Is reclaim worth it?
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His_Highness
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king
@mitchgo61 That's the key factor for me too...how much work it takes. Since I'm doing the reclaim from Solo stems there really isn't much work...I can drop them, gently, into hot whole milk and stir till the reclaim is washed out into the milk OR scrape it into a secondary container for use later with any number of things including hemp fiber reclaim sandwiches that I can then also vape in my Solo. Imagine upwards of 6 hits all tasting like the first hit of a newly filled stem...OMG tasty! Not sure if its the taste from the hemp fiber or the reclaim or both though.
herbivore21
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This is a really good idea actually, I'd love to get something inert to stick in my dropdown on my dab rig to collect any vapor that doesn't make it the whole way!
I am concerned about using plant fibers though because they thermally degrade like any other organic material and create their own vapor when heated - this vapor will contain fats/waxes/nutrients (the last of which concentrate in the stems of cannabis plants, whether industrial hemp or psychoactive). I do not trust industrial hemp processing to give us something safe for vaping.
Cotton used to give this weird 'texture' to vapor when I vaped it, so I went to SS wool. I really am hesitant to put this inside my dab rig since my rig is worth a hell of a lot of money and this may scratch the worked glass on my dropdown.
I wonder what else we could use for this purpose??? I wonder if we could do a test with a number of possible substrates to see which material is safest for this purpose? Does anyone with a fan-forced vape (like the volcano) wanna put a piece of calico (unbleached cotton fabric - my next guess at a possible suitable material) into a clean volcano (or similar) and fill a bag to see if it creates vapor?
The reason I say using fan forced vape is because we should not inhale to test if something creates its own vapor lol.
This is a really good idea actually, I'd love to get something inert to stick in my dropdown on my dab rig to collect any vapor that doesn't make it the whole way!
I am concerned about using plant fibers though because they thermally degrade like any other organic material and create their own vapor when heated - this vapor will contain fats/waxes/nutrients (the last of which concentrate in the stems of cannabis plants, whether industrial hemp or psychoactive). I do not trust industrial hemp processing to give us something safe for vaping.
Cotton used to give this weird 'texture' to vapor when I vaped it, so I went to SS wool. I really am hesitant to put this inside my dab rig since my rig is worth a hell of a lot of money and this may scratch the worked glass on my dropdown.
I wonder what else we could use for this purpose??? I wonder if we could do a test with a number of possible substrates to see which material is safest for this purpose? Does anyone with a fan-forced vape (like the volcano) wanna put a piece of calico (unbleached cotton fabric - my next guess at a possible suitable material) into a clean volcano (or similar) and fill a bag to see if it creates vapor?
The reason I say using fan forced vape is because we should not inhale to test if something creates its own vapor lol.
Stick a small bud in the stem. One of the ones that you have ISO scrubbed when doing a concentrate run.
herbivore21
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This is an excellent idea mate, thanks! I'll give this one a shot
HellsWindStaff
Dharma Initiate
I'm totally with you on this, if I scrape my Underdog stems/Mighty, it is much stronger, than if I iso wash/evap it. It also tastes...distinct. It's a good taste, kind of weedy but not exactly. Not sure how to categorize it lol. Fresh Reclaim taste? Terps? I really am not well versed in the science when it comes to this.
It also gives me a much fuller high dabbing compared to BHO. My body is usually rocked.
I scrape when they are thick (Little Stok dabber), and Iso wash occasionally to get them super clean.
I have a dedicated piece for oils, and I dab that reclaim regularly, til it gets gross, then I iso it.It's about that time actually
Dank Sinatra
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How potent is that hot cocoa? My stems were pretty dirty before I finally cleaned them. Would I use both of the stems in one cup?If you have a Solo, Air or a Nano you can stir your hot cocoa with your resin filled stems. There's probably other vaporizers you can do this with. Pretty easy and no hassle.
flotntoke
thoroughly vaped
Great discussion here!
If they're really dirty, don't put both in one cup. Try half for a nice buzz. I usually let my solo stem get pretty gooey and do the hot milk cleaning. One good cleaning is enough for me and a friend to get pretty toasty, or a ripping buzz for just one. I've also done the milk trick, used half, and put half in the fridge for a couple days. Works fine. As always, depends on what went thru your stem to create the reclaim. Use whole milk or cream. The reclaim attaches itself to the fats. Another good way is to use half & half and add to your coffee as desired.
I've found ISO wash reclaim to be degraded, too. Lately, I try to use the same ISO for it for less than a month and keep it in an amber glass container in a cabinet if I'm going to evaporate it. Also, think scraped reclaim is MUCH better. Anymore I usually use my same ISO over and over (one batch for water pieces and another for stems and screens) and just dump when it gets cruddy brown. Think I've been using the same batch for the bubblers and whatnot for more than a year. It is now almost orange, but still working fine. There are some goodies floating in it, so I think about evaping it, but would guess it will be really harsh and not too potent.
Samsquanch
Vapor Astronaut
Is reclaim worth it , hell yeah . Does ISO change the flavor or potency , hell yeah. I gave up on ISO for reclaim , the only thing it gets used for now is a final spotless cleaning . You have to remeber with ISO , it is a percentage (eg. 91% , 99% , whatever batch you grab) it is not pure and 100% evaporatable , traces will ALWAYS be left behind . Does it effect the final taste , hell yeah . I also find that the stuff created from ISO has a slightly thinner consistancy than pure vapor resin . The only way I reclaim now is by running with heat or scraping . Why would anybody who does this for health reasons want to inhale ISO or any other foriegn chemicals , no matter what the trace percentage is ? Think about it .
flotntoke
thoroughly vaped
Eh.... I'm not positive, but pretty sure the remaining percentage is water if you're using regular ISO (not the green shit). So if 91% ISO, it is 9% H2O (or at least 8.99999%) and that evaporates, too. Think the traces and that taste that can remain are from the ISO itself. Not as bad, but reclaim I've processed with Everclear (95% alcohol/5% water) is about the same. And, though the final product may be a little better I've found the same with using fresh material instead of reclaim. Even if doing a really quick 20 second wash. Once got a hold of some medical grade ethanol (pretty much same thing as Everclear), and had same results.
It all tastes pretty shitty, but works great if you're hard up and can't find "that guy" for a refill or if you're desperate for a dab or two and don't have access to the good shit.
Scraping it out dry or transferring to a different medium with heat (dairy product, coconut oil or similar) is usually quicker, easier, tastier and more rewarding IMO.
PurpleDazed
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PurpleDazed
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sorry meant to add to the quote requarding iso and whips. I have found trying to reclaim out of whips by soaking in iso cloudies up the whip. and I am lead to think that iso and the plastics in the whips might leach and i wouldnt want to be trying anything if it might have leeched plastic stuffs in it
AhBeVapin
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hey now,
regarding ISO: i've reclaimed (stems, GonGs & J-hooks) twice, using 500ml each time.
batch 1 with 99% (purchased at SDM) and 91% (purchased at Walmart)
i didn't think the 8% difference in H2O content would matter. i thought the 91% ISO would just take longer to evap.
i was right about it taking longer to evap but was wrong to try and save $2-3/bottle. IMO 99% ISO reclaim tastes better than 91% ISO reclaim.
abV out
regarding ISO: i've reclaimed (stems, GonGs & J-hooks) twice, using 500ml each time.
batch 1 with 99% (purchased at SDM) and 91% (purchased at Walmart)
i didn't think the 8% difference in H2O content would matter. i thought the 91% ISO would just take longer to evap.
i was right about it taking longer to evap but was wrong to try and save $2-3/bottle. IMO 99% ISO reclaim tastes better than 91% ISO reclaim.
abV out
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howie105
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Wow, I have used silicone tubing for a long time and never ran across any health warning on cleaning food grade silicone tubing with ISO. Can you please point me to your sources? Thanks
flotntoke
thoroughly vaped
It shouldn't leach, but I stopped doing this because of silicone clouding also. Don't think @PurpleDazed said there was a health warning, but that they chose not to for the same reason. I've pretty much eliminated silicone tubing from my vaping, tho not because of this. More because of the general pain in the ass it can be in use and cleaning.
I also found that scraping reclaim from the tubing was more productive and provided a better product. Think there are better instructions in the tubing thread, but basically get a screw with a head a little wider than your I/D and pull it through with a string. A straightened coat hanger works well to thread the string through, then tie your screw on and pull back through. Never had much luck with getting it back to the original color/tint with ISO anyway (or anything else), and the inability to dry it well after rinsing out the ISO left me worried about mildew growth from the moisture. I guess an air compressor could help here, but would still be a PIA IMO.
If you enjoy the ISO wash from tubing and aren't worried about it, have at it! Just don't see the need to go after people for sources when they are expressing their personal opinion on something they don't feel comfortable with.
ginolicious
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To dry your silicone whip of your vaporizer is fan indices you hook it up and run the air through it. It's like using an air compressor. Tubing does get gross. I will not lie, getting it back to the original colour is also extremely difficult. Wish I had a different solution for my Vapir rise. But looks like it's only silicone whips for me haha.
I'm doing a reclaim on a space case 2pc grinder tonight. Thing is so hold. Never been cleaned. Using 99% ISO in a ziplock container. Then going to evap it. Will let you know how it goes. Not sure what to expect. Will it look like shatter?
I'm doing a reclaim on a space case 2pc grinder tonight. Thing is so hold. Never been cleaned. Using 99% ISO in a ziplock container. Then going to evap it. Will let you know how it goes. Not sure what to expect. Will it look like shatter?
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flotntoke
thoroughly vaped
Think my best was to swing it around in circles and get all moisture out I could, then stick a funnel in and hit that with a hair dryer. Did pretty well, but still don't think it got all the moisture out. Best bet? Clean it dry and buy in 10' or more increments. Is cheaper, and you always have some on hand for replacement.
IME grinders can be hard to figure. I've thought there was a bunch in there and come up with hardly any, and thought there was not much and come up with a lot. I don't ISO them for reclaim any more either. I get a metal scraper of some sort, a couple toothpics and a brush. Clean out all I can and dump on a piece of paper, then dump that on to a regular vape load. Very nice!!! Then just clean up any remaining goo with same old cruddy ISO I use for other stuff and an old toothbrush.
Seriously doubt what you get will look like shatter. Once you evap out the ISO, it will probably look like dry piss on your dish. Use a razor blade to scrape it up, and it will probably look a little darker. Usually more opaque than shatter and more of a cheese type consistency. Kind of like scraped cheese if that makes sense. Once you have the shavings from scraping, you can ball it all together and it ends up looking very similar to bubble hash. If it only tasted as good!
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Samsquanch
Vapor Astronaut
To better explain "using heat " , I usually have an all glass vapor path (Arizer products) , "by using heat" I mean that I take a torch lighter (not a bic) , and heat the glass enough so that the resin can run out of the tube . I usually run them into a 5gr glass vial for use at a later time .
So if your gonna try this there are two things to remeber , one , you better have steady hands or your gonna make a hot gooey mess , and two , for fuck sakes be careful and dont burn yourself with the torch lighter in the process.
flotntoke
thoroughly vaped
And, don't use so much heat you vape off the actives!
Just another good reason to stick with the milk trick IMO. Milk boils at pretty much 100C, same as water. And, doesn't even have to be boiling to clean reclaim. Try it and you will be surprised how quickly the reclaim "jumps" off the glass. It seems to love to bond with the milk fats. Seriously, it goes faster and easier than with ISO - tho probably in part due to the heat. And, easy as hell to clean warm milk from glass. Rinse in hot water, set aside to dry.
Ya know @ginolicious .... I haven't tried it, but the milk trick might do very well with your grinder, too. Of course you won't be able to vape the reclaim - you'd have to ingest it - but this might work just as well as it does with glass.
howie105
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I use a crap load of silicon tubing and if there is a health risk that I can confirm then I want to know so I can protect myself. As to "going after someone" I don't see asking for additional background as being wrong. Its just part of the search for usable information, which is one of the big reasons many of us are here. Sorry if I left you with the wrong impression.
flotntoke
thoroughly vaped
My mistake. I must have read one of the two posts wrong. Thought @PurpleDazed said they were lead to think there may be a problem because they saw clouding in silicone from ISO, and thought you asked for a source on health warnings like it was from a study complete with report. I'll have to try to pay better attention in the future.
howie105
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Not a problem, to be honest I know my posts are not always the easiest to follow (its like I am on drugs or something) so my intent is sometimes clouded. Enjoy