glass bowls) or even rosin dabs, my preferred 'during the day' pain relief is rosin dabs and finish the day with flower/buds/even capsules for the relaxing properties...just the way I medicate/roll.

 

[Caketron]

510 vapes I would always describe as "digital" which I wish I could explain, and would never get me to that stoney place.

I like to describe this as the "hollow high".

Like "yeah I'm high, I guess but, where's the rest of it?"

Most carts are just THC distillate without any of the fun terps or secondary cannabinoids that make the plant what it is.

Look for live resin or rosin carts and I think you'll notice a difference.

 

[CaptainBiffle]

I like to describe this as the "hollow high".

Like "yeah I'm high, I guess but, where's the rest of it?"

Most carts are just THC distillate without any of the fun terps or secondary cannabinoids that make the plant what it is.

Look for live resin or rosin carts and I think you'll notice a difference.

Yeah, that's a good way to put it, I BELIEVE I've done live resin and the difference wasn't very significant for me, but I will definitely look. My understanding is that dry herb is more "healthy" than oil based vapes though, no?

 

[TigoleBitties]

Yeah, that's a good way to put it, I BELIEVE I've done live resin and the difference wasn't very significant for me, but I will definitely look. My understanding is that dry herb is more "healthy" than oil based vapes though, no?

I believe DHVs are more healthy and there is some peer-reviewed science behind this. You also have more control of the product you're vaping if you grow your own or know a reliable resource. It's very difficult to know exactly what goes into those oil based vapes.

The DHV landscape is more mature now and there are a lot of reliable and efficient vapes out there now that aren't too expensive. Find a good one that suits your needs and you definitely won't get that "hollow" high feeling.

 

[Shit Snacks]

Yeah, that's a good way to put it, I BELIEVE I've done live resin and the difference wasn't very significant for me, but I will definitely look. My understanding is that dry herb is more "healthy" than oil based vapes though, no?

Actually many would argue good oil vape is much more healthy and the most ideal way to consume with purity... However that would depend on the device you are using, and the extracts, unfortunately it is not as simple as trying live resin, that is not necessarily the best at all and that name is used for a lot of different things, can apply to a lot of different ultimate extracts so yeah just saying... Sticking with herb is inherently simpler, in theory, especially if growing too, but there are many people that press their own extracts that way so also pure simple

 

[KingNAB]

My understanding is that dry herb is more "healthy" than oil based vapes though, no?

A couple things to address here, DHVs offer the whole plant which comes with the entourage affect. So, in that sense I would say that DHVs provide more benefits than oils. @CaptainBiffle is correct in that the source material has the biggest impact and the same can be claimed for bud. With that being said, its hard to say which compounds are actually lost or retained when you "extract" from the plant material and changes method by method. Overall the DHV would be considered healthiest, if the source material is all natural. This is mainly due to the temp needed (DHVs require minimum temps) to produce vapor which can cause inflammation, ergo leading to more health issues.