Is kief worth it

[CuckFumbustion]

So looking forward to Christmas when I will get my new shiny Chromium 4 piece Shredder and I can finally make acquaintance with Keith

Happy Vapemas

@1DMF I'm awaiting your approval to place my order, if it's good enough for you, it's good enough for me...

Happy Vapemas FCers! 'Keith' is the spirit of Vapemas. If you have been good, Keith will come to your house and bless your mistletoe.

I do like my SCS and my HAZE for being different enough from each other. My SCS grinds smaller. But the screen in my HAZE seems to work better at catching the grains. Both catch finer particles along the wall. Plenty for Keith to bless.

 

[nondarb]

Not only is there--"steal from Peter to pay Paul", more importantly "there is no free lunch" !

There is only X amount of goodies in your bud, period. You either get ALL of it initially if you grind and load everything in vape--- OR ---with kief collection you get part of it NOW in your initial vape load and part of it LATER in the kief.

The kief is the best part/most potent , so removing it from each load gives each load less potency and flavor.
A grinder "collector" full of kief equals a huge dose of goodies, missing from the sum of your individual loads.

I want it all now---for potency and for full flavor spectrum of all the goodness.
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nondarb wrote:
" One simply has the added bonus of collecting otherwise near impossible to handle goodies."
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Not sure what you mean as every spec of bud goes in every load. Grind/shred in SCS 3 piece, pour into ratchett funnel, pour into chamber, and enjoy. Kief handles fine, right into each and every vape load.

I guess there will be those that like their kief NOW and those that like their kief LATER.

I meant just what I said, you can try and convince yourself otherwise but having the best of both worlds I CAN say there is no noticeable difference. I had company over last night and as expected they couldn't tell ANY difference either. In fact you seem to be the only person here who thinks he/she can tell the difference.

There is no waste, you made a comment about having it "now or later" when with a 4 piece you can have BOTH. No ones stopping you from taking a little dip from the kief catch every bowl! Sprinkling it on top is a much more effieicent method of consumption compared to it being loose in your grind. Peter and Paul shouldn't keep their money in the same place if they didn't want to share, ya dig?

 

[max]

Sprinkling it on top is a much more effieicent method of consumption compared to it being loose in your grind.

Aside from personal preference, the best reason to use a screen grinder to collect your kief is to avoid losing it when your bud is dry and it separates from your ground herb. If the kief won't 'stick around' with the rest of your supply, it pays to collect it and add it back as icing on the cake or use it in some other way, rather than letting it escape here and there. It's like if you make cupcakes and want to add sprinkles on the top. You add the sprinkles when the icing is still wet and gooey, so it sticks. Adding it after the icing is dry is pointless, as is trying to keep kief attached to dry, ground herb.

I try not to let my herb get dried out (much tougher in Winter) since I prefer to use a 2 piece grinder and keep the kief attached, but a 4 piece does come in handy when you can't keep it all together. The stickiness of your herb certainly plays a part too, along with the moisture content.

 

[MinnBobber]

Sprinkling it on top is a much more effieicent method of consumption compared to it being loose in your grind.

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To each their own. I subscribe to KISS--"keep it simple stupid" method. Some love their kief. I see no point in adding steps; a remove the kief step, store the kief, and then an add in the kief step, when you can just grind and get all the kief now...

Your above quote is clearly not the case, why is collected kief much more efficient?
When I shred/use, it all goes in a miniVAP basket for complete extraction now.

Vaping diversity in action---kief for later folks or kief right now folks. And the grinder manufacturers are thankful for you kief collectors

 

[I'm Ron Burgundy?]

I recently stopped grinding my buds after exclusively grinding for about two years. I can't say wether I notice a potency difference. I can say the flavors are more robust and I use slightly less material per bowl.
The benefit To me is it cuts out one more step between our precious herb (undisturbed trichs) and it entering our lungs.
Common sense tells us if you're grinding then you're decreasing trichome coverage of your herb. I also want all available trichs/cannabinoids in that session. On the other hand keif is fun but I'd rather have it all upfront.

 

[kellya86]

I remember watching a moron snort a line of kief once, always wondered if that got him high???

@I'm Ron Burgundy? How are you refining your cannabis without a grinder?
By hand?
Scissors?
I'm interested in options....

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

cannabinoids are not water soluble

and trichomes have plant fats/wax covering the oils... plant fats/waxes are not water soluble either.

 

[nondarb]

your above quote is clearly not the case, why is collected kief much more efficient?
When I shred/use, it all goes in a miniVAP basket for complete extraction now.

It is generally accepted the best use of kief aside from additional processing is sprinkling it atop a bowl so it doesn't escape through the screen (which is undoubtably much more coarse than a pollen catch) upon inhaling, kief is so fine it generally needs a good substrate to survive combustion/vaporization and subsequent inhalation.

I subscribe to K.I.S.S. too, however I feel a screen is pretty simple! I guess we'll agree to disagree, but I still feel the notion that you genuinely feel you can tell the difference is silly.. Were talking thousandths (if not less!) of a gram here... I've got a recently acquired triple digit scale and it certainly couldn't tell the difference weight wise before and after grind. If a thousandth or potentially less of a gram of kief legitimately makes a difference to you, then I envy your tolerance or lack thereof.

I'm fixing to pay this Keith guy a visit. No work today .

 

[MinnBobber]

I remember watching a moron snort a line of kief once, always wondered if that got him high???

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In an Amsterdam store, there was a big pile of coco powder on a table with a sign next to it that it was for snorting a sample.
I may have a picture of that somewhere.
Choco-caine??

 

[kellya86]

What???? Who is snorting coco powder, is this a thing??? If so....crazy Dutch bastards.....

Hope that didn't sound racist.... I love Dutch people...and south Africans, think history connects them but I'm not sure how....accents are similar.....

 

[I'm Ron Burgundy?]

I remember watching a moron snort a line of kief once, always wondered if that got him high???

@I'm Ron Burgundy? How are you refining your cannabis without a grinder?
By hand?
Scissors?
I'm interested in options....

Old school...by hand. After 2 draws it becomes more dry then you can break it up. I use a stainless steel pic that came with my LSV to stir and break it up after every hit.
I see no need going back to a grinder. However the LSv Is a beast and some vapes probably need a finer grind.

 

[1DMF]

think history connects them but I'm not sure how

Yes, it was called the Boer War, which was the British against the Zulu's and The Dutch, surely you've seen the movies Zulu & Zulu Dawn? with Michael Caine, Bob Hoskins, Burt Lancaster, Peter O'Toole, Patrick Magee, Richard Burton, just to name a few!

That's why South Africa & the Dutch sound similar, Afrikaans is a Germanic language descendent from Dutch.

Interesting fact - Ghandi was a stretcher bearer in the Indian Ambulance Corps for the British army during the Zulu uprising in 1899. He refused to fight due to his pacifist nature, so tended the wounded, before his epic tale of brining India independence.

But I'm with you, snorting chocolate, crazy Dutch bastards

 

[phattpiggie]

I remember watching a moron snort a line of kief once, always wondered if that got him high???

Been that moron did jack shit but burn. It was all in the name of science you understand.
Sorry I've had to abstain today so the Lemon thing went over my head, and yes not everyone will have heard of him.
@1DMF PM me if you need anymore details. I think you may be seeing a lot of SMA tins round your house very soon.

 

[kellya86]

Go history !!!!!!

Was my worst subject

I'm am not 30 till next year, that film is a bit before my time....

But I bow to your impressive historical knowledge...

Im so glad I don't have to buy sma ever again, used to hate making that shit, i would always lose count of my scoops and have to start again...probably high

 

[1DMF]

I'm am not 30 till next year, that film is a bit before my time....

Cheeky bastard, the first film was made in 1964, I was born in 1971!

I've been to India and visited the Ghandi Museum in Delhi (and seen the films several times of course).

They are classic, you must watch them, it's a great film for watching the British get their arses whopped, and also a stark reminder of our sordid empire past!

@phattpiggie Will do, gotta get my hand on my shredder first and see what keif is!

 

[Farid]

I don't use a grinder to collect kief anymore because I think there is a significant amount of kief lost on the teeth of the grinder, and the threads if you're not careful. I pack the bottom of my stem with a bit of shake to stop kief from falling through the screen, then I put a tiny nug in the stem and chop it with scissors. Then I scrape the pressed kief off of the scissors and add the two tiny hash balls that come from each blade. I think I save meds this way compared to when I used a grinder.

If I was still using a MFLB I'd absolutely collect kief. Since i mostly use a UD I don't feel the need.

 

[kellya86]

@1DMF Ha yeah I'm aware that we are the real bastards in history, and most people learned there evil from us.

India scares me, they don't seem to respect human life as we do.

I will watch the film over Xmas....

You will have to let me know if kief is all its cracked up to be...
I wonder how long till you break into your pristine layer of kief.

 

[crawdad]

two roads diverged in a wood and i took the one with slightly less trichromes, and that has made no significant difference.

Were talking thousandths (if not less!) of a gram here... I've got a recently acquired triple digit scale and it certainly couldn't tell the difference weight wise before and after grind.

not sure weighing kief is a good indication of potency levels if you are comparing its weight to the weight of buds, super tiny amounts of kief will provide a level for me. i was very curious about this early on as i make an oz last 4 months so did my own tests.

i used 4 different strains taking the same amount of a tbreak and then using the same amount from a 4 piece grind vs scissors in a bowl with very near identical hits (temp, length of hit, etc). while some strains it was hard to tell any difference others i could (perhaps due to lower potency to start with or moisture content) but its not something that i miss enough to return to versus having the option of "mixing it up" by exclusively using kief for a while. it fits into my tolerance program nicely. when i get a new strain that i know is going to be a hit i use scissors for the first few bowls then off to the 4 piece so i can enjoy it many months after the flowers have gone.

i think part of this is preference/ritual and the rest is simply going to vary based on tolerance, curing, and strain availability.

 

[SavedByTheVape]

TRICHOMES baby, YEAH!! My santa cruz shredder 3 piece is more than adequate for collecting loads of juicy kief molecules from crispy nugglets. However, I've been using a cali crusher 4 piece the past couple months and it's now my daily driver for chompin nuggiez. For a soft and medium grind you can just twist to the left a couple times, for a very fine and fluffy grind yee twist 'er to zee right, and for total nuggy annihilation juss twist err back n' forth (to and fro) to transform your beautiful herbals into magical pixie dust consistency. Happy irie HoliBlaze ayyyyy

 

[woolspinner]

I absolutely guarantee you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between weed that was ground with a 2 piece grinder vs weed that was ground with a 4 piece in taste potency or any other variable you are using to make your case.

outwest

I guess I just imagined the change in potency when I removed the pollen screen part from my 4 part grinder to make it into a 3 piece.
Viva Imagination!

 

[CarolKing]

I remember watching a moron snort a line of kief once, always wondered if that got him high???

@I'm Ron Burgundy? How are you refining your cannabis without a grinder?
By hand?
Scissors?
I'm interested in options....

Must have been a real moron - made an idiot of himself I would imagine. Snorting kief?

 

[kellya86]

Turns out it was @phattpiggie ...

 

[420time]

is kief worth making bho with? ive been looking around, seems like that if the kief is a bit green, the concentrate will turn green. Also i plan on running 80+g of blue dream kief bho run, hoping i can get back 2oz+ from it.

 

[phattpiggie]

@kellya86 and @CarolKing I hold my hand up. I did it in the privacy of my own home. No bravado involved just one of those 'fuk it why not' moments that come over all of us once in a while.

 

[Pyr0]

I love Keith lol I save mine up in a Jyarz Chico.
It's potent stuff that can give a real extra kick to a bowl or can come in handy when running low.

@phattpiggie Ouch! lol