My secret to THC E-Cig PG-Liquid... Potent, Effective, Cheap, Easy!!!
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trichome_renaissance
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The math sounds challenging considering I've found the concentrate (wax/shatter) itself to add roughly 1/4ml by volume per 0.5g by weight on its own. So, based on my experience, 2g of dissolved concentrate equals 1ml by volume by itself before even adding any mix to it which would make it a vapable juice......
I'd love any info you could provide on how you can get 15 grams of concentrate into a vapable solution that comes out to be 1ml total volume!
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trichome_renaissance
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Got ya. Yeah I haven't weighed to EC terps so I might indeed be adding, by weight, a larger add back % then I realize. Again though, EC terps recommends 1-2 drops per gram of concentrate as well as not exceeding more than a 4% add back rate. So I'm going by the assumption that 1-2 drops per gram of concentrate is indeed less than 4%.
Happy Jack
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Not possible ........... pens simply cannot approach the rate of vaporization compared to a flame source. Think of a pen .... any pen for that matter along the lines of a soldering iron compared to a lit match.
Happy Jack
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I've tried both the Sativa and Indica EC Terp blends at 4% and found both of them to only add a fragrance to the mixed solution and very little effect on the taste and smell of the vapor itself. In addition, you will not see any viscosity impacts of these blends at 4% either .. in case you were hoping for that. I do like their natural fruit flavorings though ................ at 5-6% those were very tasty IMO. But again ............ like everything, people's taste are different and every extract is different.
Budwiser
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My apologies big error on my part. When I said I was able to get 15 grams of concentrate in 1 ml I meant 15 grams of material (weed) in 1 ml (I use Green Dragon tincture). God I've been having alot of fuck ups lately
Budwiser
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That answers one question, but how high have you ever gotten when toking with a pen (w or w/o mod). Excuse me if it is personal by all means if that is the case please ignore this question.
randomtoker
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I dunno, if you just want to get really high, just smoke DMT man, or better still 5MEO DMT for the null white room experience. The upper limit of cannabis is very low compared to other psychedelics. It's not like you keep getting higher. However high you've ever been, is all there is man.
Regarding concentrates and juices, you'll never have as concentrated a hit smoking juice as you would plain concentrate. Juice is concentrate that has been diluted with something. If you're just looking for strength, nothing is as strong as the strongest concentrate you can find dabbed by itself. Know what I mean? (and you're probably mistaken about dissolving 15 grams of concentrate in 1ml of juice?)
@trichome_renaissance your terp posts would go so nice in the advanced thread....
@Happy Jack I agree there's weird weighing numbers being worked with. I think everyone proceeds with how the mixer instructions suggest. I believe all of them usually say to consider 1g of concentrate like 1ml of juice and the provided dropper is 32 drops for 1ml. I have never actually measured or weighed either, and I'm sure it's not accurate, but all my posts assume that baseline for measuring.
Regarding concentrates and juices, you'll never have as concentrated a hit smoking juice as you would plain concentrate. Juice is concentrate that has been diluted with something. If you're just looking for strength, nothing is as strong as the strongest concentrate you can find dabbed by itself. Know what I mean? (and you're probably mistaken about dissolving 15 grams of concentrate in 1ml of juice?)
@trichome_renaissance your terp posts would go so nice in the advanced thread....
@Happy Jack I agree there's weird weighing numbers being worked with. I think everyone proceeds with how the mixer instructions suggest. I believe all of them usually say to consider 1g of concentrate like 1ml of juice and the provided dropper is 32 drops for 1ml. I have never actually measured or weighed either, and I'm sure it's not accurate, but all my posts assume that baseline for measuring.
notoriousLrg
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@florduh I just loaded up another one of those wickless glass bud nanos. The ebay description said they are glass, but I am starting to wonder. If you squeeze it a little without the drip tip, it compresses a little making me think its some type of polycarbonate. I got some more on order direct from elegant ware - I'll take a pair of pliers to it to see how it holds up. If it doesn't I wonder if that means it's plastic. Other than that tho, they do operate very well.
BTW did you notice? ebay has banned all vape related hardware.
Copacetic
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Wow, when did they do that?
ALL vape related stuff, or just canna vape stuff?
notoriousLrg
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sorry paypal. but it does seem some stuff can still be purchased. Maybe they are phasing the policy in. I got this from the vendor.
"A war on liberty! Paypal has just released a ban on the vapor industry. Paypal will not accept direct payments for vapor products. What will the fallout be? Although Paypal declined to talk to us about specifics, the direct effect will probably be felt first starting at Ebay Inc. Paypal being a highly integrated into their system it would seem as if EBay / Paypal combo will eliminate the vapor sector as a whole. Using a ban to accept payments seems like Americans don't need to worry about the government suppressing your liberty, it seems that large corporations are now deciding what Americans can or cannot own. Another blow for American Liberty on our own soil. "
"A war on liberty! Paypal has just released a ban on the vapor industry. Paypal will not accept direct payments for vapor products. What will the fallout be? Although Paypal declined to talk to us about specifics, the direct effect will probably be felt first starting at Ebay Inc. Paypal being a highly integrated into their system it would seem as if EBay / Paypal combo will eliminate the vapor sector as a whole. Using a ban to accept payments seems like Americans don't need to worry about the government suppressing your liberty, it seems that large corporations are now deciding what Americans can or cannot own. Another blow for American Liberty on our own soil. "
randomtoker
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I would venture to guess this is tied to pressure from the tobacco industry. Read an interesting article recently that they're lobbying for a ban on ecig related gear. They want everyone buying their crappy disposable ecigs instead of bypassing their monopoly and using nic juice and open system gear.
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Budwiser
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I wanna get really high of ejuice rather than strict conentrates, edibles, etc. becuase of the love of the clouds I produce which look cool
Yeah as I addressed trichome_renaissance up a few post I meant 15 grams of weed not concentrate.
Happy Jack
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Actually E-Bay has had a ban on this for quite some time now. I had some Seego Glacier tanks laying around that the manuf. in China had sent me to test. I had about (50) packs of them and put them on e-bay last year. After a few weeks e-bay pulled them. People still post them but they don't last too long.
What the FDA wants to do is pretty much ban all the mods used in vaping. The huge clouds of vapor these units produce is actually the root of this. People that don't smoke/vape have very little tolerance to being blasted by these mini fog machines. Pretty much every negative spin over e-cigs is a result of this. Since the small original units don't produce nearly the volumes of vapor, they are somewhat acceptable in the minds of the anti-smoking crowd..........but barely.
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caro-line
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I just wonder... I make e-juice with ratio 1:1.5 (1g concentrate:1ml EJmix:0.5ml PG) + I add 17% (0.42ml) of concentrate flavour. Basically it equals 1:2 ratio. So it means the liquid will be a little bit weaker.
Or should I do this that way I swap 0.5 PG for 0.4 flavour, and it should equal around 2.5ml of liqweed?
Agrhh, I hope you know what I mean...
Or should I do this that way I swap 0.5 PG for 0.4 flavour, and it should equal around 2.5ml of liqweed?
Agrhh, I hope you know what I mean...
notoriousLrg
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Yeah elegant aware sells only plastic shit. I can get the tube/tank to bend between two fingers. And this is after she replied to me to indicate that they were glass. Should have figured given how inexpensive they are. Back to my K1s!
I don't see why this wouldn't work. Personally I wouldn't use pg at all and just use shatter, ejmix and flavoring. I'm always worried about separation so I don't use any plain pg or vg.
Also I love the 1:2 ratio.
Budwiser
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To solve your separation concerns you could use "Green Dragon" (infused alcohol) as a concentrate like me instead of wax, shatter, etc. Also after you blend your concentrate you would want to shake it daily for 2 weeks until it is cured to make a microsuspension (as close of a bind to pg/ vg you could get).
caro-line
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@psychonaut How many puffs get you medicated on 1:2 ratio? Are you using any kind of cartridges?
In the next week I'm going to try 1:1.5 ratio (1g conc 1ml EJ ~0.4ml flavour) and finally use that properly in my chinese cartridges.
In the next week I'm going to try 1:1.5 ratio (1g conc 1ml EJ ~0.4ml flavour) and finally use that properly in my chinese cartridges.
1 puff for anxiety relief. 2 puffs for a mild stone. 4 puffs for bedtime meds. I use an istick 20 with a kanger aerotank v2. 7 watts of power. 10 second puffs.
Vaping alcohol is potentially dangerous. I'd recommend against vaping green dragon. Most recipes for it even say vaping it is not a good idea. It's one thing to have the alcohol evaporated out and then vaping the result, it's another thing to actually vape alcohol and can be potentially hazardous.
trichome_renaissance
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I've got a bunch of those 3rd gen (wickless) nano's from ebay. I like them much better than the gen 1 and gen 2 carts but I have had some quality issues with them. Out of the 10 I've used so far, 3 of them have had the black tips separate from the pen, 1 was missing an inner rubber gasket, and 1 simply leaked from the bottom. Hopefully this isn't a pattern that continues with the rest I have. I too am not 100% confident the outer tubes are glass....although they could be some type of pyrex (borosilicate glass) maybe?
Budwiser
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As long as it is not over 5% than it should not pose a problem. Otherwise like you said just evaporate all the alcohol out once mixed with the glycerin that way you just leave behind the actives and best of all no need to be concerned about separation that you would usually get had you done wax, shatter, etc. instead of Green Dragon.
I've not seen any sources that substantiate your statements and plenty cautioning the danger of using alcohol in this situation. I strongly recommend you find a reliable source that says what you are doing is safe before continuing to do so and I continue to generally recommend against the practice.
trichome_renaissance
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OK so after playing with Holy Terps mixed with wax with added EC Terps for a little bit now, here are 3 simple recipe strategies I can recommend.....
MILD: 0.4g wax + 0.8ml (26 drops) HT’s = 1ml total volume of mix (add 1 drop of EC Terps if desired)
MED: 0.6g wax + 0.7ml (22 drops) HT’s = 1ml total volume of mix (add 1-2 drops of EC Terps if desired)
STRONG: 0.8g wax + 0.6ml (19 drops) HT’s = 1ml total volume of mix (add 1-3 drops of EC Terps if desired)
Mild potency is a fairly thin and runny juice that depletes quickly. Flavor is great and it's the most inexpensive to make though.
Medium potency is a fairly thick juice that slowly runs if you invert your cartridge. Flavor suffers a bit.
Strong potency is very thick and doesn't run if you invert your cartridge. I'm pleasantly surprised my pen can vape this consistency of concentrate on its lowest (3.2v) setting. The least flavorful, but by far most potent, option for sure.
MILD: 0.4g wax + 0.8ml (26 drops) HT’s = 1ml total volume of mix (add 1 drop of EC Terps if desired)
MED: 0.6g wax + 0.7ml (22 drops) HT’s = 1ml total volume of mix (add 1-2 drops of EC Terps if desired)
STRONG: 0.8g wax + 0.6ml (19 drops) HT’s = 1ml total volume of mix (add 1-3 drops of EC Terps if desired)
Mild potency is a fairly thin and runny juice that depletes quickly. Flavor is great and it's the most inexpensive to make though.
Medium potency is a fairly thick juice that slowly runs if you invert your cartridge. Flavor suffers a bit.
Strong potency is very thick and doesn't run if you invert your cartridge. I'm pleasantly surprised my pen can vape this consistency of concentrate on its lowest (3.2v) setting. The least flavorful, but by far most potent, option for sure.
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