Keep One Man's Business Out Of Another Man's Store

[Snappo]

Some recent posts that started a comparo discussion, first on the UD thread and then continued on the Nano thread, in effect, pit one vape against the other, if only minorly so, subjectively favoring one over the other in specific aspects. Those were moved to an appropriate FC Forum venue by the mods. As I understand it, Accessory Makers and Manufacturers who've started threads on FC intend them only as an extension and showplace for their business wares, where their own product/s can be discussed and product-specific member experience can be shared and benefited from; not compared to other competitive products also featured on FC ...WRONG VENUE/WRONGFUL ETHIC! These manufacturer's threads were not intended to invite discussion involving competing vapes and how they fare against their own. That's why I think our FC Mods determined (and rightly so) to confine such discussions to threads of their own, apart from the vape makers threads. Such discussions, if allowed to propagate, tend to derail/co-mingle the vape maker's thread with discussion details that belong only on the competitor's thread.

It has always been my understanding that submitting posts regarding specific function & design and preference comparisons between one vape and another on a manufacturer's thread is taboo and not permitted by the FC powers that be - it also really seems inappropriate to me for several reasons: it derails the thread from its original purpose; discussing other vapes in detail on a thread dedicated to one particular vape is simply the wrong place; asking for advice on how to use another manufacturer's vape or accessory is wrong (original poster actually asked for tips on how to use the Nano/accessory in an Underdog post); comparisons are subjective and user specific based on preferences; can encourage defensive justification of one product over the other (further derailment, but perfectly fine if on it's own dedicated comparison thread) - I've seen it many times; should an Underdog enthusiast go to the Nano thread and espouse all of the [subjective] Underdog virtues vs. E-Nano? I think not! I could go on with more reasons, but you get the idea of where I'm coming from, I hope. Maybe I'm wrong about all this, but I believe the FC rules governing this are good ones for good reasons. That said, again, I see nothing wrong with posting tough, critical, subjective comparisons, just do it in the right venue is all, i.e., keep one man's business out of the other businessman's store.

Replying to FC'ers off-topic/product questions can be addressed via PM's, should one feel so compelled.

 

[RUDE BOY]

Is the resource section for raising a general discussion topic? like to take an example from the OP of this thread a E-nano, Underdog, HI comparison thread. In the past none of those kind of threads ever remained open for response for very long and became ABV awfully quick.

Where is the line drawn? can we even mention a vape in another's specific thread nowadays? I mean really, members mention fixes and cross uses of accessories from different vapes in most of the plug-in vape threads. Can i still say "yeah I use a MFLB whip on my HA" and the like? or is that all now taboo?

 

[Snappo]

Is the resource section for raising a general discussion topic? like to take an example from the OP of this thread a E-nano, Underdog, HI comparison thread. In the past none of those kind of threads ever remained open for response for very long and became ABV awfully quick.

Where is the line drawn? can we even mention a vape in another's specific thread nowadays? I mean really, members mention fixes and cross uses of accessories from different vapes in most of the plug in vape threads. Can i still say "yeah I use a MFLB whip on my HA" and the like? or is that all now taboo?

@Stu recommends the following: "Comparisons should be kept to a minimum in vape-specific threads. For comparisons between vapes going forward, you should post them here in the resources section."
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/e-nano-from-epicvape.7844/page-554#post-841015

Use good sense and ethical discretion.

 

[RUDE BOY]

@Stu recommends the following: "Comparisons should be kept to a minimum in vape-specific threads. For comparisons between vapes going forward, you should post them here in the resources section."
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/e-nano-from-epicvape.7844/page-554#post-841015

Use good sense and ethical discretion.

Thanx Snappo but you didn't really answer Any of the questions posed in my post above, vtac provided the same link above. I actually read his post then asked a question or two.

 

[Snappo]

Thanx Snappo but you didn't really answer Any of the questions posed in my post above, vtac provided the same link above. I actually read his post then asked a question or two.

I believe I answered your question/s (which disregard and trivialize the intent of the FC rule) in the best and broadest possible sense. It really is simple! Yes, for an example: you can "mention" by referencing something that may be in the same product category ...but not in a detailed or point counter-point compare/contrast context that may imply favor or superiority of one over the other. Be considerate of the vendor in whose FC kiosk you speak, as it is a foundation also of his bread and butter!

Use good sense and ethical discretion.

 

[RUDE BOY]

I believe I answered your question/s (which distort, disregard, and trivialize the intent of the FC rule)

Sorry but what you said above makes no sense, don't know what your problem is but I believe my questions would be better answered by a moderator who knows what they're talking about, Not You playing mod-for-a-day

I didn't trivialize, distort or disregard a fucking thing besides your answer to me above which was useless and gave me a link already provided by someone else.

The Resource section appears to be a "make a post and get Ratings/feedback" and not discussion so in effect when you post there it seems your not starting a thread for discussion just kinda making a one sided sticky. Am I wrong?

So my first question from my post above still stands as do the rest of 'em.


And since a Kiosk is a shop to sell your wares, can't see using the term to describe a thread on a Vaporizer Review forum.

 

[Snappo]

Sorry but what you said above makes no sense, don't know what your problem is but I believe my questions would be better answered by a moderator who knows what they're talking about, Not You playing mod-for-a-day

I didn't trivialize, distort or disregard a fucking thing besides your answer to me above which was useless and gave me a link already provided by someone else.

The Resource section appears to be a "make a post and get Ratings/feedback" and not discussion so in effect when you post there it seems your not starting a thread for discussion just kinda making a one sided sticky. Am I wrong?

So my first question from my post above still stands as do the rest of 'em.

Yes! I agree ...a mod needs to explain it to you. Why don't you take the initiative and ask them to explain the ABC's of common decency and business ethics to you, as directly pertain to the issue at hand. I have clearly tried and failed.
http://fuckcombustion.com/members/momofthegoons.2540/
http://fuckcombustion.com/members/pakalolo.954/
http://fuckcombustion.com/members/max.29/
http://fuckcombustion.com/members/stu.3025/
http://fuckcombustion.com/members/vtac.1/

"And since a Kiosk is a shop to sell your wares, can't see using the term to describe a thread on a Vaporizer Review forum."
You might try expanding your limited frame of reference to include a "kiosk" as also being a domain where public relations, promotion, and information sharing takes place, as is the case in the real world.

"The Resource section appears to be a "make a post and get Ratings/feedback" and not discussion so in effect when you post there it seems your not starting a thread for discussion just kinda making a one sided sticky. Am I wrong?"
Take that up with the mod who referred you there. I believe it is quite clear what to do when you get there, but you won't accept that from me either.

 

[jschubert29]

I was the reason for this thread, as I posted in the Underdog and E-nano threads. I saw no other open threads, and figured that the information would reach people most effectively that way. I know that when I was first interested in log vapes, I really wanted an in-depth comparison. I could not find a good one (or at least fewer good comparisons than I really wanted), so I made my own for the benefit of prospective log vape purchasers. I discussed this already with @Snappo and the mods moved my posts to a closed thread. This is fine by me, except that there is no way to add more info to the closed threads without having the mods move it first. I agreed that I had not followed the rules as well as I could have. To be honest, I wasn't aware that the rules were as particular about the matter as they are. I am really not sure why this thread was necessary as it seems to be publicizing an isolated issue that has already been handled.

 

[Snappo]

I am really not sure why this thread was necessary as it seems to be publicizing an isolated issue that has already been handled.

Because an intelligent grasp of the "issue" still remains a mystery to some. Your involvement at any point was/is no longer relevant to the matter as of long ago. The "issue" remains, and the rule will surely be questioned and violated again and again.

 

[jschubert29]

Has this been a recurring issue? (once again, a genuine question, not rhetorical or sarcastic)

 

[RUDE BOY]

How did this

@Stu recommends the following: "Comparisons should be kept to a minimum in vape-specific threads. For comparisons between vapes going forward, you should post them here in the resources section."
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/e-nano-from-epicvape.7844/page-554#post-841015

Answer any of this

Is the resource section for raising a general discussion topic? like to take an example from the OP of this thread a E-nano, Underdog, HI comparison thread. In the past none of those kind of threads ever remained open for response for very long and became ABV awfully quick.

Where is the line drawn? can we even mention a vape in another's specific thread nowadays? I mean really, members mention fixes and cross uses of accessories from different vapes in most of the plug-in vape threads. Can i still say "yeah I use a MFLB whip on my HA" and the like? or is that all now taboo?

and I haven't the slightest Idea of what "ABCs of Common decency and Business ethics have to do with anything I asked above.

Yes! I agree ...a mod needs to explain it to you. Why don't you take the initiative and ask them to explain the ABC's of common decency and business ethics to you, as directly pertain to the issue at hand. I have clearly tried and failed.

If you couldn't give an answer to my questions in post#3 on this page, Why try ? then get on my shit when you were the one being kind of a prick.

 

[Snappo]

How did this


Answer any of this


and I haven't the slightest Idea of what "ABCs of Common decency and Business ethics have to do with anything I asked above.

Thanks for posting and making my every point even more crystal clear!

 

[Stu]

First of all, let's cool down and stop with the personal attacks.

The Resource section appears to be a "make a post and get Ratings/feedback" and not discussion so in effect when you post there it seems your not starting a thread for discussion just kinda making a one sided sticky. Am I wrong?

RB, I'm waiting for clarification about this point and will let you know once I get confirmation. Until then, further discussion is not helpful.

Where is the line drawn? can we even mention a vape in another's specific thread nowadays? I mean really, members mention fixes and cross uses of accessories from different vapes in most of the plug-in vape threads. Can i still say "yeah I use a MFLB whip on my HA" and the like? or is that all now taboo?

I believe we went over this sufficiently via PM. If you still have questions or need clarification, you can PM me privately about it.

 

[Snappo]

Has this been a recurring issue? (once again, a genuine question, not rhetorical or sarcastic)

Yes. Hence the genesis of many discussions being directed to their own designated threads, as well as numerous mod interventions over the last few years when such infractions occurred. Check the ABV thread line, or key in search words such as compare, comparison, vs., etc.

 

[jschubert29]

I made a resource for my comparison: http://fuckcombustion.com/resources/comparison-between-underdog-log-vape-and-e-nano.9/


there shouldn't be any problems with it being off topic now.

EDIT: I have come to feel that the forum should allow some sort of venue for a discussion comparing two or more vapes. It seems to be an inadequacy of the FC forum. I understand that the forum wants to maintain its excellent manufacturers' presence, but I doubt that a fair discussion of comparison will drive any away.

 

[Petro]

@Stu @vtac

This is a great thread, despite almost getting out of hand!

For new "vapers" I think comparison threads are really useful. I love nitpicking the difference between different products and figuring out what fits your needs best. However this type of discussion definitely derails vendor threads, no doubt about it.

Instead of being "hidden" in the Resources tab perhaps a dedicated sub-forum should be created in Ask FC for comparisons between vapes - user-generated comparisons. For example, even though they are completely different products, there should be a Vapman vs. Lotus thread, as both are very popular butane powered vapes and similar enough to offer meaningful comparisons of the two, same with the log vapes. This type of discussion is really beneficial for newbies and will hopefully decrease the amount of "which vape should I buy" threads, from new members, that have been flooding the Ask FC and Vaporizer Discussion forums recently, and should also stop any temptation to ask these questions in the vendors thread.

 

[woolspinner]

Instead of being "hidden" in the Resources tab perhaps a dedicated sub-forum should be created in Ask FC for comparisons between vapes - user-generated comparisons.

Oh. Until I read this thread fully, I, uh, <blush> did not know there was a resource area.

Maybe, hmmm, that could be announced in the same way the abbreviations are? That is the one announcement I have never deleted!

 

[mikeben]

Glad things have calmed down as I think this is a needed thread. My first post was asking for a comparison thread as far as what to buy. While I didn't put it in either of the two vaporizers main threads, I did put it in the wrong area. The mods were nice enough to move it for me, and they were nice enough to close it when I made my decision which one to purchase. A lot of us just need to learn about the board when we first get here. I didn't know about no multiple posts on one thread etc.

 

[howie105]

Hey Snappo. Ethically you are correct however given the way boards work in general ethics are screwed.