Is the vaping high, the sativa high ( no cbd ) ?
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lwien
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Charlot's Web or Harlequin by any chance?
For those trying to address certain medical issues but don't want to get that high, these strains are excellent choices.
Ok.........I'll explain.
Back in the late 60's, early 70's, a close circle of friends and I got our acid directly from Owsley Labs. Super pure. It was a pink liquid that came in a little glass vial that we would dip a pin in and lick off. Not very accurate dosing to say the least, but it was unadulterated. I would NEVER drop any of the acid that is available today. Later, when Owsley was no longer available, we would get window pane from a chemist that we knew. There was a period between 1968 to 1977 where I dropped acid almost every other weekend. Must have dropped acid over 200 times.
Also, took synthetic mescaline as well as psyilocybin through shrooms. Must have done those over 50 times. Ate Peyote buttons over 10 different times (only reason I didn't do more is they made me really nauseous). Of course, I only did this on non-working weekends. During the week, did a lot coke (a few grams a week), some speed (pill form), qualudes, seconals, etc etc. I was a real drug garbage disposal. Oh...........smoked a joint on my way from work every day. Did all this for most of a decade.
So here's the deal regarding hallucinations. I never once saw something that wasn't there, nor did anyone else around me. What we did see were things that WERE there, like stationary things such as trees but they would begin to move and morph into some pretty bizarre things like strange faces and such. Kinda like seeing animals in the clouds. I could get lost in tile floors as they began to move much like you would see in a kaleidoscope. Or sidewalks moving in waves like the ocean. Or seeing faces in a textured wall or that same wall moving as if it were breathing.
Hope that kinda explains the hallucinations as I experienced them.
With a strain such as White Widow, I can get the same kind of things going on, but to a MUCH lesser degree, but they happen nonetheless. And even with other strains, the moving images that I can see in GREAT clarity on the back of my eyelids are super clear and vivid. So clear because I'm not really using my eyes to see these things, but rather just my brain creating them. And these are not just swirls of kalidascopic light that I can see if I'm straight, but rather very clear images of very intricate faces, and buildings and plants and flowers as I am very slowly flying over them..............kinda like scuba diving over a really interesting reef. The extreme detail is just amazing. There is no way in hell that I can see these things when I'm not vaped. Now granted, this does not happen all the time, but it does happen and I have to be REALLY vaped to see those eyelid shows.
Anyway, that's my experience of it all.
Could these, in fact, be acid flashbacks brought on by weed. Yup...........sure could. All I can do is relay my experiences.
So when someone tells me that I can't hallucinate on weed, I say..............bullshit.
@lwien, I will back you up on the statement about "seeing things that were there" on acid. My experience with acid actually contained no hallucinations as we might commonly term them. That is, there was nothing added to my vision that just came out of nowhere. I did read sentences backwards as easily as forwards. I did see each tiny raindrop on a treestump individually. I did notice time slowing down and events breaking apart into discrete 'frames'. I did find space stretching out eternally within the coil rug in my living room. I did hear a flower cry when I broke it's electromagnetic field by picking it. But there were no extra images created; all my extrasensory perception, so to speak, simply related to real objects (and their expanded sense). Marijuana has the same effect on me at high dosages. So your beautifully descriptive writing here really resounds with me.
As for transcendent experiences in general, I can tell you that out of the body (OOB) and zen practices REALLY WORK. I spent years in Zen temples and monasteries, following various masters and doing intensive mental concentration, also used techniques diligently to induce OOBs. Without a doubt you can achieve these expanded states of mind and body through specific focusing exercises. The basic thing is to create a state of one-pointedness. Then you are guaranteed success regardless of the technique/direction of what you want to accomplish. My first experience of this was when I was 4 years old and found myself concentrating on a tiny dot of light within my vision as I was trying to fall asleep (it would happen to me nearly every night for about a year). As I involuntarily fixed my mind to the point, I found myself moving right into it and then expanding exponentially, with consciousness opening into the immensity of a world so huge it was beyond conception. It frightened me as a child and so I made myself stop doing it. Later, as a teenager who was deeply interested in altered states of consciousness, I began to work on achieving out of the body states. This time I used the strong focus (again, right before falling to sleep - when the body is calmed and the mind is more malleable) on my solar plexus and as a result began to have sensations of seeing outside of my head, flying above the room and even far above the earth. I was able to see things that later were proved to have happened. Then, when I was twenty-three, I was doing a zen meditation retreat (my focus was to stay completely aware within the present moment) and I was able, in a piercing flash, to see into the foundation of my personal existence - which was (shatteringly) not personal at all. That one brief flash of insight revolutionized my life. Since then, more meditation, life experience and other altered states brought on through concentration and aids like mj have reinforced these original perceptions and utterly changed my view of the world for the better. I'm really happy to see other people interested in expanding their consciousness on sites like these.
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CarolKing
Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
I have to keep reading what this thread is about?
There are plenty of Sativa strains that have high levels of CBD. I know that Harlequin is one of them, there are a lot others. This business of just Indica is personal preference. There are Hybrids out there I've found that help with my pain. I'm still learning about different strains and how they work for me. I'm reading online and learn a ton from FCers.
This past week picked up some CBD capsules at a dispensary. I bought them for pain. They say that cannabis high in CBD helps with pain. I don't think I noticed a difference. I was told you need to take these long term to have an effect. I would also need to try out different amounts too.
I'm getting the Magical Butter Maker for capsules and edibles next week. I'm going to try making my own.
I took a pic of the package the one on the left was $12 a 4 caps and only CDB, the other was $15 for 5 caps it had 22 mg of THC per cap and the 28mg CBD.
There are plenty of Sativa strains that have high levels of CBD. I know that Harlequin is one of them, there are a lot others. This business of just Indica is personal preference. There are Hybrids out there I've found that help with my pain. I'm still learning about different strains and how they work for me. I'm reading online and learn a ton from FCers.
This past week picked up some CBD capsules at a dispensary. I bought them for pain. They say that cannabis high in CBD helps with pain. I don't think I noticed a difference. I was told you need to take these long term to have an effect. I would also need to try out different amounts too.
I'm getting the Magical Butter Maker for capsules and edibles next week. I'm going to try making my own.
I took a pic of the package the one on the left was $12 a 4 caps and only CDB, the other was $15 for 5 caps it had 22 mg of THC per cap and the 28mg CBD.
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@lwien, I will back you up on the statement about "seeing things that were there" on acid. My experience with acid actually contained no hallucinations as we might commonly term them. That is, there was nothing added to my vision that just came out of nowhere. I did read sentences backwards as easily as forwards. I did see each tiny raindrop on a treestump individually. I did notice time slowing down and events breaking apart into discrete 'frames'. I did find space stretching out eternally within the coil rug in my living room. I did hear a flower cry when I broke it's electromagnetic field by picking it. But there were no extra images created; all my extrasensory perception, so to speak, simply related to real objects (and their expanded sense). Marijuana has the same effect on me at high dosages. So your beautifully descriptive writing here really resounds with me.
As for transcendent experiences in general, I can tell you that out of the body (OOB) and zen practices REALLY WORK. I spent years in Zen temples and monasteries, following various masters and doing intensive mental concentration, also used techniques diligently to induce OOBs. Without a doubt you can achieve these expanded states of mind and body through specific focusing exercises. The basic thing is to create a state of one-pointedness. Then you are guaranteed success regardless of the technique/direction of what you want to accomplish. My first experience of this was when I was 4 years old and found myself concentrating on a tiny dot of light within my vision as I was trying to fall asleep (it would happen to me nearly every night for about a year). As I involuntarily fixed my mind to the point, I found myself moving right into it and then expanding exponentially, with consciousness opening into the immensity of a world so huge it was beyond conception. It frightened me as a child and so I made myself stop doing it. Later, as a teenager who was deeply interested in altered states of consciousness, I began to work on achieving out of the body states. This time I used the strong focus (again, right before falling to sleep - when the body is calmed and the mind is more malleable) on my solar plexus and as a result began to have sensations of seeing outside of my head, flying above the room and even far above the earth. I was able to see things that later were proved to have happened. Then, when I was twenty-three, I was doing a zen meditation retreat (my focus was to stay completely aware within the present moment) and I was able, in a piercing flash, to see into the foundation of my personal existence - which was (shatteringly) not personal at all. That one brief flash of insight revolutionized my life. Since then, more meditation, life experience and other altered states brought on through concentration and aids like mj have reinforced these original perceptions and utterly changed my view of the world for the better. I'm really happy to see other people interested in expanding their consciousness on sites like these.
I can have an OOBE fairly easily, I guess as ones consciousness becomes more relieved you figure out how to work it. Getting used to the unique vibrations is probably the strangest part. Never done any hallucinogens. I'm interested in it but a bit nervous.
So you can have them at will now? I have lost that ability.
About the hallucinogens, I don't know if I'd trust any stuff given me now. I"ve always wanted to try Ecstasy, but I've heard you can't get it anywhere near pure anymore. I"d be nervous too.
Vinman
Well-Known Member
According to the research article at http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3763649/ the oral bioavailability of CBD is only 6%. So when you take it orally, 94% is wasted and the 25 mg pills only really give you 1.5 mg. But it does stay in your body longer than from smoking/vaping (longer half life).
grokit
well-worn member
Try focusing on your breathing, transformational breathwork/rhythmic breathing/re-birthing exercises can be a great way to recover these abilities. I first tried it under guidance with real (not street) therapeutic ecstasy, but I have actually had better luck on my own when the situation has been right (somewhat spontaneously) without any chemical assistance once I became familiar with the technique. I've also been able to force the issue with breathing if I want to, it's really a trip when it works. I've also been fortunate to have tried it in a few group settings, had so-so success with large groups (kundanalini yoga focuses on this type of breathwork), but the best was a non-yoga small group of just four including the leader.
@CarolKing if you're reading this, the therapist that introduced me to transformational breathwork had first employed this technique while working with hardcore heroin addicts, he told me that it was the only thing that had any consistent success with them because the experience is so intense it actually competes with the gratification a junkie experiences when high on smack. So maybe food for thought.
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Pretty much. I just have to be in a certain "mood" That mood is an amazing state of relaxation though. It's harder to become relaxed to the point of doing it then actually facilitating the OOBE. I like to hit the vape and play some real stimulating music to start. If you follow auras, I like to play music with who I believe I share the same auras with me. Kinda weird but it really takes me there.
I don't recall being particularly relaxed when I would disassociate. But I guess I was. It would have been that slim stage being full awake and completely asleep. I'd like to really feel a state of total relaxation. I don't think I've been there yet consciously.
I haven't thought about auras in a long time. I used to read about them and to try to see them. I have a friend who's very 'psychic' and can see them easily. I truly enjoy vaping and listening to music. Sound is really important to my meditation. That's because sound is both direct and unknowable. To me, it is the lifeline into the spiritual world. When I contemplate sound I always have bursts of insight. And it leads me into other inner explorations. I'm really curious about what it would mean to share auras. I had one of the peak experiences of my life once getting high with a guy I used to date and experiencing the different chakra realms. We never even touched physically but our interaction was amazing.
I think as a culture we waste the potentials of mind-altering substances. First, we suppress them and pretend they don't exist. Then the people who do indulge in them are too intimidated to socialize on a broad scale. Just think of the diverse and creative and mind-blowing interactions people could have if their minds were truly opened!