My Volcano review from a first timer

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baurman

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Hey guys, I'm a first time vaporizer convert, and my first vaporizer that I just bought is a Volcano Digit a few days ago, after all the hype of it and prestige factor, and here is what I think of it. Personally, I give it a 5/10. I really think that it's super hyped up and the way I thought was... if I wanted to buy a Vaporizer, I didn't want to just get one that was $300 when I could just spend that little extra more for the supposed "king of them all" the Volcano. But I am now having doubts about my purchase and wish I had went for a Silver Surfer Vaporizer or Da Buddha.


I find myself all over the place at which temperature I should set it at. I start off at 355-375 for my first session using about .3 grams. It took about 20 minutes and 5 bags to get me high, where as it can take me a few seconds and 4 hits to get my high from a bowl. So if you are looking to get high quickly and not want to wait about 20-30 minutes then that's another downfall. But then my second session, I tried to start at 375 then I went up all the way to 390. They all feel the same to me. I don't feel like any temperature at any of those ranges would hit me harder or be "better" than the other, that's why I'm always around. I'm still unsure at which temperature settings to constantly use. The high isn't all that I thought it would be, it's not like I'm OUT OF THE WORLD high, I just have a small head buzz. And I probably could be more higher if I loaded even more, but the point is to conserve and I usually do load two chambers once the previous one turns brown.


The whole thing that sold me about Vaporizers besides the health benefits, was the conservation. I don't feel like I'm conserving at all. I fill the same amount as I would put in a bowl, and it's only good for about 5 bags (which is what it takes for me to get high) then it's all yellow-brownish looking. When I see people talking about getting 20 hits from so little using a SSV, that makes me want it even more. I want to get blazed, then an hour-2 hours later when I'm coming down, toke up again with the same batch. I always find myself loading new batches for every time I use the Volcano, because no matter how much I try using the same one, I just feel like I'm not getting any vapor at all and just hot air.

Now on to the cleaning, the Volcano is a huge responsibility to care for. I thought the original bag was a bit too short, so I went to go get a Turkey bag, while it's a bit shorter, it's wider...but I still wasn't satisfied with the size. So I cut about 2 feet of the bag it came with to make my own. It's a tedious process to do, but I think it's the kind of thing where once you do it, you'll remember how to do it if you do it again. The downside of having a huge bag though, is you have to baby it while it's filling. Because the Volcano doesn't lock-in your filling chamber onto the tower, it'll tip over.... so while the bag is filling, you have to sit there and hold it upwards so it fills up and doesn't tip over. Another thing I don't like. Which is why it's up to personal preference if a BAG vape or WHIP vape is good for you.

My girlfriend was actually complaining that she doesn't see anything inside the bag, and I had to inform her that it's supposed to be like that because anything higher than 400* you'll just be creating smoke which defeats the purpose. But she doesn't buy it. She wants to experience smoke filling the bag, I guess. I've done a ton of searching on many forums including this one, and it really does help. I will be purchasing a "Da Buddha" Vaporizer tonight and give my review about that as well. I like Tokin's videos of him using it at 375* and extracting all that thick, milky, vapor smoke. That's what I want. And a Volcano can't do that at 375*

All in all, for the retail price of a Volcano, I will say, it's not worth it. I am lucky that I got it for much cheaper, so if you can score it used and cheaper than retail, then go for it. Vaporizing is definitely way better than smoking a bowl, because after I smoke I would always feel like my chest/lung area was going to explode and I always complained about it. I'm not really a smoker, but only did it because I didn't know about Vaporizing. I don't see how I can get my THC any other way other than Vaporizing. I will probably keep the Volcano for bragging rights and when there is a party over or something. Whenever I tell someone I have a Volcano Digit, they all get excited about it I know that it'll be a hit at a party because it's one of the most well known vaporizers out there. One last thing is, is there something to buy to use the Volcano for Aromatherapy? I know with Da Buddha Vaporizer, they have the Aroma Top where you can burn essential oils and herbs to make your room smell nice. I am very interested in this too and don't think the Volcano can even do this. Oh well. I have read nothing but good things about Da Buddha Vaporizer and can't wait to get it. Thanks for your time in reading my review.

Baurman
 
baurman,

Wick

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ive never had the pleasure to test out a volcano, but i too am fairly new to vaping, but using my herbalaire for most of it, and for the past week my iolite as well ;)

with the herbalaire though - with a whip, if i use herb i usually start off at 175C till it runs out of taste, then 185, then 195-200...
with bags i would probably start off with 185 and finish at 195-200... just to make sure it comes out moderately thick for the couple bags i manage to get out of the little bit i put (more like 0.05-0.1g depending on quality and if its just me or someone else as well... i am quite the lightweight i guess.)

basically if youre looking for thick vapor in bags, you may as well set it at your highest level (below flash point of course)
stirring the bowl and taking more hits is more of the whip style vaping i think... at least that is where i find myself using variable temperatures at times for the same effect.

the other option would be to load more herb each time... i load enough basically for that one session, but loading 3-4-5 times as much should give thicker vapor and last longer in terms of how many bags you get out of it, and maybe even allowing you to play with the temps more.
just my cheap 2c's...

oh, and welcome to the vaping society or something like that :)
nice to see someone who is willing to both glorify AND diss his cano... its quite a refreshing point of view i think ;)
 
Wick,
I have a Volcano digit and love it.
It worth every penny I spent for.
I guess it's not for everyone.
 
Big Dick Baller,

lwien

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Big Dick Baller said:
I have a Volcano digit and love it.
It worth every penny I spent for.
I guess it's not for everyone.
No vape is, BDB.
 
lwien,

Beezleb

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Sorry you didnt like the volcano. Perhaps asking some of our Volcano users which is a few around some questions and perhaps they can help you achieve better results.

I do not understand why you were not getting vapor at under 400f. That would be far from normal though I am speaking on only recent bag experience and with another brand of vaporizer. I can do very good bags at 375 but like I said that is another bag vape but I find it hard to believe they would be that far off in difference.

I wonder if your Volcano was not working properly?

The DBV is a great vape and I look forward to seeing your opinion on that.

Thought of another thing, if you was not seeing any vapor at 400f and if you were using the larger bag you made than perhaps it was just too low a vapor to air ratio or was this with the regular size bags?

Something is odd with it to me though. I think its either malfunctioning and/or you are loading to small amount for the size bag but I am merely speculating and hope that helps as that is all I can think. It just seems to me that review is far from the discussions I have seen with Volcano users so I am thinking its the unit or not enough material being loaded. By your description of not seeing any vapor and taking so long to get where you want to be it seems to me it is running at a lower temperature than what it is telling you but once again, only so much one can say without really seeing it.

Hope that was any help, hopefully some of our volcano owners and users can shed some light if it seems like a problem to them.
 
Beezleb,

baurman

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I do get light vapor in the bag, but it's very faint. I notice it way more after I exhale. I will see light white vapor while exhaling but while it's in the bag it's not that visible. It might be that I am not loading enough, though. but I wanted to load the amount I use that I would load in a bowl which is about .3. I read that it's recommended to load about .5 gram which is about 1mm and covers the screen and a pinch more, but that's way too much for me to be loading for just 1 day. An 8th usually lasts me about 2 weeks when I used a bowl, I wanted to cut that in half and make it last for a month by vaporizing so loading more kinda defeats the point for me. Or it is also because I made a huge bag that way I didn't have to load the stock bag 5 times. This new bag I do, I just fill it up twice and I start to feel stoned but I don't get the a couch-lock stoney feeling that I get when smoking. Although I do notice my eyes get puffier and redder than smoking. This thing literally made my eyes blood shot, that's for sure.

I tried to get a picture of my bag, but it started to tip over when I let it go.

cano1.jpg


I refuse to go over 400*F because then the weed will just turn black. and I'm trying to save up all my vape poo. Also, I thought it was a good thing that you don't see the vapor in the bag and only see it when you exhale? I could probably load a bowl and test it out at 400*F+ to see if the weed turns black, and if I see darker vapor to see that the unit isn't malfunctioned. However, the weed already turns lightly brown at 365*F so with that, I'm sure that it works. I didn't question it because when I exhale, I do see vapor coming out.
 
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lwien

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For one thing, if you want to conserve weed, use a smaller bag. Also, there's nothing stating that you need to fill the whole bag. If you try to fill a whole bag while trying to use less weed, you're going to be getting more air in the bag than vapor.

With that being said, I also think that there are more efficient vapes out there that encourages one to use less weed than the bag vapes do.

If efficiency was at the top of your list, I sure wouldn't recommend the 'Cano.
 
lwien,

baurman

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For efficiency, I definitely want a Purple Days personally for myself. But I am waiting to snatch one up on eBay, Craigslist or something because that looks like a pretty lengthy wait list. It's up to like 3-4 months now.


I will keep the Volcano, but probably bring it out only when I have friends over that want to use it. But I am very anxious to try a DBV. I went to my local smoke shops to get it but they don't even carry it so I had to order it from an online retailer so I'll probably get it by the end of this week.
 
baurman,

lwien

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baurman said:
For efficiency, I definitely want a Purple Days personally for myself. But I am waiting to snatch one up on eBay, Craigslist or something because that looks like a pretty lengthy wait list. It's up to like 3-4 months now.
If you're handy and like building things, Purple Days has a DIY PD kit that has only about a 2 week wait.
 
lwien,

t00fatt

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Never used a cano, but i had an herbalaire for years which is another bag vape. A bag half that size would be the biggest i ever made, big bags are cool for showing off but don't really offer much, the longer the vapor sits in the bag the more vapor condenses on the bag. If your using crappy bud, or not packing enough it will produce real faint vapor. But a nice pack with good buds will make your bag so milky you'll salivate as it fills up. You've got something going on that is not optimal, may be a defective cano but i doubt it.
 
t00fatt,

Son Of A Pitch

vapornaut
Nice review baurman!
Iv had a volcano digit for 9 months now and i had some of the same concerns at first

The whole thing that sold me about Vaporizers besides the health benefits, was the conservation. I don't feel like I'm conserving at all.
I never felt satisfied at first, always wanting more :uhoh: but once i found my sweet spot (which was 206c-208c) i was saving about a third :) All i did was start at the highest temp and then kept turning it down by 4c each night untill that unsatisfied feeling came back :rolleyes:

It took about 20 minutes and 5 bags to get me high, where as it can take me a few seconds and 4 hits to get my high from a bowl. So if you are looking to get high quickly and not want to wait about 20-30 minutes then that's another downfall
I personly found that with the volcano digit you need to be going over at least 206c using no more than .2g of dried herb to get them one hit bags.

Because the Volcano doesn't lock-in your filling chamber onto the tower, it'll tip over.... so while the bag is filling, you have to sit there and hold it upwards so it fills up and doesn't tip over
This sounds very strange...my filling chamber dosen't lock onto the tower but more like slots onto the black ring around the heater,and i must say its never tiped over or has it even made me think that it could tip over, i never haver to hold the the chamber when bags are filling. I wonder if yours could be missing that black ring?

My girlfriend was actually complaining that she doesn't see anything inside the bag, and I had to inform her that it's supposed to be like that because anything higher than 400* you'll just be creating smoke which defeats the purpose
I used to think like that (i cant go over 200c) but take a look at this, it may change the way you think about vaping at higher temps

http://stash.norml.org/new-study-examines-cannabis-vaporization

All in all, for the retail price of a Volcano, I will say, it's not worth it. I am lucky that I got it for much cheaper, so if you can score it used and cheaper than retail, then go for it
Agreed.I got mine cheap too...i dont regret it :D

EDIT: I should of said that less in the cano is better IMO because you get too much of a bad taste on the last bags where as its not so bad with less in the chamber but you may need to turn up the temp slightly. If you put too much in you waste alot of goodness, and btw you will never blacken or burn the herb in the cano at 230c and you would be suprised how green the herb still is after a few bags at say 210c :peace:
 
Son Of A Pitch,

lwien

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Son Of A Pitch said:
I used to think like that (i cant go over 200c) but take a look at this, it may change the way you think about vaping at higher temps

http://stash.norml.org/new-study-examines-cannabis-vaporization
For me, I'm concerned about the ratio of bad stuff to good stuff as well as taste and a desire for a clear head high rather than a couch-lock body high, so that report didn't change my mind at all. I'll stay between 185 to 190c.
 
lwien,
I would like to add to the threads, that I use a Volcano digit too.
I had a fairly good price for a new one
I'm thinking about buying the pandora PD.
The Volcano is great for party, but alone,
I'm sure the pandora PD is more efficient in both budget and time wise. :brow:
 
Big Dick Baller,

lwien

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Big Dick Baller said:
I would like to add to the threads, that I use a Volcano digit too.
I had a fairly good price for a new one
I'm thinking about buying the pandora PD.
The Volcano is great for party, but alone,
I'm sure the pandora PD is more efficient in both budget and time wise. :brow:
I'd have to agree.
 
lwien,

Raf007

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Never tried (sorry, plus i just realized how writing "never try" has a totally different meaning) the PD, own a V.Classic, the chamber tips off when the bag is full, or when the bag is falling on one side, but that's about it.

Was a heavy smoker and get what I want from the VC, even if it's true I'm looking for something esle as a vape.

I never tried the PD, but from what I understood it's not a vape for heavy users. Just thought that this is something to have in mind too.
 
Raf007,

Son Of A Pitch

vapornaut
Re:own a V.Classic, the chambe tip off when the bag is full, or when the bag is falling on one side, but that's about it
Iv never had this problem, even with large bags.
Have you experienced this problem Big Dick Baller?
 
Son Of A Pitch,
I have never had this problem with my volcano.
I have to hold the filling chamber tho
If I don't there is a buzzing sound coming from the chamber vibrating.

I have to thanks Pammy to have process my Pandora PD order :D

Edit : Baurman, are you lifting weight? :cool:
 
Big Dick Baller,

macbill

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I own a Volcano, and I can get clouds so dense in the bags I cannot see through them nor hit them without instantly coughing.

Is your material dry? It really needs to be relatively moisture-free. Is it ground fine (not dust)? Vaporization works best with more particle surface area exposed in the air path. After a load seems spent, you may re-grind and get a least one more hit.

Lately, I usually do two different temperature sessions per load: one at around 365 F. When that seems spent, I push it up to 395 F for a few bags. For some reason, I cough less if I break it down that way.

Just because you load a large load, doesn't mean you have to vape it all at one setting. I'd rather have more vaping sessions with satisfying vapor clouds than an enemic bag badly vaped. Try bigger loads.

My used material is pretty dark but not black. Yours may not be spent, yet.

Anymore I only use mine for groups (more than 3 or 4 people). I find vaping satisfaction with a variety of devices. While it may be true there is no perfect vape, in my opinion there are some pretty good ones out there. Collect them all for their toasty treats.

Don't forget to view some of the many Volcano videos on Youtube. I suspect they show a properly inflated bag.
 
macbill,

luchiano

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baurman said:
I do get light vapor in the bag, but it's very faint. I notice it way more after I exhale. I will see light white vapor while exhaling but while it's in the bag it's not that visible. It might be that I am not loading enough, though. but I wanted to load the amount I use that I would load in a bowl which is about .3. I read that it's recommended to load about .5 gram which is about 1mm and covers the screen and a pinch more, but that's way too much for me to be loading for just 1 day. An 8th usually lasts me about 2 weeks when I used a bowl, I wanted to cut that in half and make it last for a month by vaporizing so loading more kinda defeats the point for me. Or it is also because I made a huge bag that way I didn't have to load the stock bag 5 times. This new bag I do, I just fill it up twice and I start to feel stoned but I don't get the a couch-lock stoney feeling that I get when smoking. Although I do notice my eyes get puffier and redder than smoking. This thing literally made my eyes blood shot, that's for sure.

I tried to get a picture of my bag, but it started to tip over when I let it go.

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n193/sc8j5/cano1.jpg

I refuse to go over 400*F because then the weed will just turn black. and I'm trying to save up all my vape poo. Also, I thought it was a good thing that you don't see the vapor in the bag and only see it when you exhale? I could probably load a bowl and test it out at 400*F+ to see if the weed turns black, and if I see darker vapor to see that the unit isn't malfunctioned. However, the weed already turns lightly brown at 365*F so with that, I'm sure that it works. I didn't question it because when I exhale, I do see vapor coming out.
First that bag is so big it would dilute the vapor with too much air so that may be why your vapor is so faint in the bag.

Did you grind your vapor to fine consistency and pack the chamber evenly?.

It is a VERY important step if you want thick vapors(cannabinoids & essential oils not water) and as much extracted as possible in a short time.

If you have moisture in your bud grind it as much as you can, pack the chamber vape at 365f-385f and after the first bag regrind the herb again until it is a fine consistency. Moist bud doesn't grind that fine. Also don't just depend on seeing vape as a sign that cannabinoids are being extracted because even though a lot of bud seems dry most bud still has some water in it and isn't really bone dry and therefore water vapor will be filling the bag and you may think that you are getting a high concentration of cannabinoids when it is really the volatile oils(taste, odor) and only a little cannabinoids if vaping at a low temperature. Some people like this and over time because they aren't taking in that much cannabinoids they develop a tolerance for the low volume of cannabinoids and it fulfills their need to get high after a while until they go back to smoking and see how much it hits them but that isn't the best way to consume herb.

So to sum it up just use a smaller bag, grind the herb almost to a powder like consistency, and load the chamber evenly.

Set the temperature to 365f-385f for taste and when those are gone raise the temperature to 396f-400f to get a high concentration of thc. If you have a bong you can fill it up with some flavored water and inhale the vapor from the bag through that to keep from getting the funky taste of of the now flavorless herb.

The later oils that hit you and give you a relaxed feeling (BETA-CARYOPHYLLENE) vaporize at around 500f so using a vaporizer wouldn't be advised or possible in some cases BUT you have two options, to eat the used herb with some type of nuts and seeds or avocado(good fats and minerals) right after you vape or before you vape to give the relaxed feeling or smoke the used herb in whatever you like but if you want to have as much as possible of the chemicals in your herb smoking wouldn't be right so eating is the best option. Remember the point of vaporizing is to release as much chemicals in the herb without degrading them with high heat such as smoking so vaping at certain temperatures helps you achieve this. Plus eating the herb with the good fat containing foods I mentioned takes the BETA-CARYOPHYLLENE striaght to the lymphatic system which is the main part of the immune system and keeps the inflammation in the body low which means lack of pain and gives relaxation.

Since you have a vaporizer that lets you know what temperature you're vaporizing at I don't think you should turn it in for vaporizers that leave it up to you to figure out being that you seem to want to have things done quick because even though you use certain temperatures for the bud you have to day, that might change with new bud or even with the same bud if you want different taste by releasing different chemicals at different temperatures.

BTW, to grind your herb good you can use a coffee grinder but make sure you wipe all of it because some trichomes stick to it or you can get an easyleaf electric grinder. That does the same thing but on a smaller scale and you don't have to worry about losing trichomes. If you use one of these make sure you put just a little bud that isn't ground up so fine on the screen first to prevent the powdery herb from clogging the screen and preventing thick vapor. Also, if you take in small inhales of vape you will get higher also due to not wasting a lot of vapes as you would do if you take in all at once and exhale most of it. After you take a small inhale take in a deep lungful of air until your belly comes out hold it in for up to five seconds and exhale. Keep doing this until you are done and you will be high. What this does is take the vapor deep into the lungs as possible and activates the parasympathetic nerves which provide the rest and relaxation and this will make sure a lot of the vapors are metabolized by the system and not put into fat cells which short shallow breaths will. Remember this isn't smoking and it is not going to damage you plus you give your lungs a chance to handle that dry air but still keep something to drink to keep your throat moist. I would suggest water because the sugary drinks will dry you up after a while or use some tea with honey but keep it warm or cool not hot you don't want any problems with the heat from the hot water and essential oils from the herb irritating your mouth and throat.

If you do what I told you you should be more than happy with your purchase.

BETA-CARYOPHYLLENE:
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/06/proof-that-mari/

"Marijuana contains an amazing chemical, beta-caryophyllene, and scientists have thoroughly proven that it could be used to treat pain, inflammation, atherosclerosis, and osteoporosis.

Jrg Gertsch, of ETH Zrich, and his collaborators from three other universities learned that the natural molecule can activate a protein called cannabinoid receptor type 2. When that biological button is pushed, it soothes the immune system, increases bone mass, and blocks pain signals without causing euphoria or interfering with the central nervous system."
 
luchiano,

luchiano

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macbill said:
Lately, I usually do two different temperature sessions per bag: one at around 365 F. When that seems spent, I push it up to 395 F for a few bags. For some reason, I cough less if I break it down that way.
You basically wrote what I did but this part is what I try to tell people when they say vaping at higher temperatures such as 400f is dangerous.

If you vaporize at low temperatures first you release the essential oils of the plant and these oils are what turn into smoke if you start your vaporizing sessions at high temperatures above 385f right away and is the main reason why it is so irritating. You are converting a lot of these oils to benzene and other carcinogenic by products but by starting off low then raising this is prevented and you get the best of both world. Health and high. If you keep the temperature low you are missing out on a lot of thc that you can be getting. You will still get high if you don't smoke or eat because your body will adjust to the low volume of thc entering it but you are wasting a lot of good material.
 
luchiano,

macbill

Oh No! Mr macbill!!
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luchiano said:
If you vaporize at low temperatures first you release the essential oils of the plant and these oils are what turn into smoke if you start your vaporizing sessions at high temperatures above 385f right away and is the main reason why it is so irritating. You are converting a lot of these oils to benzene and other carcinogenic by products but by starting off low then raising this is prevented and you get the best of both world. Health and high.
Thank you. I wondered why that worked for me.
 
macbill,

SoCalR6

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Greetings all.
I am about to pick up my first volcano tomorrow. Month old classic with easy valve system. 4 bills on craigs. I have used a Vapolution for 3 years now. The whole drawing on a whip thing gets old after a while. I do get amazing hits at low and high temps with the vapo but too much work to get it right and airflow just so. I feel like I often waste a bit that could have been drawn out bt by that time I'm a dozen hits in and totally baked. I am a prop 215 patient and medicate on pure og kush. Sativa dominant Los Angeles finest. Dank and sticky.

The other day I took some og by neighbors and they had a old banged up volcano classic with solid valve. First load was a little low temp and I hit it and thought, meh my vapolution gives denser better hits. The next load was a little hotter and I
took a bigger hit and was instantly more high than I have been in many years. I have a really high tolerance I think but was like oh man I overdid it. I knew at that point I had to have one. It is more efficient than what I have been using. Now that I have tried one first hand I know it's effective. I guess they would not sell so many and demand a premium if it was junk. in the rare case I am not satisfied and was to resell it I know it will fetch about was I paid for it. Just like my Pioneer cdj and 1200's or a rare auto. The market price is set
and demand is high after watching eBay and all the overbidding people. Try reselling a lesser known vape.
 
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