Joint addict hoping to make the switch! What should I get?

[CaptainBiffle]

Hey guys, basically I love joints but I don't love the hit on the lungs. I smoke at the end of the day, 0.5-1g in a pre-roll. I have the genetic thing that makes edibles barely work on me. Tinctures are okay but EXTREMELY expensive and take too long to hit. (I've also been told the oil based ones you can get in stores are not anywhere near as good at getting in your system as alcohol (or honey?) based ones, and you have to make them yourself, I dont know.)

For vaping, I've only ever tried 510 oil vapes and I despise them. I have no idea how people say it gets them higher. It's not even close to flower, just a mild headache and a quarter-high. I'm really praying I can get a dry herb vape that can come close to the experience of a joint. I'd like to spend $150-200 if possible. Is such a thing possible or am I cooked and just gonna have to keep combusting?

 

[bulllee]

Dynavap M , closes to a joint imho .

 

[borbjorbis]

In the $150 - $200 range, you have a number of good options for replicating the joint experience, especially if you look into the second hand market. I'm sure that many people on this forum would agree with your assessment of 510 oil vapes, and I think a lot of us would say that, on the whole, Dry Herb Vaping > Joints > Carts.

In order to give you the best recommendations, I think we'd need a little more info about what it is exactly you like about the joint experience. Are you after the ritual aspect of rolling a joint and smoking it? Do you like taking your time with a joint, puffing on it over an extended period of time and really relaxing into the session? Is part of the fun for you inhaling mouth-to-lung, as opposed to direct-to-lung like with a bong? Do you kill a joint in one-sitting, or do you use a doob tube and split a joint up between multiple seshes?

The Dynavap is a great suggestion, and it replicates the MTL inhalation, form factor, and ritual aspect of smoking a joint, but having a session with it involves more effort than just lighting a joint and puffing on it. You have to constantly repack and reheat, so it's more like a one-hitter. It's an easy recommendation to make, but I'd love to help you find the best fit possible.

Also: do you have a sense of whether you'd prefer a battery-powered vape or a butane-powered vape? It might be hard to judge this as a beginner with no experience with either, but what does your gut say. Butane powered vapes are often more ritualistic, and are often more versatile compared to battery-powered vapes. But with battery-powered vapes there's usually less of a learning curve, and they're similar to joints in their simplicity.

 

[CaptainBiffle]

In the $150 - $200 range, you have a number of good options for replicating the joint experience, especially if you look into the second hand market. I'm sure that many people on this forum would agree with your assessment of 510 oil vapes, and I think a lot of us would say that, on the whole, Dry Herb Vaping > Joints > Carts.

In order to give you the best recommendations, I think we'd need a little more info about what it is exactly you like about the joint experience. Are you after the ritual aspect of rolling a joint and smoking it? Do you like taking your time with a joint, puffing on it over an extended period of time and really relaxing into the session? Is part of the fun for you inhaling mouth-to-lung, as opposed to direct-to-lung like with a bong? Do you kill a joint in one-sitting, or do you use a doob tube and split a joint up between multiple seshes?

The Dynavap is a great suggestion, and it replicates the MTL inhalation, form factor, and ritual aspect of smoking a joint, but having a session with it involves more effort than just lighting a joint and puffing on it. You have to constantly repack and reheat, so it's more like a one-hitter. It's an easy recommendation to make, but I'd love to help you find the best fit possible.

Also: do you have a sense of whether you'd prefer a battery-powered vape or a butane-powered vape? It might be hard to judge this as a beginner with no experience with either, but what does your gut say. Butane powered vapes are often more ritualistic, and are often more versatile compared to battery-powered vapes. But with battery-powered vapes there's usually less of a learning curve, and they're similar to joints in their simplicity.

Thanks man, I dont roll, I get $3 pre-rolls in a legal state, my ritual looks like I end my day, I go to the gym, I come home, I spark up, do the dishes, laundry, start cooking, step outside, spark up again, I'll light and relight the same joint, always stepping outside, I don't like the lingering smell indoors. By the end of the night half the joint up to a full joint will be spent, if I don't finish it, I'll put it back in its little tube and save it for later. Mainly it's just the best high out of all the methods I've tried, it's full, I feel great and I'm able to do stuff. (although I tried a bong like once and really liked it, REALLY did not like how gross it looked and I don't even like the bubbling sound lol). 510 vapes don't even feel like weed, its so significantly different of a high. Much less full, more stoned, often causes mild headache. And I have seen mixed scientific opinion on if oil based vapes are even any healthier than smoking, although if that's wrong I'd be happy to be wrong, they really are discreet. I try to do edibles and I am eating entire $10-15 containers in one sitting and getting half high. I got my wisdom teeth out and tried RSO butter. Hardly anything. When I went back to smoking after I healed up, I noticed my tolerance actually lowered. The m7 looks really good, but having to repack a bunch doesn't seem great, I could spend $250 or $300 if it would save my lungs and really make a difference.

 

[Old Moderate]

Repacking a dynavap in your use case is easy, fast and fun. You like hitting the joint, going back inside, and then a bit later, relighting it and hitting it again. With a dynavap you would hit it a couple of times dump out the bowl, go inside and do something, and then pop back out pack it in 5 sec. and get a fresh couple of hits. What you don’t get with a dyna is like 5 min. watching the joint burn and taking hits causally over time. But that's not you. A dyna or similar is about ideal as it comes for what you described as your preferred use case.

 

[borbjorbis]

Thanks for the detailed reply @CaptainBiffle. I agree that it really does sound like the Dynavap might be a great choice for you in terms of the ritual! Repacking is not difficult at all, and will allow you to take a hit whenever you desire, like the way you're describing using a tube.

The high from a Dynavap will be much closer to the high from a joint compared to the high from a 510 cart. But the kicker here is that literally every vape produces a slightly different high, and if you're someone who really pays attention to that, it can be hard to find a Goldilocks vape.

I'm someone whose obsesses over how the high from a vape feels (people call it the "vape signature"), and it's one of the main reasons why I've tried out so many vapes. Like you, I also really like the feeling from a joint.

This is all pretty subjective, but in the Dynavap line up, I think the Hyperdyn high feels the best to me and feels closest to a joint. Other Dynavaps feel a little duller to me, but I also used other Dynavaps for many years with no real complaints. It's only when I started collecting more vapes last year that I really started to notice the differences between the highs and develop preferences.

Other option that imo feels similar to a joint are the Vapman, the Storz and Bickel vapes, and the Firewood vapes. In general, my experience is that a conduction heavy vape with a little bit of convection feels the most similar to a joint. Convection vapes can give me a headache and anxiety.

This is a whole lot to take in, maybe overwhelmingly so, so I'd say maybe just give a cheap Dynavap a shot and see how you like it! Worst case scenario you can definitely sell it, there's a real active used market for vapes.

 

[howie105]

I use The Rouge Wax Works 14 mm quartz and glass cap when looking for close to combustion hits but with better extraction at a lower PID controlled temperature. Price wise, it is within your target range.

 

[CaptainBiffle]

Thanks for the detailed reply @CaptainBiffle. I agree that it really does sound like the Dynavap might be a great choice for you in terms of the ritual! Repacking is not difficult at all, and will allow you to take a hit whenever you desire, like the way you're describing using a tube.

The high from a Dynavap will be much closer to the high from a joint compared to the high from a 510 cart. But the kicker here is that literally every vape produces a slightly different high, and if you're someone who really pays attention to that, it can be hard to find a Goldilocks vape.

I'm someone whose obsesses over how the high from a vape feels (people call it the "vape signature"), and it's one of the main reasons why I've tried out so many vapes. Like you, I also really like the feeling from a joint.

This is all pretty subjective, but in the Dynavap line up, I think the Hyperdyn high feels the best to me and feels closest to a joint. Other Dynavaps feel a little duller to me, but I also used other Dynavaps for many years with no real complaints. It's only when I started collecting more vapes last year that I really started to notice the differences between the highs and develop preferences.

Other option that imo feels similar to a joint are the Vapman, the Storz and Bickel vapes, and the Firewood vapes. In general, my experience is that a conduction heavy vape with a little bit of convection feels the most similar to a joint. Convection vapes can give me a headache and anxiety.

This is a whole lot to take in, maybe overwhelmingly so, so I'd say maybe just give a cheap Dynavap a shot and see how you like it! Worst case scenario you can definitely sell it, there's a real active used market for vapes.

It's really interesting that all the different strains that people say have different effects completely do not (in my experience) but delivery methods do make a difference. Should I go for the $100 M7 XL or go all in on a Htperdyn? That learning curve makes me think XL, but I was also thinking of doing a battery for convenience, I can still step outside for it. The .1g bowl size of the XL seems reeeeally small to me. Im watching a video review and it looks like theres a lot of parts to clean as well as a learning curve, hes also saying some people eat the browned weed straight out of the bowl? That's a thing?

 

[borbjorbis]

It's really interesting that all the different strains that people say have different effects completely do not (in my experience) but delivery methods do make a difference.

I'm the same way, I find that delivery method makes more of a difference than strain. Even with concentrates, three different devices will make the same rosin feel very different.

The .1g bowl size of the XL seems reeeeally small to me. Im watching a video review and it looks like theres a lot of parts to clean as well as a learning curve, hes also saying some people eat the browned weed straight out of the bowl? That's a thing?

Vaping is generally much more efficient than smoking – you might find that a 0.1 g bowl is more than enough to satisfy your appetite. Worst case you do several bowls back to back. My impression is that the people who need the 0.25 g bowl on the Hyperdyn are people that are smoking all day everyday. Personally, I use the Hyperdyn with closer to 0.05g, but I have a low tolerance and fairly niche preferences. And yes! After you're done vaping the weed, you can use the AVB (already vaped bud) for edibles. It's pretty much just decarboxylated weed, like what you use in homemade edibles. AVB is part of why vaping is so cost-efficient, but I don't personally eat it, don't love the effects.

Should I go for the $100 M7 XL or go all in on a Htperdyn? That learning curve makes me think XL, but I was also thinking of doing a battery for convenience, I can still step outside for it.

It's a good question. Personally I wouldn't go all-out on the Hyperdyn, just because it's a gamble. It's my favorite Dynavap at the moment, and I find it feels pretty similar to a joint, but you might not feel that way at all. Also, because the Hyperdyn is significantly bigger than the other Dynavaps, it's not as compatible with existing accessories. One of the benefits of the Dynaverse is just how many 3rd party accessories there are out there. Lots of creative people really love their Dynavaps and make accessories and tools to improve upon the experience.

Another option is that you could go for the M7XL at $100, and use the other $100 on an induction heater, either the iSpire Wand or the YLLVape 2.0. An induction heater basically turns your Dynavap into a battery powered vape. They make the Dynavap dead simple to use – you just stick the tip into the induction heater until it clicks. No torch technique necesary. A lot of people give up on their Dynavap because they can't get the technique down – with an IH you'll know for sure if you like the system or not.

The iSpire Wand is super versatile, and it can fit both the regular Dynavaps and the Hyperdyn, as well as other vapes that are similar to Dynavaps. You can't use it hands-free without an adapter, however. The YLLVape is cheaper, can be used hands-free, and has a built-in magnet that you can use as a cooling stand (which allows you to do bowls back to back faster). Makes for a pretty sick all-in-one system. However, it only fits standard-sized Dynavap tips.

 

[Photonic]

For vaping, I've only ever tried 510 oil vapes and I despise them. I have no idea how people say it gets them higher. It's not even close to flower, just a mild headache and a quarter-high.

While I wholeheartedly agree that 510 carts are not nearly as good as dry herb vaping when it comes to effects, if do you want to keep carts in the rotation you might try "live rosin" from a reputable brand. "Live resin" can be okay too, but for me, and many others, it's the rosin that's closest in effects. I stay completely away from distillate.

Downside is that rosin carts can be finicky, are harder to find and relatively expensive, but I won't buy other types of carts personally. Also, if using your own 510 threaded battery, ideally you'll want one that supports lower voltage settings (e.g., 1.8v to 2.4v) for the best rosin experience. A good cheap example is the Yocan Kodo Pro.

Good luck!

 

[justcametomind]

It's really intererld I go for the $100 M7 XL or go all in on a Htperdyn? That learning curve makes me think XL, but I was also thinking of doing a battery for convenience, I cae n still step outside for it. The .1g bowl size of the XL seems reeeeally small to me. Im watching a video review and it looks like theres a lot of parts to clean as well as a learning curve, hes also saying some people eat the browned weed straight out of the bowl? That's a thing?

It makes sense you don't perceive the different effects of strains, when you smoke you are wasting 90% of cannabinoids and all the terpenes.

You may also consider a battery powered small portable like a Healthy Rips Rogue / Wolkenkraft Fenix or whatever they call it (multibrand), it should be perfect for your use case. Wolkencraft Fenix aka Healthy Rips Fury can be acquired very very cheap (70€) and imho is quite decent as an entry level battery portable, for someone who doesn't like learning (forgetting) "clicks" like myself, they are a good choice at the same price of a vapcap. And it's more easy to use in public.
This is a link to the fury edge which is in your budget https://www.healthyrips.com/store/p113/FURY_EDGE_SE.html
If you don't mind spending more, imho nothing beats a Venty which is 375$ +/-. Arizer solo 3 is said to be very good also and it can be found for 250$ +/-.
I like a lot better battery portables than vapcaps because smoking is not a possibility as they are designed to work only under burning temperature.
When partaking I tend to forget things, let alone "clicks" and I don't want to be bothered by that, or having to clean ash and stink from a vaporizer.

 

[dude_de]

Another option is that you could go for the M7XL at $100, and use the other $100 on an induction heater, either the iSpire Wand or the YLLVape 2.0.

I second that. Heating a Dynavap with a butane torch does have a learning curve that can be frustrating. An induction heater, once set up just right, will produce the same result every time. The "setting up" the IH consists mainly of adjusting the insertion depth of the Dynavap into the coil. Also, I like to set it to relatively low power, 30-40W for the Yllvape. Slower heating allows more time for the heat to be distributed around the tip.

I have both of the mentioned induction heaters and I use only the YLLVape 2.0 with my Dynavaps. It's just so convenient, a perfect match. The downside is that the YLL won't work with larger vapes like the HyperDyn, Tempest, Anvil.

You can close the airport and puff like a joint, or you can leave the airport completely open and rip it like a bong.

For your use case ("only a few tokes off a joint at a time") the 0.1g Dynavap M Bowl seems to be the perfect size. I generally do three heat cycles with my M+. The first one is the warm up phase, not much vapor. For the second and third heat cycle, i get 2-3 good hits per cycle.

 

[Cheebsy]

I think, if reloading is offputting to you, you might like an elev8r. It's well within your budget, although you'll need a radially large torch to go with it. The bowl is massive, can take up to about 1g if you really want to buy it's better with a bit less. It's also exceptionally tasty and capable of producing a lovely high.

ELEV8R Glass Portable Torch Full Kit - Dry herb vaporizer and concentrates in one!

Portable glass vaporizer that you use a torch to heat up. Used for dry herbs and concentrates.

www.elev8glassgallery.com