is anybody worried that they have smoked concentrates?

[shredder]

Man you're dabbing ~5x as much as I would ever dab in a day. If you are dabbing 1g of oil a day and vaping 5g of flower, you're going to be clogging up your respiratory tract. That is a lot of resin being consumed!

I dab about .2g a day usually, on a very unusually high dosage day, .5g may be reached. I have never dabbed 1g in a day. Now this is not to say that you do not need large doses, you may indeed need to use more mmj for your conditions than I do for mine of course. What you need to explore is whether you can resolve these issues by substituting dabs with other methods of administration.

Keep your dabbing consumption to a hard maximum of .4-.5g a day (or less if you can find a regime that allows you to do so) and supplement with oralmucosal sprays, sublingual meds, edibles and even suppositories. I'd also stop vaping flowers if I were in your position. If you can make good dabs, then inhale those instead. If you vape flowers, you're going to inhale a lot of extra particulates and/or degradation byproducts of plant detritus in order to consume the same amount of resin as if you dabbed the resin alone. If you need help preparing meds in these forms, PM me.

It sounds to me like you are simply inhaling too much resin too frequently, much of which will recondense in your upper respiratory tract and be coughed up again due to cannabis' various expectorant mechanisms of action. That sounds like normal bodily functioning if so. If you didn't cough up a bunch of mucus when you inhaled a hell of a lot of boiled resin like that, there'd be something strange going on!

I tend to dab on my SiC halo at 510-520f, much, much lower temp which also could explain some of the difference. Still, in my understanding of your usage, it seems that your problem is simply too much cumulative exposure to resin in your upper respiratory tract, the temp you use is not unreasonably hot really.

By the way, if there were pesticides in your flowers, you wouldn't be able to see them. It does sound like your flowers are of quite good quality otherwise though from those yields

In addition to the warnings above about alcohol: If I were in your position, I would completely avoid alcohol man. It is absolutely violent on your guts. If you have digestive tract related problems, the last thing that you want to do is consume alcohol for medical relief. It'll cause at least as much harm as it masks over time. Alcohol is not safe to consume in any quantity, and can be especially damaging to your digestive organs over time if you have a pre-existing condition, even in small amounts that would be less of a concern in healthier guts.

I can empathize with your situation man, it would definitely be more difficult to manage dose requirements that are so large. I'd want to dab it all too if I could, but your body is definitely telling you that you're inhaling too much of the sticky stuff from the sound of things.

Good post, I agree with your assessment. Especially the alcohol part.

And for the OP, please don't take this the wrong way, but maybe you should go back and really try some or all the suggestions in this thread without being dismissive. An open mind is free and can open up new world's. And if what your doing now isn't working, why not try something else.

Im vaping rosin in micro doses at 550-600 in a sic dnail with great success medically. I usually start my day with a cbd/thc (Cannatonic #4 and green crack) mix at 30/70.

And I have patients with epilepsy, ulcerative colitis, failed back syndrome, cancer and so on that benefit from some cbd's in their daily routine in some form. And usually at a 50/50 mix.

Not saying cbd is your answer, or lower temp dabbing, the amount you use, or the alcohol use, but I bet something in this thread could help you.

 

[MileHighHuman]

Man you're dabbing ~5x as much as I would ever dab in a day. If you are dabbing 1g of oil a day and vaping 5g of flower, you're going to be clogging up your respiratory tract. That is a lot of resin being consumed!

I dab about .2g a day usually, on a very unusually high dosage day, .5g may be reached. I have never dabbed 1g in a day. Now this is not to say that you do not need large doses, you may indeed need to use more mmj for your conditions than I do for mine of course. What you need to explore is whether you can resolve these issues by substituting dabs with other methods of administration.

Keep your dabbing consumption to a hard maximum of .4-.5g a day (or less if you can find a regime that allows you to do so) and supplement with oralmucosal sprays, sublingual meds, edibles and even suppositories. I'd also stop vaping flowers if I were in your position. If you can make good dabs, then inhale those instead. If you vape flowers, you're going to inhale a lot of extra particulates and/or degradation byproducts of plant detritus in order to consume the same amount of resin as if you dabbed the resin alone. If you need help preparing meds in these forms, PM me.

It sounds to me like you are simply inhaling too much resin too frequently, much of which will recondense in your upper respiratory tract and be coughed up again due to cannabis' various expectorant mechanisms of action. That sounds like normal bodily functioning if so. If you didn't cough up a bunch of mucus when you inhaled a hell of a lot of boiled resin like that, there'd be something strange going on!

I tend to dab on my SiC halo at 510-520f, much, much lower temp which also could explain some of the difference. Still, in my understanding of your usage, it seems that your problem is simply too much cumulative exposure to resin in your upper respiratory tract, the temp you use is not unreasonably hot really.

By the way, if there were pesticides in your flowers, you wouldn't be able to see them. It does sound like your flowers are of quite good quality otherwise though from those yields

In addition to the warnings above about alcohol: If I were in your position, I would completely avoid alcohol man. It is absolutely violent on your guts. If you have digestive tract related problems, the last thing that you want to do is consume alcohol for medical relief. It'll cause at least as much harm as it masks over time. Alcohol is not safe to consume in any quantity, and can be especially damaging to your digestive organs over time if you have a pre-existing condition, even in small amounts that would be less of a concern in healthier guts.

I can empathize with your situation man, it would definitely be more difficult to manage dose requirements that are so large. I'd want to dab it all too if I could, but your body is definitely telling you that you're inhaling too much of the sticky stuff from the sound of things.

See the issue for my high flower consumption is because they are not strong enough for me.

Concentrates are strong enough, but they are what cause my mucus/gag issue.

This is the reason for my over consumption of flowers.

I do not like to inhale concentrates because they trigger my issue.

But i can consume as many flowers as i want with no mucus/gag issue whatsoever. Therefore since i much prefer to inhale flowers, but they are not strong enough (this is why i consume so much of them)

i have recently started making rosin. So i know I'm not inhaling any solvents or chemicals that could possibly be in BHO.

The rosin works great for my medical issues, i can feel the effects for sure, but for some reason the rosin just doesn't seem to work well with my respiratory system.

I would love to cut down of my flower consumption, but to do so I'm going to have to figure out how my respiratory system can tolerate concentrates.

Does that make sense?

And then yeah i agree about the alcohol. It can do a lot of damage (especially when over consumed). The only reason i drink it at all is to help feel the flower's effects. They just are not strong enough for me without it. I never consume alcohol and concentrates together (since they are strong enough as is)

Good post, I agree with your assessment. Especially the alcohol part.

And for the OP, please don't take this the wrong way, but maybe you should go back and really try some or all the suggestions in this thread without being dismissive. An open mind is free and can open up new world's. And if what your doing now isn't working, why not try something else.

Im vaping rosin in micro doses at 550-600 in a sic dnail with great success medically. I usually start my day with a cbd/thc (Cannatonic #4 and green crack) mix at 30/70.

And I have patients with epilepsy, ulcerative colitis, failed back syndrome, cancer and so on that benefit from some cbd's in their daily routine in some form. And usually at a 50/50 mix.

Not saying cbd is your answer, or lower temp dabbing, the amount you use, or the alcohol use, but I bet something in this thread could help you.

Most definitely. That is why i am here!

I'm going to experiment with the lower temps some more and see if there is any difference in my amount of mucus.

Also i have do have pure CBD to dab, but i find i really just prefer the combination of CBD, THC, and all the terpenes. It just makes for a much more complete medicine. CBD is better than nothing thats for sure. But i really prefer the natural plant if i had to pick.

Maybe you could bypass the stomach?

Two methods I'm aware of:

• Sublingual intake using a tincture (usually ethanol)
• Or suppository

You could possibly use either of those two methods try and raise the level of actives on your blood stream.

I would try sublingual. My only issue is creating them. I know there's tons of recipes online, I've just never been very successful in the kitchen as it is. Plus figuring out the mg per dose was always a challenge for me as well.

Not saying that I'm not willing to try again. But this is the reasoning why i currently do not use any type of tinctures

 

[GreenHopper]

I would try sublingual. My only issue is creating them. I know there's tons of recipes online, I've just never been very successful in the kitchen as it is. Plus figuring out the mg per dose was always a challenge for me as well.

Not saying that I'm not willing to try again. But this is the reasoning why i currently do

I absolutely understand this, it's very daunting trying to figure dosing.

I've been trying to find a reliable accurate method for my canna caps and have a tCheck device but I have no way to independently verify it's accuracy and its going to take a while for me to fully test it.

There are a lot of good posts/threads on making tincture and calculating a rough guide to dosing. I think it would take a little time and effort to figure out what you need but would be an additional delivery method that may increase your comfort levels.

Really at the end of the day you are responsible for your own health and well being and only you can really determine what the best compromises you are willing to make over the long term.

I wish you the best of luck and if you do decide to try some of the options know that you got support here on FC.

<-- this is my fave smiley

 

[Bouldorado]

I would try sublingual. My only issue is creating them. I know there's tons of recipes online, I've just never been very successful in the kitchen as it is. Plus figuring out the mg per dose was always a challenge for me as well.

Not saying that I'm not willing to try again. But this isbe the the reasoning why i currently do not use any type of tinctures

World's easiest tincture:

Decarb some concentrate (say 30 min @ 250°) and mix into a few ml of everclear until it is practically saturated. That will be the strongest liquid carrier of THC you can make at home.

To estimate the potency (mg THC per ml), simply multiply grams of concentrate by 750 and divide by the total ml of your solution.

The '750' part converts your concentrate weight into THC weight. That assumes a 75% THC potency, which is a reasonable average in my experience.

For example, if you mix 3g of concentrate into 5ml of EC, you'll have 3 X 750 (2250) / 5 ml = 450mg of THC per ml of tincture.

Unless you like burning your mouth with 190 proof alcohol, I suggesting diluting with vegetable glycerin (which THC is also soluble in). It'll make it taste less horrible.

 

[MileHighHuman]

World's easiest tincture:

Decarb some concentrate (say 30 min @ 250°) and mix into a few ml of everclear until it is practically saturated. That will be the strongest liquid carrier of THC you can make at home.

To estimate the potency (mg THC per ml), simply multiply grams of concentrate by 750 and divide by the total ml of your solution.

The '750' part converts your concentrate weight into THC weight. That assumes a 75% THC potency, which is a reasonable average in my experience.

For example, if you mix 3g of concentrate into 5ml of EC, you'll have 3 X 750 (2250) / 5 ml = 450mg of THC per ml of tincture.

Unless you like burning your mouth with 190 proof alcohol, I suggesting diluting with vegetable glycerin (which THC is also soluble in). It'll make it taste less horrible.

Im actually really really interested in this. Thank you so much for mentioning!

I have access to ever clear so this is perfect.

Do you have any other suggestions of something to mix with other than VG?

Would Powerade work? Haha

Or, ever let the ever clear evaporate and just put the leftover oil under your tongue?

 

[Bouldorado]

Im actually really really interested in this. Thank you so much for mentioning!

I have access to ever clear so this is perfect.

Do you have any other suggestions of something to mix with other than VG?

Would Powerade work? Haha

Or, ever let the ever clear evaporate and just put the leftover oil under your tongue?

No you need something that isn't water based. I guess you could use PG (propylene glycol) as well. Possibly coconut oil but I haven't tried that, so experiment at your own risk.

I'd just try the straight EC tincture first. Since you probably only need a few drops, it may or may not be too harsh.

 

[herbivore21]

See the issue for my high flower consumption is because they are not strong enough for me.

Concentrates are strong enough, but they are what cause my mucus/gag issue.

This is the reason for my over consumption of flowers.

I do not like to inhale concentrates because they trigger my issue.

But i can consume as many flowers as i want with no mucus/gag issue whatsoever. Therefore since i much prefer to inhale flowers, but they are not strong enough (this is why i consume so much of them)

Flower vaporization may not cause you to expel so much mucus as concentrates, but this does not mean that you are not producing as much mucus. It may be that volatilized plant components from flowers in the aerosol (vapor) that you are inhaling are giving the resulting mucus a more viscous quality so that it descends into the respiratory tract and is not caught and causing gagging. This does not mean that flowers are healthier for you of course. If the flowers aren't giving you enough effect and you are supplementing with alcohol, you need to try different methods of administration. Inhaling concentrates may not be the answer, but it seems that flowers are not cut out for your requirements either.

Before we abandon concentrates altogether, a few final questions/considerations:

Have you attempted to reduce or increase your dabbing temp (try both of these, you may find that increased temp reduces condensation of resin in your upper respiratory tract and mouth, which may trigger the gagging issues that you have - remember also that a lot of digestive conditions can cause problems relating to gagging/swallowing/esophegial functioning which may also explain why you experience this symptom while others do not)? I'd attempt to dab at 525f for a day, and gradually go up each day in temp until you hit 710f or so. See which temp treats you best, and then consider if this temp will be tolerable for dosing in this fashion. It may not be tolerable enough to do, as your comments seem to indicate - but we need to make sure. You need all the dosing methods you can get from the sound of it bro.

Have you tried dewaxed concentrates by the way?

You should also consider whether perhaps you might benefit from non-full-melt 2-4 star bubble hash (or even full melt), which is much more like flower than other concentrates but will be much more potent. This is something you could also consider instead of rosin. It is child's play to make a lot of non-full-melt bubble hash and when you are not chasing the full melt, you get much larger yields. You could achieve this easily (of course I'm happy to help you if you want to try it, just ask if you have any questions).

By the way, vaping 2-4 star bubble hash can in many cases taste BETTER THAN ROSIN from the same flower. I kid you not!

Also how often do you clean your dab rig, nail and change your water? How do you clean these components and do you make sure that there is absolutely no visible residue in any component of your air/vapor path? Are you especially thorough with the cleaning? It is important to be incredibly thorough with the inner path of the slim series base (and all nail bases for that matter), these can get some nasty polymerization byproducts in them if you don't clean them properly and frequently enough.

All this aside, I'd suggest looking into suppositories (I know, people prefer not to use these but in my understanding, these are the best tolerated cannabis preparations for people with incredibly high dose requirements, and are much better tolerated than other kinds of suppositories), edibles, tinctures, oral-mucosal sprays and sublinguals.

Avoid using alcohol in these, you can use vegetable oils or VG etc instead. The great news is that you'll be able to use the AVB that you no doubt have acquired over time by vaping so much flower to make all of these preparations

By all means, continue to vape some flower if you enjoy it, but it does not sound like you are getting the medical benefit that you need from the flowers which is why I am suggesting so many possible alternatives.

 

[MileHighHuman]

Flower vaporization may not cause you to expel so much mucus as concentrates, but this does not mean that you are not producing as much mucus. It may be that volatilized plant components from flowers in the aerosol (vapor) that you are inhaling are giving the resulting mucus a more viscous quality so that it descends into the respiratory tract and is not caught and causing gagging. This does not mean that flowers are healthier for you of course. If the flowers aren't giving you enough effect and you are supplementing with alcohol, you need to try different methods of administration. Inhaling concentrates may not be the answer, but it seems that flowers are not cut out for your requirements either.

Before we abandon concentrates altogether, a few final questions/considerations:

Have you attempted to reduce or increase your dabbing temp (try both of these, you may find that increased temp reduces condensation of resin in your upper respiratory tract and mouth, which may trigger the gagging issues that you have - remember also that a lot of digestive conditions can cause problems relating to gagging/swallowing/esophegial functioning which may also explain why you experience this symptom while others do not)? I'd attempt to dab at 525f for a day, and gradually go up each day in temp until you hit 710f or so. See which temp treats you best, and then consider if this temp will be tolerable for dosing in this fashion. It may not be tolerable enough to do, as your comments seem to indicate - but we need to make sure. You need all the dosing methods you can get from the sound of it bro.

Have you tried dewaxed concentrates by the way?

You should also consider whether perhaps you might benefit from non-full-melt 2-4 star bubble hash (or even full melt), which is much more like flower than other concentrates but will be much more potent. This is something you could also consider instead of rosin. It is child's play to make a lot of non-full-melt bubble hash and when you are not chasing the full melt, you get much larger yields. You could achieve this easily (of course I'm happy to help you if you want to try it, just ask if you have any questions).

By the way, vaping 2-4 star bubble hash can in many cases taste BETTER THAN ROSIN from the same flower. I kid you not!

Also how often do you clean your dab rig, nail and change your water? How do you clean these components and do you make sure that there is absolutely no visible residue in any component of your air/vapor path? Are you especially thorough with the cleaning? It is important to be incredibly thorough with the inner path of the slim series base (and all nail bases for that matter), these can get some nasty polymerization byproducts in them if you don't clean them properly and frequently enough.

All this aside, I'd suggest looking into suppositories (I know, people prefer not to use these but in my understanding, these are the best tolerated cannabis preparations for people with incredibly high dose requirements, and are much better tolerated than other kinds of suppositories), edibles, tinctures, oral-mucosal sprays and sublinguals.

Avoid using alcohol in these, you can use vegetable oils or VG etc instead. The great news is that you'll be able to use the AVB that you no doubt have acquired over time by vaping so much flower to make all of these preparations

By all means, continue to vape some flower if you enjoy it, but it does not sound like you are getting the medical benefit that you need from the flowers which is why I am suggesting so many possible alternatives.

i definitely don't want to abandon concentrates! (or even flowers to be honest) so I'm going to try my enail at 525 and see if there is any decrease in my amount of mucus (compared to the higher temp)

But im so glad you mentioned dewaxed concentrates. i really think this is what i need just from experiencing different batches of BHO in my past.

Whenever i started receiving non dewaxed BHO i started having tonsil stones. Look it up if you want, its really gross. And I'm almost positive this was all because the BHO i had started receiving wasn't winterized like the previous purchases.

Rosin has not brought back any of the tonsil stones. But it definitely has some similarities with the excess mucus. My nose starts to run lots too when consuming concentrates (even rosin) to where i have to keep a spit cup and tissues next to me. I feel sometimes my air passages way can get somewhat clogged as well.

And trust me I would love to have any star bubble hash as i have read plenty about it and how it retains more terpenes, etc. I just don't have access to starting material for cheap enough to justify extracting into hash. There also seems to be quite a bit more work compared to rosin (which id be willing to do) but like i said, only if i had access to starting material that was cheap enough.

Im pretty thourough with cleaning. ISO soak. Q tip scrubbed. And then an alconox rinse as well. Everything gets as clean as i can get it. I dont like being lazy!

Also, distilled water gets changed everyday (or 2)

I am definitely open to trying other consumption methods (suppositories or sublingual) my issues is just figuring out how to properly create these extractions. I know all it takes is some research and attempts. I just remember how much of mess i made in my kitchen last time (for unsuccessful results) which i why i always procrastinate doing it again. Lol. And then yeah I would really love to find something valuable to do with all this abv!

 

[Krazy]

I look at it, it looks like a chemical blob. Im wondering, since this is new, are their health risks? Is anyone else worried that they have been dabbing with concentrates?

It isn't actually all that new. Ummmm..... crap that's all I'v got.

Most here are more knowledgable than I in vape science and you have ruled out edibles where my mojo is potent. I am rather experienced in a number of extraction methods but not more so than others here; and not to have a solution for you in that regard.

I know some epileptics and autistics that benefit greatly from LARGE daily doses of specialty, or at least specific, strains. But they all have the edibles option. Given that your digestion time is a wild card and you need large daily doses? I would go for a baseline edible dose a few times a day and supplementing with vaping.

For potent alcohol extracts glycerine or the like is a BIG help in my experience. Especially given that you want it to stay sublingual.

 

[whitie_bear]

sorry late to the party on this one...i find mucus and heavy chest (liquid in the lungs feeling) effect occurs for me from cheaper BHO concentrates...as soon as i moved to co2 oil (solventless extraction) things got 99% better, if i go heavy again i get heavy chest but im not mucusy and the hard to breathe part is that i coated my lungs in a large amount of oil. Just my experiences, i found i would react to some BHO's, my friends more then me...but yes mucus production is normal i would assume, hell after smoking a bowl or two of flower i find i hack up a huge gob of black lung butter so ya lol

 

[whitie_bear]

sorry late to the party on this one...i find mucus and heavy chest (liquid in the lungs feeling) effect occurs for me from cheaper BHO concentrates...as soon as i moved to co2 oil (solventless extraction) things got 99% better, if i go heavy again i get heavy chest but im not mucusy and the hard to breathe part is that i coated my lungs in a large amount of oil. Just my experiences, i found i would react to some BHO's, my friends more then me...but yes mucus production is normal i would assume, hell after smoking a bowl or two of flower i find i hack up a huge gob of black lung butter so ya lol

also BHO usually isnt winterized, co2 oil i beleive you have to winterize it...basically you get rid of most of the byproducts, parafins and waxes, plant materials etc.

 

[MileHighHuman]

Flower vaporization may not cause you to expel so much mucus as concentrates, but this does not mean that you are not producing as much mucus. It may be that volatilized plant components from flowers in the aerosol (vapor) that you are inhaling are giving the resulting mucus a more viscous quality so that it descends into the respiratory tract and is not caught and causing gagging. This does not mean that flowers are healthier for you of course. If the flowers aren't giving you enough effect and you are supplementing with alcohol, you need to try different methods of administration. Inhaling concentrates may not be the answer, but it seems that flowers are not cut out for your requirements either.

Before we abandon concentrates altogether, a few final questions/considerations:

Have you attempted to reduce or increase your dabbing temp (try both of these, you may find that increased temp reduces condensation of resin in your upper respiratory tract and mouth, which may trigger the gagging issues that you have - remember also that a lot of digestive conditions can cause problems relating to gagging/swallowing/esophegial functioning which may also explain why you experience this symptom while others do not)? I'd attempt to dab at 525f for a day, and gradually go up each day in temp until you hit 710f or so. See which temp treats you best, and then consider if this temp will be tolerable for dosing in this fashion. It may not be tolerable enough to do, as your comments seem to indicate - but we need to make sure. You need all the dosing methods you can get from the sound of it bro.

Have you tried dewaxed concentrates by the way?

You should also consider whether perhaps you might benefit from non-full-melt 2-4 star bubble hash (or even full melt), which is much more like flower than other concentrates but will be much more potent. This is something you could also consider instead of rosin. It is child's play to make a lot of non-full-melt bubble hash and when you are not chasing the full melt, you get much larger yields. You could achieve this easily (of course I'm happy to help you if you want to try it, just ask if you have any questions).

By the way, vaping 2-4 star bubble hash can in many cases taste BETTER THAN ROSIN from the same flower. I kid you not!

Also how often do you clean your dab rig, nail and change your water? How do you clean these components and do you make sure that there is absolutely no visible residue in any component of your air/vapor path? Are you especially thorough with the cleaning? It is important to be incredibly thorough with the inner path of the slim series base (and all nail bases for that matter), these can get some nasty polymerization byproducts in them if you don't clean them properly and frequently enough.

All this aside, I'd suggest looking into suppositories (I know, people prefer not to use these but in my understanding, these are the best tolerated cannabis preparations for people with incredibly high dose requirements, and are much better tolerated than other kinds of suppositories), edibles, tinctures, oral-mucosal sprays and sublinguals.

Avoid using alcohol in these, you can use vegetable oils or VG etc instead. The great news is that you'll be able to use the AVB that you no doubt have acquired over time by vaping so much flower to make all of these preparations

By all means, continue to vape some flower if you enjoy it, but it does not sound like you are getting the medical benefit that you need from the flowers which is why I am suggesting so many possible alternatives.

I've done some testing and feel the lower temperature enail has helped some, but what i found helped me even more was when i did NOT inhale all of the dab. Basically saying i take one hit (even if there is more vapor to be inhaled) and then swipe/clean with qtip.

This feels a little wasteful, but its definitely worth helping my other issues.

So i think this assumption of yours earlier was correct?

"It may be that volatilized plant components from flowers in the aerosol (vapor) that you are inhaling are giving the resulting mucus a more viscous quality so that it descends into the respiratory tract and is not caught and causing gagging"

Just wanting to confirm that you are saying this means my respiratory system does not like to inhale any of the plant material