MFLB lover: Help me decide on my 2nd portable.

[malelz]

Okay, I got my LB 6 months ago and immediately began vaping exclusively. I absolutely love my LB, but I need some variety. I would like something portable, durable, low maintenance, and with cloudier hits than the MFLB. Also, without a steep learning curve. Tired of people scorching my load.

I have considered the Solo because of the great reviews, but I am concerned about the long glass tube. I break everything. I also feel it would be awkward to transport.

I like the Da Vinci's portability and temperature control, but people have complained about the smell, vapor quality, and awkward lid making it hard to clean. I like to keep everything nice and tidy.

The Ascent has too much glass, and too many glitches. I don't want to suck in herbs.

The Pax has daily maintenance and is said to be wasteful.

What are your recommendations/experiences with these vaporizers or some I haven't listed? Y'all are way more experienced than me. I am at a loss.

 

[nopartofme]

I'd take a look at either the Pinnacle Pro or the Lotus, depending on whether you're interested in a flame-based vape (the Lotus) or not.

Both will get you a relatively durable vape, especially the Lotus due to the lack of electronics. I think the PN Pro would also fit your desire for durability though, simply due to the lack of glass.

I'd lean toward the Lotus because it's great to have a backup vape that doesn't rely on electricity. It might have a bit more learning involved, though I'm fairly certain it's easier to use than a Vapor Genie for instance. The PN Pro on the other hand should be dead simple to use.

 

[malelz]

I'd take a look at either the Pinnacle Pro or the Lotus, depending on whether you're interested in a flame-based value (the Lotus) or not.

Thanks for the tips. The Lotus looks a little too simple for me, and I don't wanna go in the flame direction. I like the PN Pro though. I hadn't checked that one out yet. I only worry about the battery life. I will add it to my list.

 

[clouded vision]

get the solo and either get a cigar tube to carry the stem in or get one of Ed's TNT wood stems

 

[Bouldorado]

I like the Da Vinci's portability and temperature control, but people have complained about the smell, vapor quality, and awkward lid making it hard to clean. I like to keep everything nice and tidy.

Having owned a Da Vinci, most of those points are pretty minor in reality. Vapor quality is decent, with a wide range of temperature options. The lid is a little awkward but not terribly so; very easy to simply tap out spent weed and brush out anything left behind. Smell isn't really an issue as long you keep it moderately clean. My biggest dislike about the DV was the non-cleanable mouthpiece; however this is relatively inexpensive to replace.

 

[max]

^ I agree. I've been using one since the model was introduced. I've never had any issue with the vapor output considering the size. The lid on mine doesn't provide as much clearance as version 2 and I still don't have any problem cleaning. A q-tip swab reaches the bottom and all sides. An angled dental pick is best for removing the bottom screen but I rarely have to do that. I've been very happy with it- a nice stealth portable. I use it from 340-385 F. You can get one for a little over $100 on eBay if you're willing to risk not having a warranty.

My biggest dislike about the DV was the non-cleanable mouthpiece

I consider it cleanable. It's just silicone with clothes on. I use a pipe cleaner and the clothes are drip dry.

 

[GanjaDude]

Okay, I got my LB 6 months ago and immediately began vaping exclusively. I absolutely love my LB, but I need some variety. I would like something portable, durable, low maintenance, and with cloudier hits than the MFLB. Also, without a steep learning curve. Tired of people scorching my load.

I have considered the Solo because of the great reviews, but I am concerned about the long glass tube. I break everything. I also feel it would be awkward to transport.

I like the Da Vinci's portability and temperature control, but people have complained about the smell, vapor quality, and awkward lid making it hard to clean. I like to keep everything nice and tidy.

The Ascent has too much glass, and too many glitches. I don't want to suck in herbs.

The Pax has daily maintenance and is said to be wasteful.

What are your recommendations/experiences with these vaporizers or some I haven't listed? Y'all are way more experienced than me. I am at a loss.

I know you have concerns about the glass but i have dropped mine loads and they havent broke. I would honestly say get the solo. I own 3 portables DV T-Vape Solo and the solo wins everytime

 

[malelz]

get the solo and either get a cigar tube to carry the stem in or get one of Ed's TNT wood stems

Cigar tube, great idea! I happen to work somewhere that has a cigar room.



Thanks for the feedback on both the Solo and the Da Vinci. Those are the two I've been most considering. Everyone seems super into the Solo, that glass stem just scares me. But I may be leaning that way. What about the maintenance? Also, I know the Solo draws harder...how stiff is the draw? I really enjoy how free flowing the LB is.

 

[GanjaDude]

Cigar tube, great idea! I happen to work somewhere that has a cigar room.



Thanks for the feedback on both the Solo and the Da Vinci. Those are the two I've been most considering. Everyone seems super into the Solo, that glass stem just scares me. But I may be leaning that way. What about the maintenance? Also, I know the Solo draws harder...how stiff is the draw? I really enjoy how free flowing the LB is.

Without getting the PVHES Stem it is a fairly stiff draw but the clouds and flavor are insanely worth it. I recently went back to the stock stem and it wasnt bad at all. Cleaning and maintenance is a piece of cake on the solo you simply drop the stem in a bottle of iso+salt shake a few times and your done. I have had no need to clean the actual base unit as it looks as clean as the day i bought it.

 

[Caligula]

+2 for Solo and Eds wood stem. Still less than an ascent, even with the aftermarket stem from Ed.

 

[BLAZING OG]

Arizer Solo and some planet vape TRAVEL TUBES<-----------CLICK HERE for the glass stems, these things are crush proof, and are what 2 litter bottles start off looking like.
Pinnacle Pro, the pro can be used while charging ,something to keep in mind.

Davinci ascent ,seems there ironing out there bugs.

lotus is flame based, like traditional smoking ,but according to the testimonials and videos as proof this thing can hit light and tasty or knock the fuck out hard.

 

[ataxian]

I really enjoy how free flowing the LB is.

Just burn joints and save your money if you like the MFLB.
You will be disappointed in the SOLO because the taste is so much smoother than the LB.
ZIG-ZAGS are less than $2.00 and $1.00 for a BIC.

Plus I wish I could go back to smoking joints however the 2 SOLO's I own have ruined my chances to return to smoking joints. Can't handle joints any more.

For a Burnt Popcorn taste the LB is the best if that is the flavor profile you enjoy.

Besides if you like free flowing then Zig-Zags (JOINTS) would be your best option!

You stated what your enjoy?



A glass stemmed SOLO might be the wrong flavor profile for your liking!

If you still want a SOLO a SEAL to secure you GLASS stems is very practical.
ED make's a very nice wood stem many people like however GLASS taste Head and Shoulders better than wood. Now they are made very well just I put flavor first.
I understand your concern about glass however since I got the SEAL and TRAVEL TUBE I haven't
Broke glass. Before I broke one a week at least.

 

[syrupy]

^^ Those tubes look burly. Do they only fit the straight stem?

 

[Caligula]

Just burn joints and save your money if you like the MFLB.
You will be disappointed in the SOLO because the taste is so much smoother than the LB.
ZIG-ZAGS are less than $2.00 and $1.00 for a BIC.

For a Burnt Popcorn taste the LB is the best if that is the flavor profile you enjoy.

Besides if you like free flowing then Zig-Zags (JOINTS) would be your best option!

You stated what your enjoy?

 

[pakalolo]

Just burn joints and save your money if you like the MFLB.
You will be disappointed in the SOLO because the taste is so much smoother than the LB.
ZIG-ZAGS are less than $2.00 and $1.00 for a BIC.

Plus I wish I could go back to smoking joints however the 2 SOLO's I own have ruined my chances to return to smoking joints. Can't handle joints any more.

For a Burnt Popcorn taste the LB is the best if that is the flavor profile you enjoy.

Besides if you like free flowing then Zig-Zags (JOINTS) would be your best option!

You stated what your enjoy?



A glass stemmed SOLO might be the wrong flavor profile for your liking!

If you still want a SOLO a SEAL to secure you GLASS stems is very practical.
ED make's a very nice wood stem many people like however GLASS taste Head and Shoulders better than wood. Now they are made very well just I put flavor first.
I understand your concern about glass however since I got the SEAL and TRAVEL TUBE I haven't
Broke glass. Before I broke one a week at least.

Ataxian, it's pretty obvious that you never learned how to use your LB properly. You're not supposed to combust in it!

 

[vorrange]

The Solo isn't awkward to transport, although it's a bit on the heavy and bulky side if you carry it in your coat pocket.

Nice pocket vapes would be lighter based like VG, Lotus, Vaponic, Vapman. The MFLB and the Palm for pocket conduction vapes.

There are other options in between, like the PN PRO, the DaVinci, the Ascent and the Inhalater.


What i love most about battery powered units is:

1. It's silent. (sometimes this comes in handy.)
2. They usually have preset temperatures and/or digital temp displays. (great for rookies, combuster friends and no-attention-required sessions)
3. They usually allow for one-hand operation of the unit, unlike flame based units.


What i dislike the most is:

1. Battery Life. (Usually from as low as 30min to 2h, it is still a small window for a portable unless you only use it for a few brief sessions.)
2. Price (Although prices have gone down considerably for battery powered units compared to lighter based units, it is still too much considering what you get in return. I used to think otherwise, but now that i use the Vaponic which retails for 40€ and has a better taste than 95% of the portables out there, and more stealthy than most, i don't think 150-250USD that justifiable anymore.)


For your needs, since you want something durable but don't want any flame based unit, i would choose between the Solo, the PNPro and the DaVinci. The DaVinci and the PNPro don't have very good taste because there's a lot of conduction going on, the Solo is not so confortable to carry but it's manageable.


One other advice:

i don't think people should choose to buy a vaporizer considering other people... would you choose a car based on the advantages for the passengers or you mainly think of price, fiability, engine performance and mileage?

People should choose their units considering their usage, their level of technique and what they prize the most in the vaporizer.

If you had an array of vaporizers, why not choose a user-friendly unit to have around friends? But you only have the MFLB... i think you should be selfish and think only of you.

Everybody knows that the MFLB and other units with wood on the airpath never fully recover it's original taste after you have combusted in it.
I had that happen to me in my MFLB and in my wood Genie... 120€, roughly 160USD that got ruined for me because i like to share and spread the word on vaporizing. If i had bought my LB new, it would be 270USD that went down the drain.


So, to sum it up:

If you want to share, choose something that can be thorougly cleaned, and avoid units with a wood airpath.

If you value stealth over taste, the DaVinci and the Pinnacle are the best options for you.

If you want something in between when it comes to taste vs stealth, the Solo, Ascent and Inhalater XP are your best bets. Incidentaly, since taste is directly related to the amount of conduction in the unit, and conduction needs less power, these units have the biggest battery life of all portables.

If 2 hours of autonomy is not enough, then go with flame based units.
My top three choices atm: Lotus, Vaponic and Vapman.

 

[ataxian]

Ataxian, it's pretty obvious that you never learned how to use your LB properly. You're not supposed to combust in it!

pakalolo I wish someone that is a expert like you taught me how to use it.

My only experience with CANNABIS (Called POT) was smoking joints back in the 70's and I loved the first 3 hits of a fat joint of outdoor soil grown HAWAIIAN (MAUI WOWIE, KONA GOLD and THAI STICKS). People these day's talk about a gram a month and I just am blown away at this economy?
I need like 30 grams per month!

After 3 decades of a very conservative life (POT FREE) and all the medicine the doctors were giving out freely I found a medical application to what is called CANNABIS.

I quit all drugs even aspirin and other over the counter remedies.

During my journey back in to MARIJUANA (MEDICAL CANNABIS) the MAGIC BOX LUNCH BOX was my first
vaporizer and I was so stoked to have effective medication. At first I only needed a couple of RIPS and I was feeling very good. However as my tolerances came back after about 6 months or so I needed more. My problem was the flavor was like a left over meal after 3 rips. I needed about 9 rips at this point.
I did some research and the SOLO was the new kid on the block. So I bought one for $300 bucks and the Girl at the smoke shop gave me a SPACE CASE grinder for free. My first session with a stock stem was 9 rips and the flavor profile was like a fine glass of wine from Chateau MARGEAUX in FRANCE. I was sold and
thought to myself $300 is cheap in the big picture. OK now there dirt cheap! So I have 2 now. (OVERKILL).

So I began chasing Flavor and the vaporizers I own taste great.
However full circle I need a powerful rip once in a while and I don't like the taste of a joint after the first couple of rips. So I'm not replacing my quiver I'm adding to it.
I'm a cheap bastard these days so I bought a LSV for my water path setups for the occasional jolt!

Now pakalolo (Love this name) I wish someone like you was there to help me figure it all out?
The younger guys that were all current thought of me as a old has been so I had to figure the CANNABIS culture out my self. Vaporizing was very civilized to me and the young guns were still burning ZIZ-ZAGS.

So I try to figure out what is best for my situation.

I know I should just keep my options to myself.

Sorry for the rant!

I'm sure the MFLB is wonderful!

Maybe like you say I never learn how to use the MFLB?

The Solo isn't awkward to transport, although it's a bit on the heavy and bulky side if you carry it in your coat pocket.

Nice pocket vapes would be lighter based like VG, Lotus, Vaponic, Vapman. The MFLB and the Palm for pocket conduction vapes.

There are other options in between, like the PN PRO, the DaVinci, the Ascent and the Inhalater.


What i love most about battery powered units is:

1. It's silent. (sometimes this comes in handy.)
2. They usually have preset temperatures and/or digital temp displays. (great for rookies, combuster friends and no-attention-required sessions)
3. They usually allow for one-hand operation of the unit, unlike flame based units.


What i dislike the most is:

1. Battery Life. (Usually from as low as 30min to 2h, it is still a small window for a portable unless you only use it for a few brief sessions.)
2. Price (Although prices have gone down considerably for battery powered units compared to lighter based units, it is still too much considering what you get in return. I used to think otherwise, but now that i use the Vaponic which retails for 40€ and has a better taste than 95% of the portables out there, and more stealthy than most, i don't think 150-250USD that justifiable anymore.)


For your needs, since you want something durable but don't want any flame based unit, i would choose between the Solo, the PNPro and the DaVinci. The DaVinci and the PNPro don't have very good taste because there's a lot of conduction going on, the Solo is not so confortable to carry but it's manageable.


One other advice:

i don't think people should choose to buy a vaporizer considering other people... would you choose a car based on the advantages for the passengers or you mainly think of price, fiability, engine performance and mileage?

People should choose their units considering their usage, their level of technique and what they prize the most in the vaporizer.

If you had an array of vaporizers, why not choose a user-friendly unit to have around friends? But you only have the MFLB... i think you should be selfish and think only of you.

Everybody knows that the MFLB and other units with wood on the airpath never fully recover it's original taste after you have combusted in it.
I had that happen to me in my MFLB and in my wood Genie... 120€, roughly 160USD that got ruined for me because i like to share and spread the word on vaporizing. If i had bought my LB new, it would be 270USD that went down the drain.


So, to sum it up:

If you want to share, choose something that can be thorougly cleaned, and avoid units with a wood airpath.

If you value stealth over taste, the DaVinci and the Pinnacle are the best options for you.

If you want something in between when it comes to taste vs stealth, the Solo, Ascent and Inhalater XP are your best bets. Incidentaly, since taste is directly related to the amount of conduction in the unit, and conduction needs less power, these units have the biggest battery life of all portables.

If 2 hours of autonomy is not enough, then go with flame based units.
My top three choices atm: Lotus, Vaponic and Vapman.

Well put!

 

[pakalolo]

The was to show I was poking fun at you, no harm meant. I do think that if you found the flavour from the LB that bad then you never managed to learn how not to scorch your weed. I think you probably could have learned better technique, even from someone who was smoking joints in the 60s like me.

 

[ataxian]

The was to show I was poking fun at you, no harm meant. I do think that if you found the flavour from the LB that bad then you never managed to learn how not to scorch your weed. I think you probably could have learned better technique, even from someone who was smoking joints in the 60s like me.

Exactly my point!

 

[Caligula]

I don't think people should choose to buy a vaporizer considering other people... would you choose a car based on the advantages for the passengers or you mainly think of price, fiability, engine performance and mileage?

You're asking someone from a country where single individuals fetch groceries in $60k+, modified 8000lb,V8 powered, 8 passenger, 4WD SUVs, 365 days a year... all because the family next door had one as well.

 

[clouded vision]

You're asking someone from a country where single individuals fetch groceries in $60k, modified 8000lb,V8 powered, 8 passenger, 4WD SUVs... 365 days a year.

Along those same lines, if I were going to buy a car that I knew I was going to let my friends drive all the time, I would buy an automatic for my own piece of mind. That way I'm not constantly worrying about them damaging it because they don't know how to use it properly.

 

[ataxian]

You're asking someone from a country where single individuals fetch groceries in $60k, modified 8000lb,V8 powered, 8 passenger, 4WD SUVs... 365 days a year.

The analogy of the car would fit if the guys with CLOUD EVO's or Volcano's drove ROLLS ROYCE'S!
My cars are cheap and so are my vaporizers!

 

[Caligula]

Not to derail but a large portion of the decision to buy my wife's car was based on the fact that we have a child. Yes, passenger advantages played a major role in choosing that specific vehicle.

@ataxian AMG? Or is that just the wheel package?

 

[vorrange]

Caligula, your last point illustrates my point. You are only thinking of yourself, or is not your child such an inherent part of you?

But you're not choosing your car based on how well your friends will drive it without smashing it or losing control and start spinning, are you?

Why do people have this need when buying a vaporizer? I had the same urge and i learned at my own cost, that it is a mistake. You just have to let them use, only if you can trust them that they know how to drive a stick shift vaporizer!!

I don't think the Rolls or Mercedes analogy is accurate... flame based units can be more like a Mercedes in terms of quality and fiability as well as vapor quality, and still be cheap.
It's just that they are difficult to master for someone entirely new, unlike battery powered units.

Although even battery powered units can be badly handled by newbies... they either pull too hard, or exhale immediately or don't maintain draw speed or take very small hits.. the difference is that no bowl gets torched this way, so, not any real harm done.

 

[RUDE BOY]

No Hybrids around here. Gonna jump in my Hummer and take a long gas guzzling ride.

@malelz I really like my DaVinci it complements the Magic Flight quite well IMHO. Easy to use and great vapor production everyone that I have shared it with are impressed with the unit and the effects. I don't think you could go wrong picking one up. I am also loving my pinnacle and believe it or the PNpro is a great option although not as good in a group as the DV.