Need Vaporizer Recommendations - no exposed ceramics in vapor path pls

[VWFringe]

i have a problem with breathing the air that flows directly accross the ceramic heating elements because the ceramic is porous and at those temperatures the metals outgas - not so much worried about nichrome, but other metals are used (I even read somewhere the newer instant-heat types outgas some nasty metals).

but i would like something kind of heavy hitting - something that works like a DBV or SSV but doesn't have the exposed ceramic...?

i saw pics of the arizer xtreme-q taken apart, and am surprised the air travels accross so much plastic and circuitry

i have only used a homemade eterra, homemade vapolution (current fav), homemade LB
i like to burn about 2-3x what fits into a wood vape tube
maybe i'm not giving the PD a proper chance based on my experience with the eterra i replaced the resistor in... i replaced the outer aluminum tube with 2 layers of one inch thin-walled stainless-steel tubing, and weight matched their heat-sink with 3/8" stainless tubing and 3/8" cut-washers - with pretty much same results when using theirs or mine heat exchangers. not satisfying, have to fill it three times before i'm medicated. i'd like to get done as quickly as possible.

well, if you read all that you're a real pal, thanks! i hope you know of something i'm not aware of
thanks,

 

[hemp;)goofy8cheerio]

vwfri vapexhale.com no ceramic all glass vapor path

 

[Beezleb]

Maybe check out vrip or herborizer wand vaporizers.

The vapexhale as suggested above is ideally what your looking for I think.

 

[bluntfaced]

vrip tech heat wand if you like bongs. We'll wait to see about the vapexhale I guess, could also be a solution.

 

[stinkmeaner]

i have a problem with breathing the air that flows directly accross the ceramic heating elements because the ceramic is porous and at those temperatures the metals outgas - not so much worried about nichrome, but other metals are used (I even read somewhere the newer instant-heat types outgas some nasty metals).

Your whole concept of Outgassing is corrupted, metals don't just outgass, look up the actual definition before you post your propaganda which pollutes this board with fictional word of mouth information.

Where do you get this silly information? Another message board? This does not make it a fact because some teenager spouts it off. I would worry more about the toxins in your daily life, look into your cookware, coffee maker, processed foods, and most of all your cosmetics and toxic household cleaners (these all have a far greater chance of getting into your system) You say "at those temperatures metals outgas" Those temperatures are too low too outgass and there have been no tests to prove otherwise, the one test out there is the one Storz & Bickel (Volcano Makers) did on the air quality of the Volcano vaporizer which uses an Aluminum heat exchanger.


The ceramic heating elements burn at over a thousand of degrees so if there were any impurities they would burn up during the making process or the first time they fire it up.

 

[Beezleb]

Its up to another to decide what is best for them. Not any of us. In addition, unless "you" can present data in line with a scientific paper than you are also just speaking of info taken from somewhere else. Unless the data and testing is accepted by a scientific journal than it has its doubts as it is not peer reviewed. That is the only way to be scientific, not just a test but many tests with people achieving similar results. If you search vaporizer temps it is not uncommon to see vaporization numbers different from paper to paper. This issue is not so definitive but with that said I do not think the difference are enough to realistically cause our use to matter if at all. But my point, I have not seen any testing go through a peer review process. Until it is, it is not truly/wholly scientific.

I do not believe their is any issues with ceramic but that my preference. The op has the right to decide what their preference is and if we go about such things acting ignorant toward the poster we do one thing. We hurt our forum. In this instance you risk hurting the forum for what? To feel good about jumping up and down on an op? Seems rather small and pathetic if that was your intent.

I recommend doing in part what you did, explaining what we think we know. Try educating first and keep in mind, your also likely not nearly as smart as you think you are. I know I am not.

 

[VWFringe]

stinkmeaner:

i was a trainee vacuum tech years ago, and outgassed metal parts under bell jars over ion pumps. i've always thought the contaminants were being released by the heat (i'd lite 'em up like a light bulb under vacuum, pretty the way metal recrystalizes), but i guess it's the vacuum as well

i can';t find the article about the toxic gassed emitted by the instant heat ceramic heating elements now, but it wasn't on a board (but it wasn't an MSDS either, do they make those for this type of thing?)

something else i read was about tourmaline ceramic heating elements supposedly emitting negative ions, making your hair more managable, but i could be getting that wrong. it said it's because the nichrome wire is doctored with gemstone tourmaline. that indicates to me theyre considered to be porous. i've read there;s new nano ceramic heating element where they have more precise control over the binders, and even the way it';s packed

it's my understanding they're doing different things with the heating element inside the ceramic to make it act differently,

i do see a bunch of them say roHs compliant now, but wonder when there's plastic insulation on the wires

 

[bluntfaced]

Vrip Tech Heat Wand is wrapped in boro all over like you are talking about. Also, the vapolution has an all glass path.

 

[VWFringe]

Vrip Tech Heat Wand is wrapped in boro all over like you are talking about. Also, the vapolution has an all glass path.

i do see that now, i had looked at the detail shots before but didn't understand the tube coiled, that's cool, but not the mini-whip type of answer i'm looking for - pinning it on vapexhale and bud toaster...any other suggestions something thats out now thats rohs and hits big?

 

[stinkmeaner]

stinkmeaner:

i was a trainee vacuum tech years ago, and outgassed metal parts under bell jars over ion pumps. i've always thought the contaminants were being released by the heat (i'd lite 'em up like a light bulb under vacuum, pretty the way metal recrystalizes), but i guess it's the vacuum as well

i can';t find the article about the toxic gassed emitted by the instant heat ceramic heating elements now, but it wasn't on a board (but it wasn't an MSDS either, do they make those for this type of thing?)


something else i read was about tourmaline ceramic heating elements supposedly emitting negative ions, making your hair more managable, but i could be getting that wrong. it said it's because the nichrome wire is doctored with gemstone tourmaline. that indicates to me theyre considered to be porous. i've read there;s new nano ceramic heating element where they have more precise control over the binders, and even the way it';s packed

it's my understanding they're doing different things with the heating element inside the ceramic to make it act differently,

What you are thinking about are the heating elements in HAIR DRYERS which sometimes use a heater with TOURMALINE crystals which are made up of Iron, Aluminum, Magnesium, Lithium, Potassium & Sodium. These minerals release healthy ions for hair when blow drying. These Tourmaline crystals are not a in the Nichrome Wire, they are crushed and crushed and fused to the heating area so that the air passes over them, then to the hair.

i do see a bunch of them say roHs compliant now, but wonder when there's plastic insulation on the wires

RoHs is just a group of 6 compounds so just because it says RoHs doesn't mean it is safe, I just mention this because your statement above sounded relieved that you see RoHs on some of them, if there were Heavy Metal Ions in the vaporizer air path it wouldn't be listed under RoHs.
RoHs = Lead, Mercury, Hexavalent Chromium, Cadmium, PBB & PBDE (much more to worry about in this world than these)


Keep in mind that vaporization temperature is very low between 365 F to 446F according to a study, most users from what I read and see keep it under 400 F depending on the vape model. I wouldn't worry too much about temperature however because just like age it is just a number when it comes to vaporizers, I say this because every model seems to vary based on where they are actually taking the heating temperature from (thermocouple location)

Some like the SSV just use a dimmer which doesn't react to ambient temperature changes and draw speed, this vape stays just feeds it the amount of power based on the dial location just like a dimmer on a light fixture. One thing to keep in mind is because the SSV Silver Surfer heating element is in an open air environment, the actual heater is much hotter than the surrounding air reaching your herb. This is the opposite in lets say the Bud Toaster that you mentioned which keeps the heater at the temperature that you set and it adjusts when draw or whenever it lowers. So technically the SSV heater is running at a much higher temperature than Bud Toaster to achieve the same results.

I think the Cloud is what will fit you best, it has much far more technology than the SSV or most other popular direct draw or whip based designs.