Introducing new FC Classifieds

[OhTheAgony]

I think it's an improvement. Just a quick /IMO about those last 3 points:

1. Yes please. With or without the 50$ limit.

2. Agree with the no bumping rule. If someone is looking for something they can check the classifieds themselves, I see no need for bumping adds. If anything changes concerning the add/item(s) the seller can just use the edit button. Also see last sentence of this post. Room for question sand answers should remain I think, I see that as one of the advantages of FC classifieds that would be a shame to loose.

3. I think the limit could be raised to a 5 add max per member. More than that seems unnecessary to me. I can imagine it could get a little annoying in the future to only see new classifieds adds on the frontpage when using the 'active topics' button as this site keeps growing, it isn't craigslist after all.

 

[Magic9]

1) Maybe not mandatory, but HIGHLY suggested to the seller. As a buyer, I would not buy without seeing. I've seen some posts w/o pics, but an offer to email them if anyone had interest. I personally would have no problem w/ mandatory pics, but someone who is more....security conscience might(?).

2) I would allow 2 bumps ONLY when item is not on page 1. Seems unnecessary to bump something still on page 1.

3) To keep it simple, just use your own discretion. Maybe an email if more than 2 are needed? Or maybe 1 active thread per 50-100 posts?


Not that it matters much to me, but since you are asking for feedback, I preferred the "darker green" closed thread. The lines through them fuck with me for some reason.

 

[darkrom]

I vote no to mandatory pics. Buyer beware and ask for pics if you need them IMO.

 

[momatik]

1) Mandatory pictures makes sense I think. If we want to protect our more naive and trusting buyers, mandatory pics isn't it's too much to ask for. Pics in every listing would make this section more uniform too.

2) Bumping isn't necessary considering the size of the classifieds section currently. Might make more sense in the future.

3) A tiered system might be needlessly complicated. I think a max of 3 listings is fair, with users getting mod approval before posting a 4th.

 

[hereatlast]

Regarding #1: I think mandatory pictures is good policy though I think you (vtac) also raise a good point re: a price minimum. While potential buyers are certainly the ones that should take responsibility in engaging in a transaction, a 'pictureless' for sale thread should immediately raise suspicions IMO. Given that FC is trying to promote a safe place to do business I think its a fair requirement. Especially in the case of damaged goods that deserve mark downs (there seems to be at least one item and I'm sure many more that fit this description featured in active "for sale" threads) a picture is really the only way to exhibit the condition of the item in question.

 

[weedemon]

1. I like pictures and think they should be required too!
2. i like the current bumping rule
3. I think maybe 3-5 threads should be allowed. What if i was having an "I'm selling all my shit today sale?" I would list it all in one thread?

 

[Bluntcrush]

I am good with the new rules and the 50/50. I have had some experience with some other forums (not vape related) with how to go about "grandfathering in" new members. I also hope to start using this thread more soon. I have a few items to get rid of...

 

[t-dub]

Rules sound good to me except for mandatory pics. It should be up to the seller to provide this opportunity. As for FC being responsible to "protect" noobs or something, I think that is a bad idea. It implies a "warranty" of some kind for people buying things on this site and that could be a problem. Yes we want this forum to be as safe as possible for all concerned but there is only so much FC can do in this regard, practically. If potential buyers want pics then they will demand them from sellers. If sellers won't comply their chances of making that sale go down. I say let the market "organically" control the level of pics.

 

[lepstadder]

1- yes mandatory pic name and date as well as the name of the website

2- i think 2 total bumps 7 days apart is adequate and not excessive, but if its broken and hard to enforce then....

3 will report back lol

 

[momatik]

t-dub,

Scamming is going to occur no matter what. It happens on forums with long waiting periods before approval. It happens on forums with tagged pics with name and date required for transactions.

It's for this reason that I think however many practical steps to reduce scamming can be taken, should be taken. And I think a majority of people who have bought and sold online wouldn't do so without a few pictures, at least. So I don't see what makes it's unreasonable to demand at least 1 tagged picture in the listing.

Incidents of theft and scamming on this forum are going to effect how safe everyone feels buying and selling on here; not just the poor sap getting scammed.

At least that's my thinking on the subject.

 

[t-dub]

Caveat emptor is a great rule of thumb when purchasing anything, let alone online from a forum. You miss my main point which is this: If FC implies that they are protecting people who purchase here THAT is what is called an "IMPLIED WARRANTY" and they could be held liable. Once again, I say, that if the buyer wants a pic then great the seller has the choice to provide one or not and the buyer can then choose whether or not to buy based on what they "see" here and how they feel about the seller etc. I agree, I wouldn't buy anything without at least a pic but to force the issue seems wrong.

Edit: I wouldn't sell anything here without posting pics either.

Edit: I suppose 1 mandatory pic might be good, just don't want FC implying that they are going to protect anyone like was mentioned earlier in this thread. If FC tries to make people feel "safe" or to "protect" them it implies 2 things. One that they know there is risk here and two, they are doing something to mitigate it to help people make a "purchase" That is where the implied warranty of merchantability may come in. Legally, I think FC could do too much to help people in this case. Also, giving people a false sense of security might be of more harm than benefit.

 

[charliedontsurf]

1. My first reaction was to disagree with this, but in retrospect, I think it's a good idea. 99% of us have access to digital cameras of some type and there are great free image hosting sites like Imgur. Maybe exceptions could be made to established members with a good reason to not post pics, like not having access to a camera.

2. Yeah, bumping by the original poster is just silly I think.

3. A 5 ad max seems good to me for established member.

 

[jambandphan03]

I am not completely on board with mandatory photos, but if that is the way most people feel, who am I to argue? I have a camera...

bump rule, I guess I am not against it, as I just used it once too many by accident. Well, what ever get decided, those are the rules.

I'm down with a few more adds for established members. 5 seems reasonable to me.

 

[blackbur]

1. Sounds pretty fair and safe.
There can be a lot of risk associated with not knowing how the unit looks before hand.
Would be also great if the user could show a video of the unit..powering up and etc, but i feel that would be possibly a little too much.
2. and 3. are great.

 

[collegerower]

1. I think photos are a good idea as a general rule. If a user dosnt have access to a camera, maybe a Mod could give permission.

2. Bumping an add with a price drop is acceptable, or if your add falls to the second page. Bumping a thread after a day or two is a bit excessive.

3. I think 5 per user is plenty. If someone wants to make more (ex: selling everything) should ask for Mod OK.

 

[propjoe]

hi. thanks for having a classified section.

1. i don't think pics should be mandatory. i just sold a MFLB PA. i didn't think a pic was necessary. all of the PA's are the same. there's a picture of it on the mflb website. so i think it should be up to the seller if they want to add pics.

2. i say do away with bumps. only things that should be added would be additional information about the item or to answer questions. or maybe when your item falls to page 2 then you can bump it once.

3. i agree with the above poster on this one.

thank you.

 

[vtac]

Took long enough, but after a lot of consideration here are the updates to the 3 changes we've been discussing:

1. Mandatory pictures
If the item/lot of items you're selling is listed at $75 or more, you must attach at least 1 picture of it which also contains a piece of paper with your fc username written on it.

I know some people don't like mandatory requirements but I think everyone can agree they'd prefer to see an item before buying it. Taking a picture is not hard and I think the $75 point is a fair compromise. If there's a legitimate reason you cannot take a picture, you can contact me and ask for permission.

2. Bump posts
You may bump your thread ONE time. Any post that is not answering a question regarding an item will be considered a bump. Posts indicating a price change and posts made to add pictures will be considered bump posts.

3. Number active threads allowed per member
You may have 4 active threads in the classifieds section. Any open thread that you started in the classifieds section will count towards this total.


These aren't things that we want to have to spend time enforcing and those that break the rules will likely get an infraction or lose the ability to participate in the classifieds section.

 

[smokum]

Geez, next there will be a $50 subscription fee to join I keed..... really It's allll good

 

[Peloton]

I'm not sure where else to put this... but it bothers me to see a FS thread with "New" or "Brand New" in the title, but I read in the listing that the vape has been used "only a few times" or whatever. Sorry, but that's not new anymore. "Almost New", "Lightly Used" or something along those lines would be a more accurate title. I understand people are just trying to market their items, but please be honest.

Modnote: Post moved to appropriate thread.