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Is ThcJd safe?
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THC-JD is considered a disputed cannabinoid by the /r/altcannabinoids subreddit.
As to your question, "is it safe to use synthetic cannabinoids?"
There is inheritenly risk to any grey market "research chemicals", including synthetic cannabinoids. There are two major categories of risk to consider. Source of the substance, and available research (user reports).
Whether there is a higher risk than black market is debatable. Theoretically, you can get a copy of the lab analysis, but who is to say that's legit or even the same sample as what you have acquired. Do you really know who synthesized it, what the conditions were, what the purity really is? It's mostly unregulated.
Today, you can go online and buy in bulk, pre-filled vape carts straight-off the boat, labeled with whatever altnoids and adorned with QR codes and 21+ warnings to legitimize the mystery oil. Delta-8 is like Delta-9 light, a bit harder on the lungs, you could find it anywhere for a while, including gas stations. Hopefully obvious, but gas station is selling boof juice with garbage you should put in your lungs, your local hemp farmer has the legit stuff.
Just because something has nice packaging, doesn't mean mean shit, and that goes for smoke shops as well (cash grab).
So if you're really hell-bent on trying out more noids, do your research on effects. Read through user reports (with a keen eye for shills), make sure you understand what you think you're about to put into your body. Find a clean source. Unless you're not able to use or acquire natural cannabis products, you'll probably be disappointed in most altnoids.
As to your question, "is it safe to use synthetic cannabinoids?"
There is inheritenly risk to any grey market "research chemicals", including synthetic cannabinoids. There are two major categories of risk to consider. Source of the substance, and available research (user reports).
Whether there is a higher risk than black market is debatable. Theoretically, you can get a copy of the lab analysis, but who is to say that's legit or even the same sample as what you have acquired. Do you really know who synthesized it, what the conditions were, what the purity really is? It's mostly unregulated.
Today, you can go online and buy in bulk, pre-filled vape carts straight-off the boat, labeled with whatever altnoids and adorned with QR codes and 21+ warnings to legitimize the mystery oil. Delta-8 is like Delta-9 light, a bit harder on the lungs, you could find it anywhere for a while, including gas stations. Hopefully obvious, but gas station is selling boof juice with garbage you should put in your lungs, your local hemp farmer has the legit stuff.
Just because something has nice packaging, doesn't mean mean shit, and that goes for smoke shops as well (cash grab).
So if you're really hell-bent on trying out more noids, do your research on effects. Read through user reports (with a keen eye for shills), make sure you understand what you think you're about to put into your body. Find a clean source. Unless you're not able to use or acquire natural cannabis products, you'll probably be disappointed in most altnoids.
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bulllee
Agent Provocateur
Buyer beware. Who knows wtf these synthetic cannabinoids will do to you later . Here's a couple , THCP, THCB . I never heard of these two. https://neurogan.com/blogs/news/wha...e,inflammatory properties, and mood elevation.
I'm waiting to see how long the loop hole in the hemp bill will last . THCP allegedly is 30 times stronger than THC ? I'm a full spectrum fan
, I believe in whole plant medicine 
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my life long motto (for 54 years): know your chemist.
Everyone keeps asking me about my "Tetrahydrocannabinol Jesus Do" bracelet and I have to keep telling them I don't know the source or composition. It's based on faith.
trust ... but verify
or
have faith ... but get references
or
have faith ... but get references
TiSteamo
VAPEnsiero... sull'ali dorate...
Me too.THCP allegedly is 30 times stronger than THC ? I'm a full spectrum fan
General Disaster
Stationary momentum!
There are some fully legitimate cannabinoids recently discovered in the natural plant profiles that are present in minute quantities (hence only recently found) but have profoundly higher activity than Δ9THC. One of the reasons natural cannabis has had remarkably few negative aspects pharmacologically is that those active compounds present in large percentages (primarily Δ9THC) are not the most efficient agonists by any means.
Just because a compound is related to the normally safe and natural product many use without serious damage has, as pointed out already in this thread, absolutely no bearing on where they are safe, and more importantly, safe at what dosages.
Likewise, taking a cannabinoid that is present in natural cannabis and making it available in a much stronger form can't be assumed to be safe.
One reason cannabis has such a good reputation is due to the very long time it's been in use and the opportunities that's given to spot toxic affects. Even if something new tests out ok, how can anyone know what negative effects may only become apparent after decades of use?
There's still a lot not understood about the human endocannabinoid system.
Everyone is free to make their own assessment and choices, but there are no guarantees you won't do permanent harm to yourself - so you have to ask yourself just how much having such experiences is worth playing Russian roulette?
I would even go so far as to say any trust in the supplier could well be misplaced - how would anyone go about confirming they were telling the truth (they may well believe what they say, but just how do they know for sure?).
Just because a compound is related to the normally safe and natural product many use without serious damage has, as pointed out already in this thread, absolutely no bearing on where they are safe, and more importantly, safe at what dosages.
Likewise, taking a cannabinoid that is present in natural cannabis and making it available in a much stronger form can't be assumed to be safe.
One reason cannabis has such a good reputation is due to the very long time it's been in use and the opportunities that's given to spot toxic affects. Even if something new tests out ok, how can anyone know what negative effects may only become apparent after decades of use?
There's still a lot not understood about the human endocannabinoid system.
Everyone is free to make their own assessment and choices, but there are no guarantees you won't do permanent harm to yourself - so you have to ask yourself just how much having such experiences is worth playing Russian roulette?
I would even go so far as to say any trust in the supplier could well be misplaced - how would anyone go about confirming they were telling the truth (they may well believe what they say, but just how do they know for sure?).
zeebudz
Well-Known Member
Certainly not defending altnoids, but the same could be said for d9 THC. Cannabis has been used for 1000s of years, but how long has 30% THC flower or 70%+ concentrates been used on a consistent basis by so many people?
chillAtGVC
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Probably quite a while. Not concentrates, but most of the weed I bought in India in 80's was easily as strong as what I get now as "30% THC". One in particular was stronger than any flower I have ever tried.
General Disaster
Stationary momentum!
I disagree. The difference between a cannabis related compound that's hundred's of times more potent does not compare to flower that's maybe 5 times stronger. Not to mention that concentrates are not only the domain of modern chemistry, people have been strengthening natural cannabis for thousands of years! Powerful hashes like Nepalese and many others have been made for a very long time! These easily compare to modern flower strength.
Just for starters, how about the likes of spice and similar? Cannabinoid derivatives, and yet terribly harmful to the user. There are also legal opioids that are on sale in gas stations in the US and yet can produce a worse addiction than heroin. I could quote many more substances based on other drug types and yet most definitely not safe, and many more are simply unknown as to their effects, especially longer term.
If the word 'cannabis' makes anyone think some unknown/untested material is safe, they are mistaken.
When it comes to trusting a non regulated chemist to perform high quality synthesis and follow through with proper analysis of the end product, this added but significant risk brings to mind the guy who fucked up a synthetic opioid reaction that gave him instant Parkinson's (and years later, this happened again for a small group of users).
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