Iso extraction canna caps

[amberevil]

So I have been making canna caps since I made my first bad batch of bho. Right now I used dried leaves, trim, and very few popcorn nug. I have learbed a lot on my own but think I could use some advice on making them better or the process easier.

So I freeze my starting material in a big glass jar, and alcohol(99 percent iso). Then I fill up the glass with the iso until all material is covered, back in the freezer for an hour while shaking every 15 mins. I leave it for an hour. I hope that gets all the actives but would like to hear some other peoples opinion of it.

Than I fillter with a kitchen strainer and then coffee filters (unbleached). But the coffee filters keep getting clogged up, I wonder if a certain micron ss screen would help solve that problem, ive never used them.

Evaporate than its time to mix with coco oil and soy lecithin. Cook for about 250 for a half hour or adjust according to my sub par heat source, hot plat with oil bath between two pyrex. Keep stirring alot to mix it up. Then when they cool I put into empty caps.

Let me know what you think I will be updating later with pictures.

@herbivore I dont know if edibles are your thing but this involves a type of iso extraction and I know that is your thing.

Update pictures:

Should have taken more pictures, i didnt get any of the stainer im using. But from there i evaperated on a hotplate around 120 with a filter over it an a fan. I weigh up the concentrate and make my doses accordingly. This is for a cancer patient who didn't use cannabis before, so i started low and have slowly increaced the dose. The current ratio is 2ml cocounut oil x 1 gram concentrate x 2ml soy lectin. Full 0 gage size caps.

 

[killick]

For filtering I have a kitchen sieve on top, followed by a metal coffee filter. Usually this is enough of a strain for my stuff to come out clean... For smaller batches I've started using an Aeropress, with either the paper filter or a 60 micron metal screen...

 

[amberevil]

Ill look into it, this wasnt working so well.

 

[OldOyler]

...The current ratio is 2ml cocounut oil x 1 gram concentrate x 2ml soy lectin. Full 0 gage size caps.

@amberevil ,

You absolutely have my attention! Awesome!

I use about the same ratio (1g finished RSO to 3-4g coconut oil) with some different other additions (skunk pharm's "Holy Anointing Oil" recipe, with my own ratios).

The soy lecithin - does it mix well? And what did you add it for - increase of the medicine's effectiveness, etc?

I noticed that adding coconut oil *massively* increased the bio-availability, but almost TOO much at a certain point (wasted for 4 hours but starts to drop my pain control at about 6 hours). Does the soy "balance that out" in some way, do you happen to know? I wanted my oil thin enough to use the built-in eye dropper in my amber glass (moving to miron when I have some $) 1/2oz (15ML) essential oil bottle and apply a drop under each side of my tongue.

Don't use ISO as a solvent myself, but an extremely similar process with Everclear 191. The only difference is that I "finish" the oil differently.

I use a 250F high-heat saffron oil bath in a fondue pot, and transfer my "almost finished" mash (that I air-dried the ethanol *almost* out of - so it still looks like motor oil consistency) into a stainless steel container (U Konserve without the lid) for about 5 minutes - I follow skunk pharm's timing - to look for the beginning and the drop off of CO2 bubble production (the result of the decarb process).

I mention it because I "finish" it until the massive CO2 bubble streams (and solvent bubbles, too) drop off suddenly - that is the point that THC-to-CBN conversion will begin to outpace THCA-to-THC conversion. So I can make two different "character" oils - I take out 1/2 right then to be sort of a "daytime" oil, and wait until almost all bubbles have stopped with the rest - that gives me a "nighttime" oil.

I have the cinnamon drops (bark and leaf) and myrhh already in the essential oil bottle I will be using, then add xx grams of coconut oil glopped right into a small metal funnel at the top of the essential oil bottle so that when I am ready to pour - voila! The oil is plenty hot to almost immediately liquefy the coconut oil, plus less mess. I leave the lid on the glass bottle loose for a few minutes to allow the heat to go down - usually only a few minutes.

An anecdotal note - I have been running low on oil, and so as to not be aggravated I went ahead and mixed my bottles of "daytime" and "nighttime". Wowza. I use RSO every 8 hours sublingually, and today when I did that (mixed the two) was the first time I realized that my time had passed for my second daily dose by almost 3 hours! I have had to cut back to one drop per dose for now. (I vape the same oil, without the extras, mixed 1:1 with EJMix and 1 drop cinnamon leaf oil per 1ml pre-mixed "vape oil".)

I will be following this thread here - awesome!

Peace and good things to you!

 

[amberevil]

Soy lecithin is an emulsifier. It just helps with the absorption. I notice effects coming on sooner, stroner, and I usually feel a little warm. However I am not the main user of these. I make them just for one cancer patient. The soy lecithin comes in powdered or granulated. I use powder because I was told it mixes better. It does mix well, half way through my decard it is all melted and the oil looks uniform.

I dont know about balancing out that effect but I would just maybe look at taking a little less if the coconut oil makes it that much better.

I like your ideas on co2 bubbles but I dont seem to see to many co2 bubbles to judge (maybe im just a newb)

 

[OldOyler]

I will definitely have to look up the soy - it may be that I need to replace some of my coconut oil with it.

And my apologies - I do forget that I use oil sublingually so that *most* of what I am getting isn't through digestion. But it is also one of the reasons I am looking at your canna-cap process - I got much longer lasting effects when I was letting more of the dose go down my gullet. (In the pure "grease"-like state, it was hard to keep it "tacked" under the tongue) But pure medibles have always made me feel "off" and cause some stomach upset, so I have been looking for something like this!

Also, what method do you use for decarb and at what heat?

Thanks and peace!

P.S. - I envy your glassware - 'specially that big girl!!

 

[killick]

@amberevil try a flat-bottomed gold metal coffee filter, after your sieve, and before the paper filter. 95% of your sludge should stay in the metal. I found coffee filters way too slow, so stopped using them as the metal seems to catch it all.

Someone on another forum recommends a layer or two of pantyhose, saying the knee-high ones from the dollar store are dandy. I've never tried, so ymmv...

PS - re Lecithin; I was reading on yet another forum that sunflower lecithin is non-GMO, whereas soy is GMO. They are about the same price, so if you have any preference for that sorta thing both types are usually available in the same shops.

 

[amberevil]

Thank you @killick (green bastard) lol. Im gona get a metal coffee filter before my next run. And I read about the gmo In sou lecithin, but I didn't know of an alternative.

Great info lets keep it up.

So there earlier pictures are what I will be putting In caps tonight. But here is a picture of the pills I made last time.

i just adjust the ratio and amount i fill the caps to make different doses

 

[OldOyler]

@amberevil try a flat-bottomed gold metal coffee filter, after your sieve, and before the paper filter. 95% of your sludge should stay in the metal. I found coffee filters way too slow, so stopped using them as the metal seems to catch it all.

Someone on another forum recommends a layer or two of pantyhose, saying the knee-high ones from the dollar store are dandy. I've never tried, so ymmv...

PS - re Lecithin; I was reading on yet another forum that sunflower lecithin is non-GMO, whereas soy is GMO. They are about the same price, so if you have any preference for that sorta thing both types are usually available in the same shops.

I concur on the coffee filter. I use grade 90 cheesecloth, both to make a "tea bag" for the starting material and to strain my mash into its finishing container for an oil bath.

Peace!

 

[amberevil]

@OldOyler Which one did you mean as the big girl. Dish or jar.

The dish is the bottom part of my Pyrex vacuum chamber from best value vacs and its a great price.

The jar is an old olive jar. The kind for a restaurant, cleaned out very well.

 

[Monsoon]

I use use these strainers to catch debris and it gets all the large chunks. I use the large one underneath the strainer where I dump the iso /weed mixture and then through the small one which catches a lot of bits.

What I find also helps is putting it back in the freezer for a bit before using the coffee filters on it. Any leftover sludge should settle on the bottom making it easier to avoid pouring it into the filters.

If you want to go next level, look into buchner funnels and flask setups. It adds a vacuum assist via a handpump which should speed up the process. You'll still want to make sure your liquid is pre-filtered as much as possible to prevent clogging.

 

[OldOyler]

@OldOyler Which one did you mean as the big girl. Dish or jar.

Sorry, pancreas gremlins are kicking my behind this weekend. I'll be a bit slow for a few days.

I was referring to that big rectangular Pyrex - I don't have any kind of vacuum assist, but I love Pyrex in general. It's awesome (your dish)!

If you ever feel so inclined, I am interested in adding that kind of component (vacuum chamber and/or vacuum assist) but haven't because I was worried about $, but I would love to see how you set it up. (PM is fine as well, just under the weather so I may be choppy in my response times.) I am actually going to be working with someone on FC (as in, my "work" is to listen and ask the right questions) who invited me to a PM about it as well.

Love all your stuff by the way, @amberevil . I am deeply scientific in nature, curiosity, and approach but inexorably and intensely into the medical study as well. For me, science means the most when there are suffering people to benefit at the other end.

:-)

Peace!

 

[killick]

OldOyler - I'm with you on using vacuum... I want to try, but don't want to spend a bomb on a test, so will probably cobble something together using a manual brake bleeding unit. I know it's a bit 'garage-y', but as long as I get the right vacuum, and use glass that won't implode, it should all be just dandy

 

[amberevil]

http://www.bestvaluevacs.com/2-75qvackit.html
Here she is. For only 215, pump and all. I highly recommend this company, I believe @DieHard got me on them. I would recommend getting a round Pyrex with the silicon lid seal, I think it would last longer. But you can buy more of either from them, great guy I have called him about problems and he has had all the answers.

Round one like this one onlu 210 http://www.bestvaluevacs.com/3qpyrexkit.html

 

[killick]

Any idea what their new 'dewaxing units' will be like? I've not heard the term before...

 

[amberevil]

Any idea what their new 'dewaxing units' will be like? I've not heard the term before...

Ive never heard that term before either just dewaxing

 

[OldOyler]

Okay @amberevil , not to blow smoke, but I checked out bestvaluevacs.com and I am so happy I think I'm going to pee myself.

WAYYYYY beyond just this current project (and I SWEAR I am working on this little sidetrack in order to swing back around into your original thread purpose - I need more RSO in my digestion than I am allowing via sublingual).

That place has stuff for all SORTS of various "Franken-" tests I have in queue. Holy freaking moley. Will post back (maybe tomorrow, maybe a bit longer) after I finish looking at specific pieces on their site. I want to get stuff for a vacuum chamber in the "classic sense" if I want it, but I also need to match the components' specs to ones that I am shooting for on other projects they will be re-purposed for (like for one, I need everything including gaskets to handle as close to 400F as possible on one project in particular, so I will have to spec out components for that which will be unnecessary for just a vacuum-assist filtration system, but I would like to have anyway).

I am a HUGE stainless fan, and for anyone else who is too, their stainless steel section was awesome. (But sticking with Pyrex for the "main unit" for now if possible, since I use the "visual drop-off of CO2 bubbles" method of choosing how long I decarb, and OldOyler forgets that he needs to be MAKIN' da earl for himself TOO, not just running experiments - ha!).

@killick I am going to grab some of this stuff within the next few weeks (I have to ask the boss, er...I mean, my beloved wife, when it's cool to grab it. It's always the same answer - "Fine - TWO WEEKS".) Anyway, I was thinking that if there is anything I get that overlaps and you want to wait until I test it first ($) I'll post what I order, and I will be posting everything here right away with the outcome, and if *you* do the same on anything, please let me know? :-)

Peace everyone!

 

[DieHard]

I'm thinking a chilled vac filter type thing. Think double walled Buchner funnel. Dry ice slurry in the outer part to keep what's being filtered cold? iDK
@amberevil I saw the label on @ataxian 's vac chamber in one of his pics. Website was right there for me.

 

[killick]

@OldOyler Sounds like a great plan! I'm going to lag a bit tho, as we are currently House hunting and I have a moratorium on buying things till we are permanently homed. 'The Boss' has no idea how many vaporizers have wound up in my little med corner of the rental

 

[OldOyler]

No sweat at all, killick! I am probably going to start with something like this original line you referenced, which seems to be more correct for our needs here:

- Peace!

(I edited the crap out of this - realized I was way off - sorry!)

And @DieHard , you mentioned a cold process of some sort, is it something like this one?

http://www.bestvaluevacs.com/coldtrap.html

Pic:

Interior pic:

 

[DieHard]

No sweat at all, killick! I am probably going to start with something like this original line you referenced, which seems to be more correct for our needs here:

- Peace!

(I edited the crap out of this - realized I was way off - sorry!)

This is good but I chose the round pyrex chamber with the reversible/replaceable silicone gasket. The one in that pic is stuck to the top with adhesive.

 

[OldOyler]

This is good but I chose the round pyrex chamber with the reversible/replaceable silicone gasket. The one in that pic is stuck to the top with adhesive.

Got it, I appreciate that!

So, more like: http://www.bestvaluevacs.com/3qpyrexkit.html ? Or am I still missing something on the top of the chamber? (My eyes are too inexperienced to see if that is the case)

Pic

Won't make you nuts with too many more questions until I get myself up to speed a bit more as I am beginning to see.

Thanks, and peace!

 

[DieHard]

Got it, I appreciate that!

So, more like: http://www.bestvaluevacs.com/3qpyrexkit.html ? Or am I still missing something on the top of the chamber? (My eyes are too inexperienced to see if that is the case)

Pic

Won't make you nuts with too many more questions until I get myself up to speed a bit more as I am beginning to see.

Thanks, and peace!

That's my baby! The orange gasket on top comes off easily for cleaning and replacement. AND it can be flipped over for a fresh surface.
That cold trap looks very interesting. Not exactly what I was describing, but all of the stuff on their site gets my gears turning. I want it all. To play with like Legos.

 

[ataxian]

I'm thinking a chilled vac filter type thing. Think double walled Buchner funnel. Dry ice slurry in the outer part to keep what's being filtered cold? iDK
@amberevil I saw the label on @ataxian 's vac chamber in one of his pics. Website was right there for me.

I purge I have a 6hp.

 

[Puffers]

You don't need a big pump ie several horsepower or cfm, we actually imploded a non-Pyrex yet thick dish last week using a one of our commercial grade 5cfm vac pumps. It was only under vac for a few seconds on the pump too before being sealed.

You can diy a vac pump out of a small compressor scrapped from a refrigerator or other small compressor appliance we are actually going to build one eventually to dedicate to a purging setup even though we have commercial pumps on stand by to use.

http://www.instructables.com/id/convert-a-tire-inflator-type-air-compressor-into-a/

http://www.instructables.com/id/Making-A-Fridge-Compressor-Into-A-Vacuum-Pump/

We DIY our own lids/vac chambers too. Converting your purge Pyrex to a vac chamber just takes a roll of gasket material and a plexy, stainless, etc lid with a couple fittings.