Is it possible using different devices give different effects even with the same strain of herb?

Solomon

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Great thread, and yes. differences between vapes is more than temp, and goes to this mysterious "vape signature" idea @shredder suggested. In addition to temperature consistency, I think it comes from how long a vape takes to fully extract, plus differences in the vape's "draw". Both of these combine to change the rate and amount of THC/CBD absorption.

A vape that takes 3 mins to vape quantity X, versus a vape that takes 10 mins is going to produce a different effect.

Also, a vape that makes you take deep breaths versus more shallow breaths will also affect absorption rates.

Mix these with differences in how vapes distribute heat (as well as temp), and I think that "vape signature" is in full effect
 

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Great thread, and yes. differences between vapes is more than temp, and goes to this mysterious "vape signature" idea @shredder suggested. In addition to temperature consistency, I think it comes from how long a vape takes to fully extract, plus differences in the vape's "draw". Both of these combine to change the rate and amount of THC/CBD absorption.

A vape that takes 3 mins to vape quantity X, versus a vape that takes 10 mins is going to produce a different effect.

Also, a vape that makes you take deep breaths versus more shallow breaths will also affect absorption rates.

Mix these with differences in how vapes distribute heat (as well as temp), and I think that "vape signature" is in full effect
I will argue that there is still a lot more to it than that, beyond the obvious and logical variables which we might consider.

I'm sure it is pretty scientific at root.
 
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A vape that takes 3 mins to vape quantity X, versus a vape that takes 10 mins is going to produce a different effect.

vape that makes you take deep breaths versus more shallow breaths will also affect absorption rates.

Kinda like chugging beers or sipping on them over time...

I think conduction hits higher temps, especially where the herb touches the oven. The temperature difference is gunna change the high IME.
 
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couldn't get stempod going gotta try again, all I got was lots of flavor no vapor.

the plenty with dosing capsules was just as good as using the regular chamber with liquid pad, its just the session is waaaayyyyy shorter, this is perfect for just one or two people. full chamber with no spacer must be out of this world. I still got great effects, just not as intense. so my conclusion is yes different vapes produce different highs for sure. I do believe that a little conduction mixed in with convection is a good thing, it feels like your getting that little bit more of something, and its good.

they should do a test, with blood work to see how much medication the body is receiving using the different types of vapes.
 
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couldn't get stempod going gotta try again, all I got was lots of flavor no vapor.

the plenty with dosing capsules was just as good as using the regular chamber with liquid pad, its just the session is waaaayyyyy shorter, this is perfect for just one or two people. full chamber with no spacer must be out of this world. I still got great effects, just not as intense. so my conclusion is yes different vapes produce different highs for sure. I do believe that a little conduction mixed in with convection is a good thing, it feels like your getting that little bit more of something, and its good.

they should do a test, with blood work to see how much medication the body is receiving using the different types of vapes.
Don't forget radiant heat. I actually think that in many convection devices, especially powerful desktops where the heater sits over and insulates the bowl, the radiant heat is playing substantially towards the extraction and the exact vapor and effects produced.

With a little conduction too, but not anywhere as significant compared to the Radiant heat.

I think maybe we have overfocussed on convection vs conduction, leaving radiation somewhat out of the mix.
 

david8613

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Don't forget radiant heat. I actually think that in many convection devices, especially powerful desktops where the heater sits over and insulates the bowl, the radiant heat is playing substantially towards the extraction and the exact vapor and effects produced.

With a little conduction too, but not anywhere as significant compared to the Radiant heat.

I think maybe we have overfocussed on convection vs conduction, leaving radiation somewhat out of the mix.


oh yeah you are right about that, the herberlizer was a desktop vaporizer that used radiant heat. the device had excellent reviews! it was supposed to be volcano level vapor, I wonder why they stopped making that machine.

http://herbalizer.net/
 
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oh yeah you are right about that, the herberlizer was a desktop vaporizer that used radiant heat. the device had excellent reviews! it was supposed to be volcano level vapor, I wonder why they stopped making that machine.

http://herbalizer.net/


Herbalizer is my daily driver for sure. I dont think there is much if any radiant heat, if you mean heat coming up into bowl when the fan is off and/or you're not pulling on the whip.

I mean, I can remove the bowl and put my finger almost touching the heat source and it's not hot.

Now if I turn on the fan, yeah, no, I would not do that....

The halogen bulb's greatness is that it cools as quickly as it heats, and it's at 445F in less than 20 seconds... so think it is a pure convection device, other than the stainless bowl retains some heat.

Now, if you mean radiant heat because the bowl gets hot in use and stays hot because the bowl retains some heat and radiates that heat into the herb within it--then yeah, there's some of that, but since you pack loose there's just not much transfer of that heat from the bowl into the herb within..

Edit: the company went bankrupt because the company's owners ate each other and/or fatally killed any chance of prosperity, businesswise and legally speaking. They also had what looked like a frivolous law suit filed against them by the volcano maker (who has been slapped down by other courts for the same type of frivolous intellectual property suits) and the timing of that probably took up valuable time and resources and money from an attorney (not to mention stress and fights within, I'm sure).

There are some models on Ebay here and there and a guy, herbalizer repair or something like that, who will service them inexpensively, if the unit ever needs it.

It's better than a volcano for sure, in every way. It's better than a Evo, marginally; WHOA, did I just say that?! Yes, i did. And the statement is accurate. Although, different beasts and I probably want a Evo if I could only have one, but I'm not sure there.
 
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I do believe that a little conduction mixed in with convection is a good thing, it feels like your getting that little bit more of something, and its good.

Well, that's the difference with adding conduction into the mix: stoned, even if just a little, vs. a convection (vape) high.

The halogen bulb's greatness is that it cools as quickly as it heats, and it's at 445F in less than 20 seconds... so think it is a pure convection device, other than the stainless bowl retains some heat.

Completely agree. I'd most liken it to convection because you set the temp & the halogen bulb heats to that temp & when you turn the heat off it rapidly cools, like a 510 box mod. Agree?
 

david8613

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ran my mighty last night, using dosing capsules. more softer vapor compared to the plenty, same quicker version of a session using dosing capsules vs a full chamber. same great effects, very stoned very high! lol. Storz and bickle really know there stuff. I still haven't had a chance to run stem pod, I hear that gives some incrediable vapor.

if I were to get a desk top that herberlizer would be it, I love the compact design, and I am guessing it is quieter than volcano correct?
 
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Completely agree. I'd most liken it to convection because you set the temp & the halogen bulb heats to that temp & when you turn the heat off it rapidly cools, like a 510 box mod. Agree?

Yes! It's interesting because the bulb turns on and off to maintain the ability to quickly reach the set temperature. The fan is key for that. Without the fan running there is no radiant heat.

The temperature is measured by a tiny probe below the bowl, which u can see. The probe is covered by two stainless screens (which trap hot air below the bowl). The bowl sits on top of those screens and comes on and off via a magnet. The fan has a slow and fast setting. To maintain temperature at the probe, the bulb comes on as well as the slow fan setting, both on for less than a second at a time. This happens several times a minute.

Between the time the slow fan and bulb come on, you can touch the screens, its that cool. But when the slow fan comes on, I would not put my finger on the screens. However, as little as a quarter inch above those screens and u just feel hot air, but it wont burn you as the air rapidly cools as it comes into the room. The slow fan setting only pushes enough air to keep temp probe up to temp, not enough to really heat the bowl or herb.

What I mean is if you left the bowl on the device with herb in it, you probably would get some radiant heating, with fan and bulb coming on to maintain the ability to heat really quickly, but it's not much. I think after an hour (if the device didnt shut off) you would still have green bud.

Now if you turn on the fan to inhale (the fast setting), you're pushing some serious hot air through that small bowl. Without the bowl there, keep your fingers away!

You can also just draw and the bulb will ramp up the temp.

In sum, its convection heating, not radient heating. And sounds very similar to the mod you speak of....

The benefit I have found, is the herb literally never tastes bad or like conduction popcorn. The flavor goes away or diminishes as you vape, and it gets dry, but the flavor never changes--if that makes sense--because it still tastes the same, i.e., good, as it turns brown, just with less of the initial flavor...

To tie this into the original posters question, yes, this device will produce very consistent effects at the set temperatures because all of the herb within the bowl is vaped at the same temperature. Whereas other devices with the same weed, especially conduction devices, I don't think come close to the same consistency. The outside of the bud will be vaped at higher temps depending on pack and setting. And other convection devices, e.g., Evo, have much more radiant heat. So if you leave the herb in the device its gunna bake, changing the experience.
 
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When you add the variable of device to the amazing ability of the plant to morph into whatever you desire it truly is magical.
 
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