IQOS success stories please share

[Piruz]

Hi guys,

I'm one of those people who have tried vaping but to no avail and it's not just the PG/VG ratio but the nicotine itself (manufactured nicotine makes me feel sick and of course the PG). All in all the whole thing feels chemically and not only doesn't satisfy my cravings but gives me symptoms which are actually worse than withdrawal.

This is where IQOS comes in since it vaporized tobacco soaked in a bit of VG (some people say PG but PMI say it's VG). Has anyone here tried it and is it like vaping where a lot of people can at first develop allergic symptoms like that dreaded chesty feeling you can get from PG or nicotine in e-cigarettes?

 

[Farid]

I'd just get some high quality rolling tobacco like Peter Stokkebye or D&R, and vape it in a Dynavap or vapman. I suggest those 2 cause they hold a small quantity, which is necessary to avoid getting too much nicotine.

IQOS is expensive and low quality. And it's soaked in PG & VG which it sounds like you're looking to avoid.

 

[Piruz]

I want to get lots of nicotine, just not from e-juice. I'm told vaporizers don't produce as much vapor as IQOS, and are not nearly as convenient.

 

[Izan]

Hi and Welcome,

While I will echo FARID and suggest any non big tobacco alternative; you do you.

How long have you smoked and how many per day?

Did you use salt based or freebase nicotine when vaping?

What part of the world do you call home?

I want to get lots of nicotine, just not from e-juice. I'm told vaporizers don't produce as much vapor as IQOS, and are not nearly as convenient.

Well then it's only 35 quid, innit? So get one mate and report back.



Cheers
I

 

[Farid]

I want to get lots of nicotine, just not from e-juice. I'm told vaporizers don't produce as much vapor as IQOS, and are not nearly as convenient.

Vaporizers with quality strong tobacco like shag will give you lots of nicotine. Something like a PAX or Arizer will give you more nicotine than most can even handle (hence why I suggested vapes with smaller bowls).

It's true that they will not produce much as far as clouds of vapor goes, but you will get tons of nicotine even without clouds. And it sounds like the agents that produce clouds (PG/VG) may not agree with you anyways.

It's true any dry herb vape will be a little less convenient than IQOS but that's actually good for quitting/cutting back. It means all of your usage will be a bit more mindful. But if you want something convenient I'd get an Arizer air or Argo and prepack a few stems.

 

[Piruz]

Hi and Welcome,

While I will echo FARID and suggest any non big tobacco alternative; you do you.

How long have you smoked and how many per day?

Did you use salt based or freebase nicotine when vaping?

What part of the world do you call home?



Well then it's only 35 quid, innit? So get one mate and report back.



Cheers
I

I live in London and smoke Dokha tobacco like 2 grams a day (it's super strong tobacco one hit floors yah hence the small quantities).

When vaping I've tried both salt and freebase and they're both making me sick.

 

[Farid]

If you smoke dokha, the IQOS isn't going to be strong enough anyhow. I've vaped dokha, but it just doesn't vape well, and the vapor is harsher than smoke.

I would get Peter Stokkebye's Amsterdam Shag - it's a very strong rolling tobacco. Then get a dry herb vaporizer like the Arizer Solo or Air. Pack the oven fairly tight and you'll get very dense vapor that shouldn't be too harsh.

If you do try vaping dokha I'd start with a cold blend. It's way stronger than when you smoke it. But I honestly prefer smoking it.

 

[Piruz]

Thanks guys that was helpful. I have better perspective now. I use to think no clouds means no nicotine, but Farid you're saying you can actually feel a descent throat and nicotine hit even though the vapor is relatively insignificant?

If other and more available rolling tobacco works and satisfies me when vaporized, then I'm ditching Dokha for good because one it's becoming more and more expensive and two it's very difficult to find a replacement when (for some reason) they change the blend and your whole life with it!

Can you tell me more about the different kinds of vaporizers you've used with tobacco and what the difference is? I've never had a vaporizer before so total newbie here.

 

[Vapenvy]

My mate is currently using the Pax 3 to vape rolling tobacco.

He is enjoying it. It gives clouds. Not huge but definitely, and he talks about the throat hit. Plus head spins so it's working for him.

When he called a vape shop that is what they recommended for tobacco. Not cheap but it's super fast. He gets vapor after about 20 seconds, so similar to his vape pen or smoking although not as fast or convenient.

An arizer would also work but waiting a minute or so for heat up maybe not ideal. Should be a cheap intro for proof of concept though for a solo or something. Maybe one of the newer more conduction or hybrid vapes like roffu could work.

Vapcaps work too but more fiddly.

I think a bigger conduction oven is best for for tobacco for both heating/draw style and getting the loose leaf in there

Edit-another mate uses an underdog so logs work too.

 

[Piruz]

Thanks man. In the long term my eye is on the G Pen Elite 2 because of its speed, hybrid technology (I'm told hybrid is best) and maximum results (amount of vapor). For now I'm trying to find someone who might lend me a device or something just so I can try it out. If not, a cheap (or even second hand) Dynavap should help me understand the concept better.

By the way, I'm wondering if tobacco smoke (combustion) itself doesn't contain the same tobacco vapor that is produced when vaporizing tobacco? If it does, then it follows that nothing new (and therefore inconvenient) is introduced to your lungs as an ex-smoker when you switch to vaporizing, right?

 

[Farid]

G Pen is not great. I'd look into other options.

Yes, tobacco smoke contains the same exact vapor, along with tar and additional carcinogens. So nothing new per se.

 

[Piruz]

G Pen isn't so great? I thought it was one of the best and most high-end? Can you explain more, please?

And thanks for answering my question about vapor in smoke. I'd love to hear more details about that too.

Thanks again for being so helpful.

 

[Farid]

It's not good, but the company has a lot of advertising money. If you want opinions on what to buy don't trust Top 10 vape lists, trust the opinions of people on this forum.

Anything suggested here will probably be just fine - Dynavap, PAX, Arizer etc. Most of the suggestions you read are for users who use cannabis, who may have different desires from a device. I'd just be clear about what matters to you the most. Do you want something that you use for an extended period at a time, or something you'll take one drag from here or there? Is there a certain form factor you want, or a certain battery life?

If you like dokha I'd suggest a Dynavap or Vapman because they have a similar "one or two hit and done" kind of useage.

As for your other question, since a vape is basically just a heater that heats your tobacco, the heat from smoking does the same thing and thus produces the same vapor alongside the smoke. The big difference is the concentration of nicotine per volume. Vapor will have quite a bit more. Most of the information about the makeup of that vapor comes from studies published by big tobacco.

 

[Piruz]

At first I was thinking vaporizing Dokha but this product isn't as affordable or as dependable as it use to be for me in terms of flavor, harshness and the way the nicotine hits you. It's like all of a sudden the venders decided to water their product down or spend less time (and therefore money) dehydrating/curing it at least that's been the case since last year. Then again, that's when Dokha is burned, not vaporized, in case which it will behave differently anyway.

I would love to switch to full-bodied, high nicotine pipe and/or rolling tobaccos since you assure me that nicotine in vaporizing is much stronger anyway and that Dokha is too strong/harsh when vaped. I don't mind having to take, say, 7 puffs instead of 2 but I would really prefer to have a device that can do both (single hits and slightly longer sessions). Some pipe tobaccos out there are so strong (Samuel Gawith Brown 4 for example) you can feel the nicotine from the first few puffs even though you wouldn't be inhaling (I use to smoke a pipe myself) so I'm sure they can replace Dokha for me when vaporized.

Also does the vapor feel hotter in your lungs than smoke does? I know that might sound like a silly question since smoking needs higher temperatures but is the heat in vapor felt more than in smoke? I hope not.

 

[Farid]

With most vapes you won't feel the heat from the vaporizer itself but it's really model specific. Some vaporizers work by heating the air first (called convection heating) and that can be a bit hotter. I'd avoid that for tobacco.

But in general tobacco vapor can sometimes feel harsher on the throat than smoke because of the higher nicotine content. Also, with smoke most smokers smoke mouth to lung, but with vaporizers that isn't always possible. The Dynavap and PAX both can do that though, I'm thinking the PAX or similar style devices might actually be good fit since you want sessions.

If I were you I'd start with a cheap Dynavap B or M to see if you even like vapor from tobacco at all. Then if you like that consider a PAX or something that can do a longer session.

 

[Piruz]

Noted. The Dynavap B is only 39 quids over here so should be a good start.

Heating the air first (convection) makes the vapor itself hotter, or just the device/oven? It'd be a shame if it ruined the vapor because I'm told hybrid (combination of convection and conduction) was needed to produce good amounts of vapor.

 

[Farid]

There's a lot of debate, especially around "hybrid" vapes. But with a significant convection component the vapor itself will be hotter.

That said, every model discussed in this thread has a pretty insignificant convection component.

It's not true that you need convection to get big hits. For what you need with tobacco conduction will be more desirable than convection.