Let's talk desktops!

[Adobewan]

With all this talk of Log vapes, I've got to throw in a shout out for Dave at @underdog vapes.
Great, great log vapes, extremely generous guy, and top notch CS. Unfortunately, I believe, he lost his shop due to a fire(sorry I haven't kept up on his thread).
While there are many log vape creators on this forum that I admire and recommend(Hi Ed!), maybe peek over at Underdog and see if Dave's back up and running.
Good luck @rnartian

 

[justcametomind]

As @YaMon said, think twice about your choice of buying a desktop in such a situation. You share the same room with other people who don’t partake. How do you think owning such a thing (other than using it at your place) would be a good idea? You are in a group. Why don’t you ask someone else to take the risk?
And frankly Cloud Evo doesn’t seem discreet at all to me, especially with that super stealthy 4 players adapter on top.

 

[rnartian]

As @YaMon said, think twice about your choice of buying a desktop in such a situation. You share the same room with other people who don’t partake. How do you think owning such a thing (other than using it at your place) would be a good idea? You are in a group. Why don’t you ask someone else to take the risk?
And frankly Cloud Evo doesn’t seem discreet at all to me, especially with that super stealthy 4 players adapter on top.

Hi there!

Don't worry, we've all got separate rooms, and they're not nosey bastards; it would just be for peace of mind that I have something that looks less like drug paraphernalia when they hang out in my room. But I also understand your concern. That's why I was thinking a log would be perfect, since it could be used as an actual aromatherapy device during the day anyway.

I guess I was thinking about a desktop because the M, while awesome, gets annoying to light constantly (IH soon but not yet), and I only use my GH in situations where I need absolute stealth (so not at home) because failure fear and the battery situation. I would probably be a medicinal patient if I lived in any other state, and I microdose constantly throughout the day, so I figured maybe asking about desktops that might suit me would be good.

Talk of the EVO and the Vapir came up after I mentioned that my friends who do partake absolutely love hookah, and I'm kind of the main "vaper" in our group lol. I've gotten them to try a few of them, but I was hoping for something that I *know* they'd love (which is That 70s Show-esque group sessions like we used to have in college with hookahs). That was more of a "hey, wouldn't this be awesome? I could have a log AND a party vape I bring out once a week or so a month for when my bros visit."

But with all the info I've gathered, I'm pretty set on a log first (which log, I'm not sure--still looking into all of them) for my own specific needs and maybe a glass hookah thing we could all use to save money and see if they really dig it. If so, then I'd probably check out the EVO or Vampir down the line.

Sorry if it seems irresponsible. I won't lie, a lot of it is because I've only tried what... 4? different vapes so far (all portables) and I'm still looking for ideal set up to fit my needs (I have my M for quick tokes, GH for being subtle out and about, but nothing for micro dosing at home, and nothing I can use with a large group).

 

[Jill NYC]

(which is That 70s Show-esque group sessions like we used to have in college with hookahs)

Oh, how I miss the circle. Those were fun times!

Sorry if it seems irresponsible. I won't lie, a lot of it is because I've only tried what... 4? different vapes so far (all portables) and I'm still looking for ideal set up to fit my needs (I have my M for quick tokes, GH for being subtle out and about, but nothing for micro dosing at home, and nothing I can use with a large group).

A log sounds like the ideal setup for you to be able to micro dose in the house throughout the day. Take care of you first, friends later

 

[ginolicious]

I second the log. Cheapest log you will get is the epic vape enano. $200 and you rocking. Can also buy more stems for it later on. It’s kinda the next one of my list to buy. I have way too many portables and only one desktop that is barely used.

 

[Ramahs]

I'm going to be looking through threads for all the vapes you all have mentioned here and see reviews to see which would fit my needs the most.

Don't worry, you'll have most of them eventually

I second the log. Cheapest log you will get is the epic vape enano. $200 and you rocking. Can also buy more stems for it later on. It’s kinda the next one of my list to buy. I have way too many portables and only one desktop that is barely used.

LoLz. I have two woodscents logs, but I want a third. I'd like to get one of Ed's 2019 Woodscents models before he changes the body style again! I currently have a 2017 body-style model, as well as a 2018 body-style model.

 

[letter never sent]

I definitely recommend a log, but I don't think it's the answer for groups of 4-6 people. The bowl is too small. Plus, my Woodscents is one of my most prized possessions. I don't really want a bunch of other people messing with it.

E-Nano is cheaper and would be a great first log. But, Ed's craftsmanship is second to none, and you get a ton of useful accessories with the WS. For yourself, you should absolutely grab a log ASAP.

For groups, you could look at the 7th Floor desktops. Yes, I know they are not the most inconspicuous devices, but they can also be used as essential oil diffusers. For portables, maybe something like a Mighty would do the trick? Easy to pass around, fairly large bowl, simple to use, etc.

 

[virtualpurple]

I fully endorse the log idea.

since you already have an M, the woodscent would play well into your existing ecosystem. One big plus is that you will receive a tip and cap I. Your bundle, so you will now have two vapcaps.

I would bet that you can easily take care of 6 people without any struggle. To speed up the process of emptying the herb chamber you could always use a poke-a-bowl, which is an ashtray with a spike in the middle which will help expedite your dumping of the herb.

the vapcaps are quick and easy to load, and the woodscent pumps out huge dense clouds.

I also really like the underdog vaporizer. Dave and Amanda are great folks and ensure their customers are well taken care of!

There’s one other option I can think of, though maybe it’s been suggested already, but take a look at the MUSA vape by @MUSA Vaporizer. If heats with a halogen bulb and looks similarish to logs. However it has an 18mm glad joint up top like the Evo. However it uses EVO basket screens, which means you could pack larger loads than the vapcap and spend less time refilling.

best of luck!

 

[MUSA Vaporizer]

I fully endorse the log idea.

since you already have an M, the woodscent would play well into your existing ecosystem. One big plus is that you will receive a tip and cap I. Your bundle, so you will now have two vapcaps.

I would bet that you can easily take care of 6 people without any struggle. To speed up the process of emptying the herb chamber you could always use a poke-a-bowl, which is an ashtray with a spike in the middle which will help expedite your dumping of the herb.

the vapcaps are quick and easy to load, and the woodscent pumps out huge dense clouds.

I also really like the underdog vaporizer. Dave and Amanda are great folks and ensure their customers are well taken care of!

There’s one other option I can think of, though maybe it’s been suggested already, but take a look at the MUSA vape by @MUSA Vaporizer. If heats with a halogen bulb and looks similarish to logs. However it has an 18mm glad joint up top like the Evo. However it uses EVO basket screens, which means you could pack larger loads than the vapcap and spend less time refilling.

best of luck!

Thanks for mentioning me! <3

The new Musa V2 is for waterpipe use only.
It's more like a herborizer or de verdamper. Now the herbs get filled directly into the waterpipe glass adapter. That makes usage much easier/faster, more effective.

 

[blokenoname]

Logs are always a great choice for a compact and inconspicuous looking desktop

With a bit of craftsmanship and a drill press, you could even build your very own Log

This is my Misty Log, a DIY project

 

[Madri-Gal]

Logs are always a great choice for a compact and inconspicuous looking desktop

With a bit of craftsmanship and a drill press, you could even build your very own Log

This is my Misty Log, a DIY project

That is a beautiful log vape, @blokenoname.
A log is a great idea for a desktop, especially when space is limited and discretion required.

 

[bossman]

You're getting solid advice from some well informed people here. HowEVER I think you're barking up the wrong tree shopping for a desktop. I think @YaMon may have already said as much.

Logs do make a useful "always on" station for someone who wants to have convection heating ready throughout the day. Unless you commit to having one plugged in and running all day, which doesn't even seem respectful in a college group house honestly, you're back to waiting fifteen minutes for them to heat up. Changing temps is similarly vague. I owned an Enano for most of last year and I'd turn it on at 7, wait a while, take my hits and then feel bad that it was warm to the touch and still on for hours. It only seemed to have a usable range of like 6 to 8 on the dial and any adjustment seemed to also take a few minutes to take effect. For me in my house full of Splinters that is just not useful at all.

I recently got the RBT deal for a Splinter ZV2 and V2 for $99. I have them each on a forty dollar Wismec RX Gen3 Dual and the flavor, consistency and convenience is everything I could ask for. The exception of course is that they aren't portable in the pocket vape sense. For around the house or in your room it's pretty near ideal though, especially when you compare it to the cost of the most popular session vapes and how much more hot air you'd need to withstand for equivalent extraction.

I can take a first hit on the ZV2 or V2 from a cold start and get a solid cloud in the first fifteen seconds of holding the fire button. From there I can temp step from 375 to 410° with no hot spotting or scorching. I'll keep the temps lower if I want the thickest coolest vapor while stretching the terps out for three big hits before stepping up just over 400° to finish. Or I can go straight to higher temps for more rapid extraction and more stony effects. At any point I can pause between hits without finding somewhere to safely place a hot stem and without turning anything off. This is what I think of as on demand now, not turning something on, checking the dial to see if the temp "7" is still where its set, and then waiting a while to get my first hit while I hold a corded log in the air or perch it on a bubbler.

Another fun option is a Sticky Brick. I love my og and it's the hardest hitting portable I've ever used. SBL has 20% off bubinga bricks this week too.

 

[rnartian]

There are so many replies now! You guys rock

But I get the general consensus is 1) wait until I move out (which, I mean, you're not wrong LOL) and also 2) when I'm ready for a desktop, a log is a great choice, and could be used for groups with more reloading.
I also have more log brands to look into that I didn't know about before!

I spend more time at home which is why I figured a desktop was the next logical step BUT you are right about the heating time, and the setting in general (maybe when I move out after grad?)

I'll have to look into the Splinter, too, since I've no idea how vapes that use mods work, other than some of them are interchangeable.
Sticky brick looks cool, but I know since I'm already annoyed with constantly using a torch with my M that I probably won't want to look into a brick

 

[GoldenBud]

@rnartian you live in the US? Splinter V1 plus shipping, from RastaBuddhaTao, how much it gets? but don't forget to add XL8R stems if they're available
it's gonna be like 80-90$ with the cooling stems, super cheap
and get like p80 from fasttech website. super cheap, super reliable, your friends will love u. p80+Splinter V1 will be the bomb. on demand cheap reliable 100% convection.
and portable...
P80 is 33$ i think on fasttech

120$ you'll get maximum results for getting 3-4 friends super stoned
*You still need 3-4 18650 LG HG2 Batteries, External charger
And 1-2 hours in youtube to see how to operate with mods
that's it...

 

[bossman]

@rnartian you live in the US? Splinter V1 plus shipping, from RastaBuddhaTao, how much it gets? but don't forget to add XL8R stems if they're available
it's gonna be like 80-90$ with the cooling stems, super cheap
and get like p80 from fasttech website. super cheap, super reliable, your friends will love u. p80+Splinter V1 will be the bomb. on demand cheap reliable 100% convection.
and portable...
P80 is 33$ i think on fasttech

120$ you'll get maximum results for getting 3-4 friends super stoned
*You still need 3-4 18650 LG HG2 Batteries, External charger
And 1-2 hours in youtube to see how to operate with mods
that's it...

Word. I should copy paste this to notes so I can use it word for word anytime I see a which vape thread here or on r/vaporents.

 

[rnartian]

@rnartian you live in the US? Splinter V1 plus shipping, from RastaBuddhaTao, how much it gets? but don't forget to add XL8R stems if they're available
it's gonna be like 80-90$ with the cooling stems, super cheap
and get like p80 from fasttech website. super cheap, super reliable, your friends will love u. p80+Splinter V1 will be the bomb. on demand cheap reliable 100% convection.
and portable...
P80 is 33$ i think on fasttech

120$ you'll get maximum results for getting 3-4 friends super stoned
*You still need 3-4 18650 LG HG2 Batteries, External charger
And 1-2 hours in youtube to see how to operate with mods
that's it...

Okay, splinter goes with the P80 (which is the battery), yeah? And the XL8R stems are a quality of life upgrade?

 

[invertedisdead]

IMO the heat up time of a desktop is nothing compared to the pure bliss of never having to fiddle with batteries and chargers.

 

[rnartian]

IMO the heat up time of a desktop is nothing compared to the pure bliss of never having to fiddle with batteries and chargers.

Yeah, that's honestly what I like about the idea of having a desktop. They seem to last a longer time, too. People talk about having had their logs and such for 8+ years, and I've heard even longer for the volcano and such.

 

[Abysmal Vapor]

If you vape at home and like using water filtration it is best to get a desktop.Even if battery powered devices satisfy one's needs, changing batteries gets old pretty quick when you have few people using it.
Imo desktops are better for people that prefer water filtration/very long airpath . I personally almost cannot stand dry vapor and direct draw. My teeth and mouth feels like crap after a session like that.Also i find that one of the biggest menaces to your lungs are particles,and they are the reason smoking j's is worst for your lungs.I totally understand why people transitioning from smoking would actually prefer that harshness cause it eases on their pavlorian reflex to commit self harm during the ritual. IMO an experienced vaporist knows that Vapor is better than smoking,but it aint mountain air + the threat of particles shooting with highspeed in your lungs remains.I've seen people using multiple fine mesh screens which helps with the particles,even seen some using hemp fiber,cotton ,liquid pads,but the finer the mesh the more cleaning it demands.,so it almost seems the same ammount of effort as cleaning a WP and the cooling is not even close to it.
Also batteries are VERY BAD for environment,if someone cares about mother nature i would advise using them only when needed. I had the TUBOevic which was an awesome vape,hitting quality up there with the desktops.. but battery lasted me only two sessions,i got really frustrated with getting 8 sessions out of 4 fully charged batteries,therefore i made myself a PA and converted it to desktop,so trading cordless for unlimited running time was no brainer for me. The PA is so bulky and heavy that it makes it the biggest desktop system i have ever owned.. I still have a TUBOx but i am using it only on special occassions and with a 3 battery mod,which is heavy as fuck.. (
So having gone trough a lot of vapes both battery powered and desktops, i cannot recommend to a heavy user or multiple users any battery operated portable. Unless you are unable to vape at home or somewhere with a plugin closeby i cannot see why one would need a battery powered for his MAIN vaporizer.
Also when sharing i suggest using if using a WP ,get one with a removable mouthpiece, I have adapted mine to accept 19/26 male ,i rarely vape with others but when it happens, everyone can have his moutpiece and you dont have to exchange bacteria and other shit,also those are pretty cheap if get broken.. (I have the FC-1000 with a male to female adapter with a silicon piece on the male plugged into the moutpiece, leaving the female part open to accept male stems).

 

[virtualpurple]

@Abysmal Vapor how hard was it to build the PA to convert your tubo? I’ve long been interested in doing something similar but I’m not sure how something like that goes.

I too have always found that the tubo has kept up with just about every desktop you could throw at it.

That is great advice on the bubbler as well. Do you have any pics of your WP with the 19:26? I know some folks don’t post pics so I understand if you don’t.

Another reason I prefer bubblers with removable mouthpieces is because you can incorporate a whip so easily into the mix.

 

[blokenoname]

As for leaving it on... the Misty above features a 7.5w cartridge heater. Even running it 24/7, that'll add maybe 10 bucks/year to your electricity bill

 

[bossman]

So having gone trough a lot of vapes both battery powered and desktops, i cannot recommend to a heavy user or multiple users any battery operated portable.

You made a lot of good points and it makes me want to be better about using my little bubblers more often at home.

The OP didn't say they were a heavy user though so I'm still not sure a log makes sense for a college student in a group house in an illegal state. Seems more like a job for any sort of portable so you could change rooms or leave the house. Kinda like how nobody wants a desktop computer anymore.

I wonder if I'll come back around to the world of desktops at some point. Even if I had something that looked like a log I think I'd want it to temp step precisely and immediately without fifteen minutes to warm up and without leaving it on all day. I mean if a Tinymight, Splinter Z, or Tetra can go from cold to just right in a hit or two I'm gonna still be too particular to ever want to fuck with something like that chintzy Enano dial again. And for all the deserved praise the Flowerpot receives the setup is too messy for my taste with four different pieces and a bubbler arrayed like a mad scientist's lab.

Also I charge my Splinter cells in their mods so it's not much different than keeping my other devices topped off. And with... let me see... nine Splinters in the mix a charged one is never far away.

 

[strech]

I love using my log. I wouldn't suggest one for someone who will want to use it regularly with more then 2 people. It's more a personal unit over a sech piece. If I'm using with a crowd 3+ I usually grab my air.

I think a portable like the Air/2 paired with a charger and extra batteries would be right up the op alley. Can attach to water pipes and reliability is great.

 

[invertedisdead]

And for all the deserved praise the Flowerpot receives the setup is too messy for my taste with four different pieces and a bubbler arrayed like a mad scientist's lab....And with... let me see... nine Splinters in the mix a charged one is never far away.

Isn't a Flowerpot setup pretty minimalist compared to nine Splinters?

 

[rnartian]

The OP didn't say they were a heavy user though so I'm still not sure a log makes sense for a college student in a group house in an illegal state. Seems more like a job for any sort of portable so you could change rooms or leave the house. Kinda like how nobody wants a desktop computer anymore.

When you're right, you're right, dangit. Guess I'll just keep it in mind and plan for a desktop (definitely a log, at least) a little further out, or if I end up moving to a friendly state after grad (not sure yet, or if I'll have the option).

And, no, I'm not a heavy user, in my opinion! I just dose frequently is all. But I guess any on-demand/convection vape could handle that. I do have the grasshopper, but the lack of batteries has it on the shelf at the moment. I love my dyna, but I'm not a huge fan of the "ritual" of using the torch when I use it as frequently. I was looking at other portables, but I figured, "wouldn't a desktop be more efficient in the long run?" This thread brought up a lot of things I hadn't thought about.

Even if I decide not to spring for a desktop right now, I'm glad I asked. I got honest opinions and a lot of info on different vapes, or vapes that are just as handy as desktops or just as easy to share with my friends. Thanks, everyone!

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