MiniVAP Vaporizer

[MinnBobber]

I've had a head to head comparison of the two ( my miniVAP and buddy's Mighty) and even the Mighty owner agreed that the miniVAP beat the Mighty on about 8/10 areas like:
taste, versatility, perceived construction materials/quality of plastic vs aluminum, efficient use of herbs--most effect with minimal herb, stands upright by itself, time between needing a cleaning, ease of loading herb/ no need for special loading tool, ability to run via battery or AC, ability to swap batteries yourself vs send back to manufacturer, Mighty max temp is only 410 F vs miniVAP 437 F, pure convection vs convection/conduction combo. The Mighty has a slick dig display but why not higher temp capability?

That said, the Mighty is still an excellent, probably top 5 vape. I'd for sure get the miniVAP. Too bad the miniVAP didn't arrive first as cancelling the Mighty makes more sense.

 

[Kommyknocker]

X2--never seen the black flexicones...

kommyknocker--
once you go black, you never go back.....can I say that on here?
I'm talking flexicones people

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@mixchu69.. Don't deny yourself this taste maker.. Just don't .

 

[mixchu69]

Appreciate the input. I won't cancel my order. I want to be part of the minivap family. All I needed to hear was taste and efficiency.

 

[Mrmrmrmr]

If the MV is anything it's tasty & efficient

 

[jivebuggered]

So I am still waiting for my minivap (silver is shipping next week). I just used my mighty for the first time today and it was great. Do you think that minivap will be necessary or provide me a different high than the mighty? I want high end material and these seem to be the top two. I am just deciding whether I should keep the mighty and cancel my order for the minivap or buy both (Luckily, it is a luxury I can afford but deciding whether it is prudent) I really like the community for the minivap.

Yes same, should be delivered this week also. I see Vapornation want a scan of your credit card for International orders now (before?) thats a new one, a very untrusting world we live in. Was wondering what other members use as a mouthpiece on say a silicon tubing whip on the miniVap? (eg. glass teardrops etc )
Would like to know if it is easy to clean and if it changes the vapor taste or coolness in any way? Thanks for any feed back

 

[utekai]

I don't think there would be anything to worry about, but that may be my ignorance and justification of purchasing a minivap. This product has been on the market for years, many claim it's the best portable, I think we can always find a reason to WORRY. mine is shipping next week so I am trying to not stress about my purchase.

I can only think of the Marlboro Man, who was 'on the market for years'.

My how his story changed. He didn't think there would be anything to worry about either.

He personally claimed Marlboros were the way to go, for him and you too, and he walked his talk.

Yes, I think we can always find a reason to worry, but just because something has been on the market for years doesn't make it safe.

Not that you should stress about your purchase. But that's what people do.

Now just to make this more interesting, I think tobacco is a safe product, when not grown with phosphate-based fertilizers, the use of which spread rapidly in the 1940s. Farmers loved using it, and still do love using it. Organic tobacco is fine and potentially quite healthy. But you take something say even organic tobacco and mix it with sugar and smoke it, well, that's a different story right there. Not just because the sugar is a GMO product and very dangerous in it's own right to ingest in any fashion, but because of the smoked combo.

 

[Smknbud]

I can only think of the Marlboro Man, who was 'on the market for years'.

My how his story changed. He didn't think there would be anything to worry about either.

He personally claimed Marlboros were the way to go, for him and you too, and he walked his talk.

Yes, I think we can always find a reason to worry, but just because something has been on the market for years doesn't make it safe.

Not that you should stress about your purchase. But that's what people do.

Now just to make this more interesting, I think tobacco is a safe product, when not grown with phosphate-based fertilizers, the use of which spread rapidly in the 1940s. Farmers loved using it, and still do love using it. Organic tobacco is fine and potentially quite healthy. But you take something say even organic tobacco and mix it with sugar and smoke it, well, that's a different story right there. Not just because the sugar is a GMO product and very dangerous in it's own right to ingest in any fashion, but because of the smoked combo.

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[stickstones]

Per the rules, if any of you wish to continue discussing the merits of Teflon, please do so in the materials safety thread.

 

[Gondee]

I like the old George Carlin line about simple rules in life. Rule #1: "I don't believe anything the government tells me. Nothing. Zero. Not one single word."

The EPA and FDA are there to protect the rich business owners who sponsor (aka 'bought') government, not to protect the consumers. Reputable isn't a word that could be used to describe a government organization, rather 'bought' or 'whoring' is a much better descriptor.

Carlin also said, "Hansel and Gretel discovered the ginger bread house about 45 minutes after they discovered the mushrooms."

Anyway, I suspect George would have enjoyed using a miniVAP at least once before he died. And this statement is probably true for everyone. But George wouldn't have died from it, and likely neither will anyone else.

However, choose your body's pollutants wisely. And when you do take in Teflon, it will block/hinder your body in fairly well known ways.

What?

Polytetrafluoroethylene (PTFE) is a synthetic fluoropolymer of tetrafluoroethylene and is a fluorocarbon solid, and is a high-molecular-weight compound consisting wholly of carbon and fluorine.

What it will do in the body is displace iodine, and that's because fluorine, a natural halogen, but in PTFE is a halide and reactive in the body when the PTFE structure is disrupted. Thus it will affect your thyroid system and wreak havoc with your hormonal system (causing strange behaviors, strange symptoms, strange growths). It's not the PTFE is dangerous, it's that fluorine is EXTREMELY dangerous, and yet we dump that poison into our water so industry won't have to pay to have it safely deactivated.

This gets worse because we're all iodine deficient anyway, so even a bit of fluorine just causes massive disruption.

Some communities are waking up and stopping the dumping of fluorine and other poisons into their water. Just as some are waking up and refusing to let (4 out of 5) dentists fill their teeth with mercury (which blocks zinc, again wreaking all kinds of havoc) fillings.

What can one say after all this? Only this ... vape on my friend, vape on.

I appreciate the research you have put in here, great information!

I believe the component above the bowl, that funnels down to where the screen sits is solid PTFE, if there is a source saying otherwise please post it (I could be wrong here). Also, dupont has been very insistent that its material is not dangerous, but its the academic community which has researched and found the PTFE dangerous. They have been sued and actively covered up a couple exposures in their factories, so I don't believe they are a trust worthy source. Again, most of the data online is the old Dupont "sales information", not research based findings.

Here is a better compilation of research based findings for gasses:
http://www.ewg.org/research/canaries-kitchen/teflon-offgas-studies

Again, I really appreciate the attention to the topic from you guys. I have requested the full off gas studies from Herms (I doubt they will even respond given the track record). Either way, Im going to continue looking into this, and see if I cannot get a 100% guarantee that at no point during the life time of our MiniVaps will we be inhaling PTFE gasses.

Thanks!

Per the rules, if any of you wish to continue discussing the merits of Teflon, please do so in the materials safety thread.

Ops, appreciate the heads up! Ill post a link to the thread soon

 

[mestizo]

Going thru the entire parts list at Hermes the only part that is listed as PTFE is the solid cone. The flexicone and flexicone + are made of food grade silicone. The loading chamber kit material is silicone and Ultem. The loading chamber wall I assume/or appears to be made of the same material as the chamber kit.

So, one thing is made of PTFE.....the solid cone.

Edit: I wish I would have taken the initiative to read closely the Hermes parts description info instead of assuming, because someone said so, that PTFE was a prime component when it isn't in reality.

The loading kit materials doesn't make sense because it list flexicones and other stuff under materials.
As far as I'm concerned both rings are made of the same material, so which one is it? Ultem or silicone, for sure is not SS 304, that's the screen material.
I always thought the loading chamber rings were Teflon, to prevent resin to stick on it, but it could well be Ultem, it sure is not silicon.

 

[Mrmrmrmr]

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Lol. Because a cigarette and a vaporizer are similar health wise.
Anyways I still haven't found a comfortable way to vape dry. The bent solo on top of the cap isn't making that vapor cool. My next option might be a evo dry mouthpiece but I'd like to keep it stealthy. Could always go the whip route aka "camel bak".

 

[Kommyknocker]

Here's a new tangent.. WT and the MV.
What, if any setup of bong/bubbler would someone on here that knows a thing or two about them, say works the best for MVing?
See the thing is that big rig I had pictured the other day pales on comparison to my much more compact Black leaf Smoke shower.. And even the FBomb.
Same material and loaded amount but far, far less density to the vapor upon exhale. Hell I can even take enough pulls to get the load going fully and get thin vapor from the big rig.. Then hit the same load, in the smoke shower and big clouds. This me.

 

[Mrmrmrmr]

@Kommyknocker , I believe I know why this is. The difference Percs in each glass piece combined withthe draw you take on each piece creates
Vapor..bigger in some pieces and smaller in others.

 

[Kommyknocker]

So is the Big Rig(I Call him Optimus ) just doing too good a job at filtration and diffusion? As well as just generally having more unsullied surface area to collect condensate?

Edit: I have came down with a little case of G.A.S

 

[OnCloud8]

Wow! I just have to say, I'm a believer. Finally got around to my first session tonight, and holy crap, does it work! What's really crazy is how hard the effects are even at blue, with no visible vapor…I was not expecting that.

I'm finding that at green and red I have the most visible clouds, but they are not "huge" like some I've seen on the forum, perhaps more experimentation.

I'm mess in around with different configs with the accessories, I have question, the flexione +, does that just feed through the top with the belled bottom inside the cap, and do you attach the baskets to it with a filter on top? That seems like it would be much cleaner than the sorta "standard" mode I've been messing with which is: filled basket in unit, standard white cap with filter, plastic mouthpiece.

Also, what is the squishy silicone alternate cap for? Just so I can attach the basket to it and use like the standard matte white cap?

 

[Kommyknocker]

Correct on the flexi+... Flexi is the squishy nipple type affair. Use it the same way as you describe the flexi + use. Better seal.. Better usage.

 

[OnCloud8]

Correct on the flexi+... Flexi is the squishy nipple type affair. Use it the same way as you describe the flexi + use. Better seal.. Better usage.

Got it! Actually tried it with the flexicone+ - screen above basket (nested in top of flexion+) with the small basket attached to the flared base of the flexicone + right after I posted (no patience over here…) and wow, even at blue I'm getting nice puffs of visible vapor and intense flavor, went up to pink for several pulls, and now at green for several puffs….delicious, visible, and still going strong…

amazing. I've had several reputable vapes and this one is impressive…already dreaming about water attachments.

edit: just opened the top and yeah, a lot less messy this way, it's all contained in the flexicone+ and basket! nice! should be soooo easy to clean

 

[Henry81]

So I am still waiting for my minivap (silver is shipping next week). I just used my mighty for the first time today and it was great. Do you think that minivap will be necessary or provide me a different high than the mighty? I want high end material and these seem to be the top two. I am just deciding whether I should keep the mighty and cancel my order for the minivap or buy both (Luckily, it is a luxury I can afford but deciding whether it is prudent) I really like the community for the minivap.

Both!! Each one is special. What's cool is the mighty fits perfectly in the mv's carry case (without the mv's charging equipment).
Plus with these two devices together, you won't have to worry about constant charging. I get 6-7 full sessions with both devices.

 

[Smknbud]

The loading kit materials doesn't make sense because it list flexicones and other stuff under materials.
As far as I'm concerned both rings are made of the same material, so which one is it? Ultem or silicone, for sure is not SS 304, that's the screen material.
I always thought the loading chamber rings were Teflon, to prevent resin to stick on it, but it could well be Ultem, it sure is not silicon.

Ultem, a thermoplastic , can and is bonded to different substrates, Silicone being one of those substrates. So the load chamber kit pieces are made of this combination of materials. The screen is as you pointed out already.

Here's a new tangent.. WT and the MV.
What, if any setup of bong/bubbler would someone on here that knows a thing or two about them, say works the best for MVing?

My glass knowledge is limited at best, but I use a smaller volume bubbler with 12 narrow percolators that's pretty efficient. It's easy to milk with the Mini.

 

[MinnBobber]

So is the Big Rig(I Call him Optimus ) just doing too good a job at filtration and diffusion? As well as just generally having more unsullied surface area to collect condensate?

Edit: I have came down with a little case of G.A.S

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The cure to G.A.S. , Mobius Ion Matix Perc bubbler. 5 1/2" to top of can 9" to top of mouthpiece.
Fits beautifully in your hand and minimal flavor loss, while moisturizing that superb miniVAP vapor.
It really is an unbeatable combo

Aqua Lab Technologies I believe still has a sale going. Not sure if they ship across the "pond".

I lied - this doesn't cure G.A.S. If you look at their site, check out the Mobius Atom, the Ion's mod little brother. The Atom is now calling me, even though I doubt anything can beat this current combo!!

Like smknbud said, small volume bubbler is all that you want. Those big hog multi perc water pieces work best for combustion---not needed for vaping, especially with the quality of vapor the miniVAP puts out.
But the vapor is dry, no doubt, so a little water moisturizing is great.

 

[Gondee]

Here's a new tangent.. WT and the MV.
What, if any setup of bong/bubbler would someone on here that knows a thing or two about them, say works the best for MVing?
See the thing is that big rig I had pictured the other day pales on comparison to my much more compact Black leaf Smoke shower.. And even the FBomb.
Same material and loaded amount but far, far less density to the vapor upon exhale. Hell I can even take enough pulls to get the load going fully and get thin vapor from the big rig.. Then hit the same load, in the smoke shower and big clouds. This me.

A tighter diameter air path will allow more airflow over the material. Too tight and your pulling to fast (Heating element cannot heat air that quickly), or too large and you have to pull that entire cavities worth of air (which means you waste most of your lung volume. When smoking your trying to fill the chamber by utilizing a syringe effect, in my experience with vaping (since the MiniVap needs constant pull) your trying to keep constant flow.

VapeXhale glass is designed with this in mind and that's why i choose them

 

[lazylightning]

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The cure to G.A.S. , Mobius Ion Matix Perc bubbler. 5 1/2" to top of can 9" to top of mouthpiece.
Fits beautifully in your hand and minimal flavor loss, while moisturizing that superb miniVAP vapor.
It really is an unbeatable combo

Aqua Lab Technologies I believe still has a sale going. Not sure if they ship across the "pond".

I lied - this doesn't cure G.A.S. If you look at their site, check out the Mobius Atom, the Ion's mod little brother. The Atom is now calling me, even though I doubt anything can beat this current combo!!

The Mobius Ion will indeed slow down your G.A.S. for a while. But I only had mine a few weeks before realizing I needed his little brother Atom! They are both perfect in their own ways. The Ion for nice full bub rips and the Atom for savoring the flavor more slowly. IMO the Atom conditions the vapor more thoroughly than the Ion which is not what I anticipated.

I took advantage of the ALT sale twice but unfortunately (or very fortunately for my wallet) it ended December 1.

 

[MinnBobber]

LL-- a typo in your post....
which conditions the vapor more thoroughly??

 

[lazylightning]

LL-- a typo in your post....
which conditions the vapor more thoroughly??

Sorry, changed it to reflect that IMO the Atom conditions the vapor more thoroughly than the Ion.

 

[Kommyknocker]

There are some decent online headshops in the UK so I'll look into this.. As I said my fbomb and black leaf Smoke shower(which is actually unavailable now) work a treat but the failure of Optimus to perform to my expectations made me wanna get the next one right.
Thanks for the input people's

That mobius looks real nice.. But the tax on US stuff is Effin nonsense