StiltedLimboDancer
Well-Known Member
And someone who's never been smoking. So unfortunately I'm out.
Otherwise I would have gladly sacrificed my life for an internet forum...
sativasam
NO SMOKING
amen to that
I have to disagree with that one zor, just because you cant see the damage or signs of it doesnt mean it isnt there
It seems vaping isnt as clear cut as I first presumed. With hindsight I realize I was rather complacent to have thought so
I think everyone is sure and correct to think that its much better than smoking. But I think it would be unwise for people, like me for example, to think it was hazard free
howie105
Well-Known Member
You have to focus on reality and sadly there is very little clinical information available on the subject that I trust. In that informational void people often backfill with what they do know, information on smoking. Apples and oranges comparisons are of limited value in our case and bad comparisons often confuse the situation. So like most things the individual has to educate themselves as best they can and make their own decisions. The results of that I think is reflected in the growth of the vape market.
Just remember something is going to kill us all, so don't sweat it too much and enjoy what vices you do allow.
But I enjoy smoking howie! lol
edit: In fact I didnt actually enjoy smoking - I hated it, I was always saying how much I wanted to quit
My personal plan is to continue vaping for a while and then stop vaping as well. And then in the future I will just go back to vaping some herbs as and when I want to, maybe a couple times a month as a treat or something
Thats my plan anyway
edit: In fact I didnt actually enjoy smoking - I hated it, I was always saying how much I wanted to quit
My personal plan is to continue vaping for a while and then stop vaping as well. And then in the future I will just go back to vaping some herbs as and when I want to, maybe a couple times a month as a treat or something
Thats my plan anyway
howie105
Well-Known Member
I hear that. I gave up on cigs because they just weren't cutting it for me but I still fire up the MJ with friends. That buzz and setting still works for me too.
zor
Well-Known Member
But that's not what I am arguing, please reread my posts. I've been saying that just because it is percieved as healthier than smoking doesn't give it a free pass. I used the above example to illustrate things aren't black and white, but more complicated.
CarolKing
Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
This info is from 2012 from the JointBlog.
Vaporizing is a common technique for consuming marijuana, while at the same time negating many irritating respiratory toxins that exists within the grown marijuana flower and are released when smoked. Conversely, vaporizing allows one to get at all of the psychoactive ingredients available within that specific strain of marijuana , minus the combustion that ordinarily takes place during consumption.
The basic design of the average marijuana vaporizer is to allow marijuana smokers to inhale the many active Cannabinoids, while at the same time avoiding any of the harmful elements that may exist on that specific flower… although invisible to the naked eye.
While most don’t know it … There is a vast difference in the quality of smoke that one receives when they vaporize versus igniting their plant matter. When one smokes a joint, or hits their bong approximately 88% of the combusted smoke gases contain non-cannabinoid elements, most of which do not get you high and provide potential health risks.
Conversely when one uses a marijuana vaporizer the smoke/gases that they are inhaling consists of approximately 95% cannabinoids, otherwise known as the psychoactive ingredients that both calm the mind and soothe the body.
Vaporizing is a common technique for consuming marijuana, while at the same time negating many irritating respiratory toxins that exists within the grown marijuana flower and are released when smoked. Conversely, vaporizing allows one to get at all of the psychoactive ingredients available within that specific strain of marijuana , minus the combustion that ordinarily takes place during consumption.
The basic design of the average marijuana vaporizer is to allow marijuana smokers to inhale the many active Cannabinoids, while at the same time avoiding any of the harmful elements that may exist on that specific flower… although invisible to the naked eye.
While most don’t know it … There is a vast difference in the quality of smoke that one receives when they vaporize versus igniting their plant matter. When one smokes a joint, or hits their bong approximately 88% of the combusted smoke gases contain non-cannabinoid elements, most of which do not get you high and provide potential health risks.
Conversely when one uses a marijuana vaporizer the smoke/gases that they are inhaling consists of approximately 95% cannabinoids, otherwise known as the psychoactive ingredients that both calm the mind and soothe the body.
WoodyWeedPecker
Well-Known Member
There's was also this study analyzing the content of the vapor. Although only high density vapor were analyzed as said in the conclusion.
Cal NORML/MAPS Study Shows Vaporizer Can Drastically Reduce Toxins in Marijuana Smoke
http://www.canorml.org/healthfacts/...-Drastically-Reduce-Toxins-in-Marijuana-Smoke
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darbarikanada
Well-Known Member
one point I haven't seen raised here is the obvious difference between the 'soundtrack' of a group of people vaping vs. one doing bong rips or smoking spliffs; the latter will (often? always?) be coughing a lot - probably a good indicator of 'respiratory distress'. you don't need to be a researcher to observe this (and the massive coughing fit is a standard gag in almost every movie about cannabis, starting with Cheech and Chong. even Bill Cosby did a weed-induced coughing fit routine.).
medical issues + bodies are complex, but there's a widely shared, if anecdotal, consensus that vaping is less harmful than smoking, in the sense of obvious things like coughing fits, coughing up gunk, respiratory ailments etc. long-term studies, like the ones that finally nailed tobacco, aren't going to happen any time soon - there hasn't been enough time for potential issues to appear, like cancer did with smoking, but in the interim I'm really glad for the vaporizers out there - and wish they'd been around a few decades ago!
perhaps some day, a researcher will mine this forum for all the 10+ year vapers, do a study...
another thing that's been mentioned, but bears repeating: the lungs are designed to eject crud (think about what happens after you've been working in a dusty environment). even cigarette smokers, if they stop, can reverse a lot of the damage. the point is that vaping is 'less harmful' than combustion, not 'harmless'. most of the people on FC who've vaped and smoked would probably say they think vaping is much less harmful.
and if you're really worried about vaping? use medibles. there are plenty of people who do, but you won't find them on this forum.
medical issues + bodies are complex, but there's a widely shared, if anecdotal, consensus that vaping is less harmful than smoking, in the sense of obvious things like coughing fits, coughing up gunk, respiratory ailments etc. long-term studies, like the ones that finally nailed tobacco, aren't going to happen any time soon - there hasn't been enough time for potential issues to appear, like cancer did with smoking, but in the interim I'm really glad for the vaporizers out there - and wish they'd been around a few decades ago!
perhaps some day, a researcher will mine this forum for all the 10+ year vapers, do a study...
another thing that's been mentioned, but bears repeating: the lungs are designed to eject crud (think about what happens after you've been working in a dusty environment). even cigarette smokers, if they stop, can reverse a lot of the damage. the point is that vaping is 'less harmful' than combustion, not 'harmless'. most of the people on FC who've vaped and smoked would probably say they think vaping is much less harmful.
and if you're really worried about vaping? use medibles. there are plenty of people who do, but you won't find them on this forum.
MinnBobber
Well-Known Member
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And the health differences between vaping and edibles are not black and white. Vaping by-passes the liver and goes directly to bloodstream and brain.
Edibles go thru the liver where they are changed to the more potent form of THC (11-hydroxy-THC). No one knows if this stresses the liver, is bad for the liver in long term use, if this form of THC is better/worse??
I'd have to guess that medibles are less of a health hazard than vaping but it's not certain.
AND----for both vaping and medibles , the health benefits far far far far far far outweigh the possible health risks.
EverythingsHazy
Well-Known Member
This. Moderation is key in every aspect of life. If you do anything in excess, it will likely come back to bite you in the ass. If nothing else, you'll probably be hit with the law of diminishing returns, and be wasting your time/resources. They key is finding that balance.
kellya86
Herb gardener...
Vaping may not only be harmless, it may even be benificial....prevention of cancer etc...
Or it may be like asbestos and we all die after 20 years of vaping...
We just don't know for sure yet, but the evidence suggests its better than smoking...
WoodyWeedPecker
Well-Known Member
At a certain point nothing is harmless. The air we breathe, the water we drink, the food we eat (pesticides in vegetables, hormones in animals, chemicals in water, etc).
biohacker
H.R.E.A.M
THIS!!!! X 100000!!!
PICK. YOUR. POISON.
Everything is bad and causes cancer! Enjoy your life! It will be over before you know it.
ander
Well-Known Member
I was a moderate smoker (10 handcrafted cigs or 5 joints in a day). Now I'm a moderate vaper (0,3-0,5 gr of MJ in a day, and not a strong one). My life is changing, in better, in every fucking aspect: I sleep better, I wake up better, my heart is beating better, I've forgot my stomach acidity, I'm more balanced and social and I can better control my emotions... I FEEL ABSOLUTELY BETTER. This isn't scientifically proven? Who cares... it's real.
Edit-> the difference between smoking and vaping is not the only point. I'm saying that MJ has beneficial super-powers, and if burned, I loose the 80% of them and it even causes harm to myself... no sense.
Edit-> the difference between smoking and vaping is not the only point. I'm saying that MJ has beneficial super-powers, and if burned, I loose the 80% of them and it even causes harm to myself... no sense.
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stickstones
Vapor concierge
I used to say this all the time, and it appeared to makes sense. When most of what we consume as 'food' in our western culture causes cancer and ill-health, it is hard to distinguish what does and doesn't cause cancer! Our problem is at a very base level...but I digress for this thread.
I no longer worry about my lungs when vaporizing. If anything, I think more about the damage all the hot air is doing to my throat and bronchial passages (did I use the right word there?). While my breathing is fine, sometimes I go through periods of sore throat that makes me cut back for a bit.
crawdad
floatin
beyond the vape vs smoke issue, i also look at the device im using to vaporize with. are all the materials safe inherently? what about at high temps? prolonged use? my vehicle of choice is vg glass and i did some research on the ceramic diffuser material since it can shrink over time and found it to be safe based on the temps used.
biohacker
H.R.E.A.M
Yeah a planet filled with the walking dead and ill health. Sounds like Earth!
kellya86
Herb gardener...
@Ander I'm with you on all those things...it's amazing to me, how much better life gets when one fucks combustion...
The sleeping and waking easier, and the mood swings I always blamed on the herb...
It was a herb, but not cannabis....evil tobacco...
So in that respect it is definitely benificial to me, not to mention it's psychological stabilisation that it brings me...
The sleeping and waking easier, and the mood swings I always blamed on the herb...
It was a herb, but not cannabis....evil tobacco...
So in that respect it is definitely benificial to me, not to mention it's psychological stabilisation that it brings me...
ander
Well-Known Member
Governments know what they do... but I feel like vaping could have the power of a revolution... and it is becoming like a sort of religion for me (combined with cultivation)! When I will be sure to not fall under their "joints attacks"... I will try to convert all my vicious friends. One is already on the way.