Liquidizer vs. own PG/PEG mix

[bartmajewski]

Hello,

I just wonder; isn't better to make your own 'liquidizer' with PG/PEG?
If so, does anyone have a good mix ratio tip for PG/PEG/anything else?

Also, I would like to ask you if anyone tried Wax Liquidizer?

Thanks for answers in advance.

Cheers.

 

[Heisenburger]

I keep a mixture in a dropper of PEG400 with 2 drops of terpenes per ml, and I mix this in about a 2:1 ratio of concentrate to diluent. This makes a base liquid that can be further diluted with PG or a premade juice with very low VG.

 

[Hackerman]

Wasn't it determined that PG PEG VG and those types of dilutants were bad for you? Was it lipid pneumonia? Somehow, I recall something bad with those. Maybe not.

On that note, just don't use Viscosity from True Terpenes. It's allegedly mineral oil or worse. Tests are going on right now.

 

[Heisenburger]

The thing with PEG is that it can turn into formaldehyde at very high temps, IIRC something like a whole cigarette's worth in a single breath. Vaping it at normal e-cig temperatures is fine, although I still wouldn't recommend using it with a low ohm dripper or similar device.

 

[Hackerman]

Yeah, that was it, formaldehyde. Also, I was just reading that it is water based so it doesn't mix well with the oil based cannabis and ends up separating.

 

[Heisenburger]

VG causes separation, but PEG400 mixes perfectly. The only real down side I've found is that it dries you out big time, so I only use it as needed to absorb the concentrate and use PG from there. If I don't feel like diluting that much I can use more terps but that is more costly and easy to overdo it.

 

[Smokinjoe]

VG causes separation, but PEG400 mixes perfectly. The only real down side I've found is that it dries you out big time, so I only use it as needed to absorb the concentrate and use PG from there. If I don't feel like diluting that much I can use more terps but that is more costly and easy to overdo it.

I was under the impression of the opposition?

It’s peg400 horrible for u if vaped at a hi enough temp?

I know vg isn’t the greatest but healthier in terms of formaldehyde exposure??

Last, can u just add a couple extra drops of Terp of offset it ??

 

[Smokinjoe]

Anyone on a good Terp / vg ratio to concentrate

I have all 3 and wana dilute down the wax into pre fill 510s

???

 

[Deleted Member 1643]

The thing with PEG is that it can turn into formaldehyde at very high temps

If we're thinking of the same study, the author had an undisclosed conflict of interest in promoting MCT oil. Doesn't necessarily invalidate the study but raises doubts.

The only real down side I've found is that it dries you out big time, so I only use it as needed to absorb the concentrate and use PG from there.

Probably the best way to do it, IMO.

 

[Heisenburger]

Anyone on a good Terp / vg ratio to concentrate

I have all 3 and wana dilute down the wax into pre fill 510s

???

Don't use VG, it will cause separation, even if you cut the mix with PG/PEG first.

 

[macbill]

I use Connoisseur Concentrate (MrExtractor.com) terpenes, and have had good luck, using their directions. You don't need a lot: just a few drops/gram. Check their videos out.

 

[Smokinjoe]

Ok

I’ll leave the VG out

I have a 10ml vial of Elevatiom terps, lemon flavor


I assume a drop or two for each g of concentrate??

Put concentrate in shot glass on lowest stove setting n let it melt down.

Than add Terp n stir...??

 

[Hippie]

I'm seeing a few differences between the products off the shelf to do this.
Does anyone know what's in the auto winterizer and dewaxer liquids you get with the vapeur extract for example?
According to their blurb you mix it, leave it to separate upto 24hrs then push it through a filter on the syringe and hey presto you have a winterized liquid to put in your carts.


I read somewhere recently that if you're just adding terps it's easier to start with frozen oil or rosin and smash it to create a powder while it's still frozen and mix the terps with the smashed up bits.

 

[macbill]

I 've placed a shot glass in water off the boil, but whatever works for you. Some heat over an open flame, passing a small glass vial back and forth. Just remember that terpenes evaporate at a lower temp than water. In fact, over time, the terps can evaporate in the ccell, but you can always add a drop of terp and mix w/ a toothpick or heat with a hair dryer and turn it over and over.

 

[Heisenburger]

It really takes very little heat, you barely need to warm the glass with a torch and it will melt.

As for mixture, I premix my diluent from PEG400 and terpenes, with just a few drops of terps per ml of PEG. This gives me a terp-flavored solution that mixes nicely with a good tacky rosin, not overwhelmingly terpy.

It's a trade-off, really. PEG400 dries your throat and terpenes are quite intense, but both are solvent so you can find the balance that works for you. My preference is to go light on terps, but the blends I've been using are high in pinene so other blends might do better with a higher ratio to PEG.

 

[Smokinjoe]

Ok brother

Buying some peg 400

Going to do a couple tiny batches of just Terp n see what I get

Everything I’ve read has said it will separate but all the health bs I’ve read say it’s the least harmful....so that’s why I bought just terps n vg

 

[Jong]

I keep a mixture in a dropper of PEG400 with 2 drops of terpenes per ml, and I mix this in about a 2:1 ratio of concentrate to diluent. This makes a base liquid that can be further diluted with PG or a premade juice with very low VG.

I'm reading alot of articles, forums and stuffs about liquidizer for diluting rosins, wax or shatters and seems your method is the most efficient and convenient of them all for what I experienced mixing stuffs. I did tried making tincture infusing flower into PGVG mixture and sadly thats better hitting than this rosin method I did.

Here is my experience and ratios
Rosin 1G / Flavoured PG 9ML / VG 10ML
Rosin pressed at 190F for 3 mins
Decarbing at 250F 60 mins
Water bath mixing at 160F 30 mins with flavoured PG
Final mix with VG until even consistency

Result:
The final ejuice was cloudy (due to VG as everyone saying) little amount of fats and lipids (I didn't filter the rosin and it causing clog in my our pods) and there is quite a ring of oil top of the pod tank (separation) and when tank is empty there is a lot of oils in the walls of the tank (I know it's oil because it didn't rinse off with water unlike normal vape juice) flavour is really flat we can still taste the rosin (maybe because I didn't filter) after a day or two there is no effects while vaping so basically I wasted a batch, time, money and effort.

I'm finding a mixture ratio that will make a gram stretch out for everyday vaping most importantly for my arthritis and wife's insomnia, The high is OK lasting 30 mins up, not too much but it's quite good just for me and wife's preference.

I'm thinking of another method almost the same with what I did last time but with different mixture ratios and added equipment for a cleaner output.

Next method, material and ratios
Rosin 1G / PEG400 1-2ML / Flavoured PG 13ML / VG 4ML
1G rosin pressed in 100 or 90 micron bags for 3 mins
Decarbing at 250F for 60 mins.
Water bath mixing at 160F 30 mins with PEG400
Syringe filter in 0.22 micon straining fats and lipids
Final mix with VG and mix.

My question is where did I go wrong?
Am I missing PEG400 for the oil to stay suspended and not separating to the mixture?
Will the Flavoured PG hide the taste of rosin and PEG400?
If the mixture is high in PG like mention above will this be too runny and still a vapeable ejuice?
Will small amount of VG can separate the oil into PEG400?
Is the mixture I wrote will not be harsh in the throat?

BTW I will use a UWELL Caliburn G and RELX infinity both performing best at 50/50 vgpg ratio.

Any suggestions, recommendations from this thread will be highly appreciated. I'm really frustrated and want to learn more about liquidizer mixture.

Thanks Heisenburger for letting people now the secret is PEG400. :-)

 

[Drknowone]

Hi,

Were you able to figure out how make a stable vape juice using rosin? I”m in a similar spot as you are , I have done a 50/50 mix of pg/ VG and 3 to one ratio to rosin. I put it on my magmatic hot plat for an hour and half at 60C/ 140f. It still separates. I purchased some peg400 and was hoping that was the answer, but if have a solid recipe please,please,please let me now