Just Bought - Looking For advice

[ginolicious]

Hey guys,

New member here. Just bought a Vapir Rise 2.0.

I quit smoking bongs, weed and cigarettes all together for 2 years. My lung collapsed 2 years ago. It was a random collapse for smoking way too much like .5 bong hits in one pull, and a lot of cigarette smoking. I got back in to cure my anxiety and stress from work. I do not want another lung collapse hence switching to vape. But I do want a safe temp that gives me the high I will enjoy instead of the high from last night. (Read below to see that high) want an enjoyable high to cure anxiety and not make my brain race that my lung is going again. Sometimes when I smoke the pipe from before or a hot vape my chest gets a little heavy. Not looking for that feeling.

Recently tried an arizer air and loved it. So I bought my own vape.

Last night was the first day using it. I got wrecked. I was vaping at 193 degrees Celsius. I got wrecked I tell you. Chest felt kinda heavy my body was twitching a bit from the high. Not really a high I enjoyed. After 30 minutes of it I was liking it after it cooled down. I guess 193 is my limit.

What is a decent temp to vape at for people like me. Want a nice high that is relaxing not spinning you into anxiety or shit. I am a seasoned toker not vaper.

I'm thinking 175-180 degrees Celsius should be nice and achieve the high I want. Thoughts? Looking for that calming high without the heavy chest.

I did turn my heat down to 166 Celsius. But that was after I already had two pulls at 193 and was already on the rise up to that crazy high.

 

[Delta3DStudios]

Honestly, it sounds like you overdid it. Vaporizers are very efficient. Unlike combustion, there is much less waste (many vaporents find their monthly budget lasts MUCH longer than with combustion).

I would suggest the next time you try it, try loading half as much in the vape. Or better yet, set it to a temperature, take 1 or 2 puffs. And walk away. Wait 10-20 minutes before you try some more.

Also for what it's worth, I use low temperatures for "productivity" active highs - in the 165C to 185C. For a calming sedative (pain relieving) effect, you want to target the higher temperatures in the 185-215C range

Remember, unlike combustion, vaporizing is a delayed reaction - it will sneak up on you if you're not careful (which can kill your tolerance if you're not careful ). Seems like around 10 minutes is the magic number for me

 

[HomeFree]

Try using less and pop a domed screen in your stem. Sometimes at least for me a couple of large low temp hits will get my heart racing with the right strain (like some hazes for example, other than super lemon haze - edit: last one was ghost train haze, gave me a whitey, some strains are like a kick to the chest with "expando" terpenes as well)

If you have access to a dispensary ask for weed that kills stress or just say you want an indica that is not too 'heady'.

Domed screen works out well for me because I can run the temps up and get all the calming stuff that comes out at high temps without getting too high.

 

[CarolKing]

@ginolicious sounds like instead of slowly going about it - you threw caution to the wind with guns blazing. Going about vaporizing for the first time needs to be done in a controlled slow manor. Be respectful of the plant with what good it can do. But don't overdo especially if you haven't used cannabis in a while.

I think starting off using the lower tempretures and work up is good advice. Start off at 360 degrees. After a couple or a few draws wait for 15 min and see how you feel, if you need to take a few more draws.

Start off using Indica strains. Try thinking about using water filtration - using a water tool while vaporizing it helps with any harshness.

With vaporizing you can enjoy the taste of the different cannabis strains. When you blazed it all tasted the same, like an ashtray.

By the way welcome to Fuckcombustion. There are a lot of helpful knowledgeable folks who aren't just a bunch of stoners.

 

[HD Springer]

Ya. Why not just try the lower temps first. You can get good effects on taking hits that you think produce little to no vapor. Tastes are unreal. The effects are very subtle at first. Like previous posters said you can really over do it not realizing what you are actually getting on the low temps.Good luck to you. And enjoy!!

 

[ginolicious]

Thank you all for your replies.

Too clarify I put barely any weed in my vape. Maybe a .2-.3.

Thank you. I was curious if a 160 Celsius would even make me high without blowing out vapor. You guys tell me it will. If I vape that low I'll get high not wrecked like last night and won't have that heavy chest.

I'm smoking kush right now. I do not have a medical card nor have any dispensaries that offer weed without a card. I live in Canada.

I was smoking bud for a week and a half before the vape, but yeah I over did it.

If I take a few hits and walk away at 160 degrees should I turn the unit off before going back so vapor isn't wasted? Side note, THC Breaks up at 150 degrees Celsius. canabanoids break up at 180. So if I wanted some of those canabanoids, 160 degrees would not suffice? My thinking correct? I know all strains are different. This is just an approximate value. What would you all recommend for a nice high that ain't gonna make me trip hard but be relaxing the way it should be. 155 degrees Celsius? What is a decent starting point to get high with.

I guess last night I got high then just kept getting higher until I was fucked.

Thank you for your patience. I am new to the vape world. Had 1 volcano in 2006 then never had one until yesterday. I do understand weed strains as I did grow Mazar before. So do not be shy in that regard. For vapes I need it dumbed down as much as possible.

 

[Delta3DStudios]

Too clarify I put barely any weed in my vape. Maybe a .2-.3.

Yeah, you don't understand - 0.2 to 0.3g IS a lot for a vaporizer. I usually do 0.1g at a time and wait 10 minutes, and I vape very frequently.

If I take a few hits and walk away at 160 degrees should I turn the unit off before going back so vapor isn't wasted? Side note, THC Breaks up at 150 degrees Celsius

At 160C you'll get a lot of flavor, but not very visible vapor clouds. But you are blowing clouds! Get a bright flashlight and hold it up to your lips when you exhale

THC actually doesn't provide the calming relief you're looking for, it's the CBD's that you're after, which vaporize at higher temperatures. As @CarolKing said - try to use Indica strains and you'll have better results (for me personally, I use THC to treat my ADD, so I prefer Sativa's which are harder to find).

What is a decent starting point to get high with.

Start at 185C and use a smaller dose (less herbs, or less drags before turning off the vape).

Every body is different, what and how you handle cannabis is up to you and your experimentation. You already know what you did last night was too much. Time to dial things back and see where things go.

The "High" at a temperature of 160C is different from the high you feel at 200C. You will need to pack a fresh load of herb, and try different temperatures (by themselves! Don't mix up temperatures!) to find what works for you and your body.

 

[ginolicious]

Very informative. Guess I'm going to be a master at science.

So if i was putting too much makes sense. So by putting the amount that is now recommended that'll last for 10 minutes? A few pulls? Or is such a small bowl finished quickly and then one must repack?

If I do walk away with a bowl still going I always turn the fan off so I don't lose vapor but do I need to turn the heat off as well?

I think I'll try a small bowl at 160 tonight and before bed try 185

 

[Delta3DStudios]

So by putting the amount that is now recommended that'll last for 10 minutes? A few pulls? Or is such a small bowl finished quickly and then one must repack?

Don't know, I don't have or own a Vapir. Every vape works a bit differently. 0.1g can last 30 minutes in one vaporizer, or it could last 30 seconds in another (high powered) vaporizer.

If I do walk away with a bowl still going I always turn the fan off so I don't lose vapor but do I need to turn the heat off as well?

Really don't know much about the Vapir, you'll probably want to ask that in the Vapir thread

 

[Hashtag46&2]

Vaping at lower temps will exasperate those feelings of anxiety, go for higher temps to vaporize the THC-V,Delta 8, CBN,CBG,and CBD get that relaxing, comfortable high.

Sorry I can't help with the specifics on your vape, as I've only had the opportunity to use 7th floor products.

Good luck man.
-46&2

 

[shredder]

You know a large part of it is, after abstaining for two years, you have little or no tolerance. So as you grow familier with your new vape, your tolerance will also build. And you will remember these days fondly, lol.

I was drug tested for 25+ years, but on a rare occasion I used a little and also got huge effects. Now days I have to take strain breaks, and tolerance breaks. I don't miss drug testing, but I do miss the outlandish effects that a noob experiences, and I remember them fondly.

 

[ginolicious]

I think you are right. I thought beating a seasoned smoker that I would be able to jump back on. Well guys. I'm vaping at 160 Celsius. I'll let you know how she blows lol. No pun intended. My excited.

 

[CarolKing]

With the Enano, Arizer Air or the Solo vaporizer you can remove the hot stem and lay it on a heat resistant surface and turn the unit off for later use. Then you can just pick up where you left off. Also you can use just a tiny bit of herb if you want.

EDIT
Not sure about the Vapir Rise. You could dump your load out and put it back in for later. I have the Vapir No2 portable.

 

[HomeFree]

A quarter gram of herb for someone with essentially no tolerance is far too much. I share with a friend with no tolerance, and have him hit a mellow indica strain, maybe two small pulls. A quarter gram (full stem) of high quality pot will last me and my friends around 30 minutes in the Solo/Air.

Put it this way, a quarter gram contains around 50 mgs of THC. Essentially you loaded up enough herb to get high ten times over - for YOU, with little/no tolerance.

Heat from a direct flame kills THC, so you lose some when you smoke.

Personally I load up a stem and when I feel like I've had enough, I tap it out into my pile of ABV. If I only vaped a few draws, I just leave the stem in (cuts down on burns) and deal with less taste the next session rather than burn myself or make a mess.

Another trick you might want to try, on top of using a domed screen, is use AVB mixed in with fresh buds to occupy some space. That might be blasphemy to some but it works for me when I just want a few draws.

Shoot, I just saw you wrote you use a different vape than solo/air. I have not used that one. But still, for sure, you simply used too much.

Maybe try something citrusy with light terpenes that is gentle on the chest. Some of those terpenes can 'expand' in your chest, making you feel like you might be losing air. Most citrusy ones are sativas it seems, but the only time I really pay close attention to whether something is a 'sativa' or 'indica' is when in a club and the guy working the counter asks what I am looking for. At least most are on the same page as indica being a body high type of herb, and sativa being a head high type of herb.

When I go get herb that's what I tell them, either an indica effect, an indica leaning hybrid effect, a total hybrid, and a sativa leaning hybrid - usually it is just indica, hybrid, or sativa, but I found a great club that knows their strains really well. I have seen some supposed pure sativas in clubs, but they usually have a hybrid feel to me.

I only have two jars of what I would consider a very near 100% sativa effect. A thai strain, and some sour diesel that I think is just not fully mature. The blue dream clone is supposed to be 90% sativa, but it doesn't seem like that to me at all, and I know for sure I have buds from the commercial strain. I would say it feels a lot more like a 50/50 hybrid.

You're gonna have to try some different weed to see what you like, maybe ask a friend what kind they like for stress reduction. Usually I will reach for an OG or OG cross for stress relief.

Sorry for including info on the Air, could have sworn that was what you wrote, and saw CarolKing respond as well. But The same applies, use less weed.

And enjoy your vape. Fuck Combustion!

 

[ginolicious]

Last night was much better guys. Didn't think it would be that big of a science experiment.

I put a .1 for my wife and I, both haven't been blazing for a while. Bowl lasted about an hour. Near the end I was tasting the silicone tube. Took my chamber off and there was still some weed that could have been burned. I should have saved it. Or just left it in the chamber for tomorrow. Oh well. I burned at 160 last night. Wanted more of the body high. I'm going for 175 tonight. Don't want that harsh vapor like day 1 lol at 193.

Glad to know if I don't finish a chamber I can always save it for later.

Wish I had access to different herb. But I don't really have the luxury.

 

[Delta3DStudios]

Last night was much better guys. Didn't think it would be that big of a science experiment.

I put a .1 for my wife and I, both haven't been blazing for a while. Bowl lasted about an hour. Near the end I was tasting the silicone tube. Took my chamber off and there was still some weed that could have been burned. I should have saved it. Or just left it in the chamber for tomorrow. Oh well. I burned at 160 last night. Wanted more of the body high. I'm going for 175 tonight. Don't want that harsh vapor like day 1 lol at 193.

Glad to know if I don't finish a chamber I can always save it for later.

Very good experimentation! Indeed it sounds like you need to step up the temperature!

If 193C is too harsh on your throat, there are alternative methods to enjoy higher temperatures (bag filling, water filtration, etc). You may find that you prefer the effects at 205-210C, but it's too harsh to hit dry. You could then either add water filtration, or try a different vape

Again, that's all part of experimenting - to find what works for your body.

Hell, my wife really doesn't like cannabis, but she will drink some of my green-dragon or eat half of an edible from time to time. I can tell she prefer's the sedative effects in the cannabis. Meanwhile I strive for the low temperature THC "productive" highs. (Yeah, I don't ever drink coffee, THC is my caffeine )

Save your leftovers @ginolicious - just because you didn't extract everything from vaporizing doesn't mean you can't extract the leftovers at a later date. I store mine for a few weeks/months until I have enough ABV and then I make cannabutter to use for cooking edibles!

 

[ginolicious]

Tonight will be the third day with my new vape. Each day gets better. Hopefully 3rd time is a charm. Going for 175-180 degrees. Looking for the lazy high being the weekend. Hopefully it's not too hot. Ironic how a pipe isn't as hot the smoke yet is combusting at a higher temperature than vaping.

Is the smoke from a pipe hotter than the vapor at 180? I think so, am I wrong? It just feels different thats why I question myself. Who knew this would change my style and outlook on blazing I feel like a kid in high school toking for the first time.

 

[Delta3DStudios]

Tonight will be the third day with my new vape. Each day gets better. Hopefully 3rd time is a charm. Going for 175-180 degrees. Hopefully it's not too hot. Ironic how a pipe isn't as hot the smoke yet is combusting at a higher temperature than vaping.

Is the smoke from a pipe hotter than the vapor at 180? I think so, am I wrong? It just feels different thats why I question myself. Who knew this would change my style and outlook on blazing I feel like a kid in high school toking for the first time.

The particulates in the vapor are much larger than smoke. So while smoke is produced at a higher temperature, the particles are much smaller than vaporizing. This is where the irritation comes from.

You can combat the irritation several ways:
1) Take a sip of water/warm tea before taking a puff
2) connect vaporizer to waterpipe/bong

 

[Hashtag46&2]

I only have two jars of what I would consider a very near 100% sativa effect. A thai strain, and some sour diesel that I think is just not fully mature. The blue dream clone is supposed to be 90% sativa, but it doesn't seem like that to me at all, and I know for sure I have buds from the commercial strain. I would say it feels a lot more like a 50/50 hybrid.



And enjoy your vape. Fuck Combustion!

Hello HomeFree...

This is a great post man!
You nailed it in your thoughts about Blue Dream, she is "labeled " as a Sativa dominant Hybrid, however she provides an Indica like high.

A few good rips at lower temps will produce a very heady Sativa like high, but a few more rips at higher temps will certainly flow throughout the body, creating a balanced damn near perfect high.

BD always has been a favorite strain of mine, I make some pretty good Bubble Hash, and BD can almost produce a psychedelic like high, yet very calming at the same time..

The particulates in the vapor are much larger than smoke. So while smoke is produced at a higher temperature, the particles are much smaller than vaporizing. This is where the irritation comes from.

You can combat the irritation several ways:
1) Take a sip of water/warm tea before taking a puff
2) connect vaporizer to waterpipe/bong

Damn, I'm loving this forum, great peeps with great advice..

If you do try the VaporBong method, it will certainly "cool" the vapor, try using warm water as opposed to the traditional cold water/ice.

I have no idea why, but warm water seems to smooth the vapor more effectively than cold.

Again: I'm really enjoying this community.

All the best
-46&2

 

[ginolicious]

Hashtag,

Funny you mention that.

Last night I vaped at 160 and gave me that sativa high. Anxiety was there a little bit. But it was mellowish. Then watched tv. Around 10 I cranked her up to 170 to finish my 1 hour chamber and in 15-20 I was lazy in bed and then asleep before 11.