Medical Florida

[Baron23]

There's a lot of prejudice against cannabis by conservative old white men.

The anti-prop representative in THIS article is a woman, Carol....just in case we need to be reminded of the pitfalls of broad generalizations and characterizations. Yes, I am an old conservative white male and do take exception to this type of stereotyping of my demographic.

As far as the content of the article, as well as moratoriums and resistance by politicians to the will of the people in other states since the Nov votes, my view is that a lot of elitist, "we know what's good for you and will make you do it", politicians received the boot by the electorate in this last cycle. I'm hopeful that these other assholes trying to find ways around pretty damn clear referendum results will also soon find themselves out of office and having to make an honest living.

 

[grokit]

There's a lot of old and not-so-old church ladies and moralistic moms that like to attack mmj & many aspects of decriminilization. They seem like the most vocal anti-cannabis group to me. They're always white.

 

[Scott A]

There's a lot of prejudice against cannabis by conservative old white men. Not sure what your legislature consist of but that would be a good guess.

Thank you for showing your prejudices

 

[unsorted]

Thank you for showing your prejudices

It's not really showing any prejudice to point out something that is true. The only negative demographics in this recent survey were the older (71-88) and conservative (Repub.) groups.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...for-marijuana-legalization-continues-to-rise/

 

[CarolKing]

In my reply above I should have added Reoublican old white men - and no, I'm not prejudice, I just do a lot of watching and reading as to what's going on in the cannabis industry. Sorry if I hurt anyone's feeling. There are those that have been in office for too long and have outdated ideas. They are still worried about the "war on drugs (weed). These lawmakers need to get with it and educate themselves.

There's a lot of prejudice against cannabis by conservative old white men. Not sure what your legislature consist of but that would be a good guess.

It takes a state a while to get cannabis up and running for medical as well as legal rec. it took almost 2 years for the legal rec to get underway in WA state. Oregon did it the right way with their legal system. They tapped into their medical cannabis. I understand FL cant do that.

There will be folks that are against cannabis that will try to screw things up for the medical patients just be ready for that. That doesn't look like fake news to me above. It looks pretty probable. Cannabis advocates will be on their toes along with their lawyers.

Also the white religious right males and females. I was talking about the old white men that are our lawmakers that are making the rules to make things difficult. Some need to retire.
@Baron23 again not meaning to offend. You are in the minority my friend. Things are getting better because the weed users are getting older.

Edit
Most of our lawmakers are older white men. I would like to see a wide mixture of folks helping to make the laws - women, blacks, Hispanics, native Americans and asians. Also folks of all religions and those that are atheists.

Sorry @Baron23 that you are taking this so personally. It wasn't meant to be an attack on anyone on FC. I just get so tired of all the hoops that the cannabis industry has to jump through.

Make sure those in FL are emailing and calling your folks in office and voicing your opinion on medical cannabis and making it available as soon as possible. You've waited too long already.

 

[grokit]

Has anybody seen/been to a local community meeting regarding this subject? The population almost always votes for decriminalization, and the church ladies try (and fail) to rally popular support against it.

It may be the white conservative man's policies, but it's their wives and daughters that are the most vocal.

 

[Baron23]

In my reply above I should have added Reoublican old white men - and no, I'm not prejudice

I'm also a Republican and continue to take strong exception to your stereotyping prejudiced pejorative characterizations.

Your statements here are the definition of prejudice.

I agree that there are many who have been in office too long. Would you include Nancy Polosi, Barbra Boxer, and Dianne Feinstein in in that group? I suspect not. Just old white male Republicans.

I'm out of this conversation.

 

[Scott A]

It's not really showing any prejudice to point out something that is true. The only negative demographics in this recent survey were the older (71-88) and conservative (Repub.) groups.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...for-marijuana-legalization-continues-to-rise/

Are you seriously so biased that you dont even read the research that you quote? Check out the Hispanic column with 49% illegal vs 46% legal. I guess that doesnt follow your racist narrative though.

 

[gangababa]

Everywhere!
Labels and identities.
Where are the realities of humanity.
Conscious beings do unconscionable things because of one "ism", that attached to ego.
Bodies bleed and people attend church.
Someone is wrong. There is too much overlap.
Progress vs regress, even on on progressive matters.
All other prejudices, demographics, polling, naming, rejecting, cutting and dicing "isms" are distraction.
What direction are we going, freedom or walls?
What promise those who seek to wield political power?
What shout their followers?
Birds of a feather flock together and too many leaders (likely not you) and followers (certainly not you) of one political persuasion are not progressive.
Name a decade and tell me what now lost ought to have conserved. How to have saved that without all of the then inequities?
1860
1890
1930
1950
2000
Or point out the obvious in your own word-choice for that decade's (evil, sins, wrongs, inhumanities, brutalities and anti-PC's) and ask where the regressive voices stood.
Attachment to 'now' defined as the experience of any past decade, or to be stuck anywhere, is to live a flypaper life. All progress that any believe to be good came not from lack of change.

Any resemblance in this post to people, live or dead, is pure coincidental inference and is not implied.

 

[Scott A]

Everywhere!
Labels and identities.
Where are the realities of humanity.
Conscious beings do unconscionable things because of one "ism", that attached to ego.
Bodies bleed and people attend church.
Someone is wrong. There is too much overlap.
Progress vs regress, even on on progressive matters.
All other prejudices, demographics, polling, naming, rejecting, cutting and dicing "isms" are distraction.
What direction are we going, freedom or walls?
What promise those who seek to wield political power?
What shout their followers?
Birds of a feather flock together and too many leaders (likely not you) and followers (certainly not you) of one political persuasion are not progressive.
Name a decade and tell me what now lost ought to have conserved. How to have saved that without all of the then inequities?
1860
1890
1930
1950
2000
Or point out the obvious in your own word-choice for that decade's (evil, sins, wrongs, inhumanities, brutalities and anti-PC's) and ask where the regressive voices stood.
Attachment to 'now' defined as the experience of any past decade, or to be stuck anywhere, is to live a flypaper life. All progress that any believe to be good came not from lack of change.

Any resemblance in this post to people, live or dead, is pure coincidental inference and is not implied.

Man Ive read this 4 times now and I still cant tell what in the world you are trying to say.

 

[Concupiscient]

What does land use regulations really mean, please?

 

[Scott A]

What does land use regulations really mean, please?

Typically zoning issues at least in my county that is what is going on. This isnt just a marijuana thing though its always a fight with the county on zoning with everything.

 

[CarolKing]

Zoning

One of the most hotly contested elements in regulating medical marijuana grow houses in South Florida is zoning – that is, where can these grow houses be located within cities? Each city will set its own zoning regulations, of course, but most municipalities have similar concerns. How close to a school or church should grow houses be allowed? Can they operate in downtown areas? Should they be allowed to operate near parks? It’s similar to the zoning regulations that are in effect for bars and other “adult” operations.

 

[BD9]

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...for-marijuana-legalization-continues-to-rise/

There’s Only One Demographic That Still Thinks Marijuana Should Be Illegal.

The holdouts: Silent Generation conservatives

From that Pew Research brief, we can see via the chart that the overall split regarding attitudes toward legalization is sitting around 57% for, and 37% against. But when you dig into the data a bit and break it down by demographic, there are only two sets that still have majorities who say the use of cannabis should be illegal.

The second group is “Conservative Republicans,” which disapprove of legalization by 62% to 33%. What’s interesting here, however, is that other subsets of Republicans, by Pew’s measurements, show support for legalization by a 2:1 margin. It’s the conservative wing that is tilting the overall “Republican” category.

Altogether, though, we can see that older, Silent Generation conservatives are the only remaining group that is against legalization.

“Republicans are internally divided over marijuana legalization. By a wide margin (63% to 35%), moderate and liberal Republicans favor legalizing the use of marijuana. By contrast, 62% of conservative Republicans oppose legalizing marijuana use, while just 33% favor it,” Pew’s brief says.

That schism among Republicans really seems to be the game-changer at this point, as Democrats are more or less on the same page with each other. “The differences among Democrats are more modest. Liberal Democrats are 23 percentage points more likely than conservative and moderate Democrats to favor legalization (78% vs. 55%),” Pew says.

 

[Concupiscient]

We are a peculiar species ...

 

[Scott A]

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...for-marijuana-legalization-continues-to-rise/

There’s Only One Demographic That Still Thinks Marijuana Should Be Illegal.

The holdouts: Silent Generation conservatives

From that Pew Research brief, we can see via the chart that the overall split regarding attitudes toward legalization is sitting around 57% for, and 37% against. But when you dig into the data a bit and break it down by demographic, there are only two sets that still have majorities who say the use of cannabis should be illegal.

The second group is “Conservative Republicans,” which disapprove of legalization by 62% to 33%. What’s interesting here, however, is that other subsets of Republicans, by Pew’s measurements, show support for legalization by a 2:1 margin. It’s the conservative wing that is tilting the overall “Republican” category.

Altogether, though, we can see that older, Silent Generation conservatives are the only remaining group that is against legalization.

“Republicans are internally divided over marijuana legalization. By a wide margin (63% to 35%), moderate and liberal Republicans favor legalizing the use of marijuana. By contrast, 62% of conservative Republicans oppose legalizing marijuana use, while just 33% favor it,” Pew’s brief says.

That schism among Republicans really seems to be the game-changer at this point, as Democrats are more or less on the same page with each other. “The differences among Democrats are more modest. Liberal Democrats are 23 percentage points more likely than conservative and moderate Democrats to favor legalization (78% vs. 55%),” Pew says.

Seriously that is the same article the guy above linked to and I find it horribly disingenuous that you completely leave out the last paragraph in which states

"As past Pew Research Center surveys have found, Hispanics are less supportive of legalizing marijuana than are whites or blacks. Hispanics are divided – 49% say the use of marijuana should be illegal, while 46% say it should be legal."

Stop pushing propaganda.

 

[BD9]

Seriously that is the same article the guy above linked to and I find it horribly disingenuous that you completely leave out the last paragraph in which states

"As past Pew Research Center surveys have found, Hispanics are less supportive of legalizing marijuana than are whites or blacks. Hispanics are divided – 49% say the use of marijuana should be illegal, while 46% say it should be legal."

Stop pushing propaganda.

Carol and Unsorted were attacked for making posts that you and baron claim is 'racist' and 'prejudiced'. They posted facts from the article. While Hispanics are at a 3% approve/disapprove gap, it's far less than the gap between republicans that approve/disapprove.

62% of conservative Republicans oppose legalizing marijuana use. This contradicts what both you and baron and have said.

 

[Concupiscient]

Dang - That HOLLYWEED sign is good medicine ... just not for every neighborhood.
Wait, is this the "if your baked & awake, post here" thread ...

 

[Baron23]

Carol and Unsorted were attacked for making posts that you and baron claim is 'racist' and 'prejudiced'.

If that was your idea of an attack, you need to go to a college campus and find a safe spot so where you can get trigger warnings. sigh

As far as I can tell, I'm not the one that came up with ANY generalized, stereotyped, pejorative characterizations in this thread. See what I'm saying here, bubba?

I will take exception to every time someone one broadly uses the "old white heterosexual Republican men" stereotype as their personal bogey man for the issue of the day. Its as equally offensive and inaccurate as any other broad brush stereotype.

Just to be clear, I don't have any white guilt, I not at all ashamed that I am a heterosexual man, and finally I'm proud to be a Republican but like any other set platform issues I disagree strongly with the current consensus policy of the Republican Party on specific issues and policy.

So, put that in your vape and smoke it.

 

[BD9]

If that was your idea of an attack, you need to go to a college campus and find a safe spot so where you can get trigger warnings. sigh

As far as I can tell, I'm not the one that came up with ANY generalized, stereotyped, pejorative characterizations in this thread. See what I'm saying here, bubba?

I will take exception to every time someone one broadly uses the "old white heterosexual Republican men" stereotype as their personal bogey man for the issue of the day. Its as equally offensive and inaccurate as any other broad brush stereotype.

Just to be clear, I don't have any white guilt, I not at all ashamed that I am a heterosexual man, and finally I'm proud to be a Republican but like any other set platform issues I disagree strongly with the current consensus policy of the Republican Party on specific issues and policy.

So, put that in your vape and smoke it.

Thank you for having a civil and respectful conversation.

Broadly? Congress is 80 percent white, an equal amount male, and 92 percent Christian. Legislators from the baby-boomer generation have a disproportionate influence in America’s legislatures, with nearly twice as many members as their overall share of the U.S. population would warrant.

To stay more on topic, in the Florida state legislature there are, as of November 2016, 79 republicans and 41 democrats. So this Pew survey helps to make what Carol and Unsorted have posted valid.

 

[Stu]

This thread has lost its way and has devolved into name calling and ugly accusations. As it is disrupting the harmony of the forum, it is being shut down.