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pakalolo

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This must be the place we put campaign ads and other examples of bias. I thought it would be labeled differently.

The protesters are wearing masks. You can bet the people at the Trump rallies won't be. Case in point:

What's wrong with this picture?

The difference is entirely justified.

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Yea, and that :D
Sorry, my mistake.


In order to not double up:
The protesters are wearing masks. You can bet the people at the Trump rallies won't be. Case in point:
The difference is entirely justified.
How many pictures of the protesters not wearing masks should I post before we come to the conclusion there is no difference?

 
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pakalolo

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Sorry, my mistake.


In order to not double up:

How many pictures of the protesters not wearing masks should I post before we come to the conclusion there is no difference?

I'll overlook this, but the next post along these lines will be deleted. You are deliberately missing the point.

This is not an invitation to continue this discussion. Find something else to post about, or post in some other forum.
 

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Trump’s niece recounts “..the appalling way Donald...dismissed and derided [his father Fred Trump] when he began to succumb to Alzheimer’s.”

I agree. This election, talking about Alzheimer's should be an issue.

For one reason, the candidates' history and present presentation. For another, the lockdown may accelerate signs and symptoms of it and we may have a bump in those that need special care.
How loneliness could be changing your brain and body

Edited to add, boy the book is going to be a party with tons of interesting snark. The author (Trump's niece) really seems to hate Donald and believes he didn't help her father through his troubles and is partially responsible for his death. I hope she gets her money up front as the book will be less interesting once all the best stories get reported. But, everyone's going to listen to the stories.
Trump's niece is publishing a tell-all book that says she leaked tax documents to help The New York Times investigate the president's finances
 
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There's an app for that:
‘Hey Siri, I’m getting pulled over’ shortcut makes it easy to record police

Once you load this (free) shortcut onto your iPhone, all you need to do is say “Hey Siri, I’m getting pulled over” and it will kickstart a chain of events. It will dim your phone, pause any music being played, and start recording video from your front-facing camera. It can also send your current location and a copy of that video to an emergency contact, though you’ll need to confirm a few pop-up messages to complete these steps.
 
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Protest Tactics

In this anonymous submission, participants in the uprising in Minneapolis in response to the murder of George Floyd explore how a combination of different tactics compelled the police to abandon the Third Precinct.
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There are many examples of how things work at a protest like the ones we saw. Obviously, I can't vouch for anything written by the author. But, if not authentic from someone in leadership (while accepting there may be no such thing as "leadership" here), it certainly rings true.
 
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Climate crisis: alarm at record-breaking heatwave in Siberia

A prolonged heatwave in Siberia is “undoubtedly alarming”, climate scientists have said. The freak temperatures have been linked to wildfires, a huge oil spill and a plague of tree-eating moths.

On a global scale, the Siberian heat is helping push the world towards its hottest year on record in 2020, despite a temporary dip in carbon emissions owing to the coronavirus pandemic.
 
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The ‘Sgt. Pepper’ Song Paul McCartney Described as ‘Another Ode to Pot’
If you hoped The Beatles would keep the optimism and love songs coming on Revolver (1966), you might have felt reassured by a few song titles. With “Good Day Sunshine,” you’d rightfully expect some old-fashioned Paul McCartney optimism. And “Love You To” had to sound promising.

But there was another title toward the end that surely would have caught your eye: “Got to Get You Into My Life.” That had to be a love song, didn’t it?Well, it was, only Paul was singing about marijuana, not a living person. In fact, Paul later referred to the track as “an ode to pot.”
 

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The vice president said the good news is there's no increase in positivity rate. That's absolutely false. We're seeing a steep increase in positivity rate.
I've tried to listen to multiple clips on youtube that allege he said something like alleged in the CNN clip, but can't find it. The closest one was this:
in the first 30 seconds or so.

The data is:
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/testing-positivity

If you care, listen for yourself. The only thing that could possibly be related is in the first 30 seconds so it won't take long. Then see how the states are doing and find a story that is different from what CNN was saying. Worse still, without looking at the second link, what do you think the issue of "testing positivity" means? If you don't know, and you got worked up over the revised summary of the vice-president's quote, why?

(If anyone can find a minute or two before the clip I linked--or the whole thing--I'd appreciate it. If his remarks indicated he was taking about specific states, CNN did not just misinterpret, but outright lied about what he said. Always get the quote. Never listen to the paraphrase.)

[For those who don't want to look it up, testing positivity is important because If a positivity rate is too high, that may indicate that the state is only testing the sickest patients who seek medical attention, and is not casting a wide enough net to know how much of the virus is spreading within its communities. A low rate of positivity in testing data can be seen as a sign that a state has sufficient testing capacity for the size of their outbreak and is testing enough of its population to make informed decisions about reopening. Which U.S. states are testing enough to meet the WHO’s goal?]

Fake "Face Mask Exempt" Card
The cards are obviously fake and the majority of the information on them is not to be relied upon. But, most mandatory mask regulations have exemptions just for this reason. A store could certainly be at some risk if someone actually claimed a disability and asked for the reasonable accommodation of not wearing a mask. I'd bet the current fear would lead a court to saying not wearing a mask is unreasonable. Still, it's a risk. ADA law is pretty general.

California mandatory mask order has many people exempt from the order. One of the exemptions:
Persons with a medical condition, mental health condition, or disability that prevents wearing a face covering. This includes persons with a medical condition for whom wearing a face covering could obstruct breathing or who are unconscious, incapacitated, or otherwise unable to remove a face covering without assistance.
 
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As Cases Surge, Pence Misleads on Coronavirus Pandemic
The vice president falsely claimed that increased testing “is generating” more cases, among other exaggerations and inaccurate claims.



Vice President Mike Pence went beyond spin in the first coronavirus task force briefing in many weeks.Credit...Michael A. McCoy for The New York Times
By Linda Qiu June 26, 2020

Vice President Mike Pence defended the Trump administration’s response to the coronavirus pandemic at a news briefing on Friday and sounded notes of optimism, while acknowledging that cases were rising “precipitously” in the South.
Here’s a fact check of some of his claims.
What Was Said
“As we stand here today, all 50 states and territories across this country are opening up safely and responsibly.”
False. While most states are continuing with their reopening plans, several have paused or reversed course this week as the number of new cases nationally surged to new highs and the virus spread at worrisome rates in a number of places.
On Friday, Texas ordered its bars and rafting and tubing businesses to close, limited restaurants with dine-in service to 50 percent of indoor capacity, and generally required gatherings of at least 100 people to seek approval. Florida has also banned drinking at bars, while Maine postponed reopening indoor bar service.

Louisiana extended its Phase 2 of reopening for an additional 28 days, maintaining occupancy limits and social-distancing requirements for most businesses and houses of worship. North Carolina and Nevada also extended Phase 2, while New Mexico delayed entering it.
Idaho announced this week that it would remain in Stage 4, the last phase of its reopening plan, for at least another two weeks.

What Was Said
“We flattened the curve.”
False. This claim, while true in earlier months, is now outdated. Cases are now rising in the United States. While the seven-day average of new cases had declined and held steady from late April to May, the number began to climb in recent weeks. The United States reported 36,975 new cases on Wednesday and 41,113 new cases on Thursday — setting daily records both days.

Flattening the curve generally “refers to avoiding a collapse in the health care system, which we were able to do in March and April,” said Dr. Joshua M. Sharfstein, a professor of health policy and management at Johns Hopkins University. “What we’re seeing now is a new surge in cases and more than just cases, it’s serious illnesses.”
Dr. Sharfstein pointed to the announcement this week by the Texas Medical Center in Houston that all of its beds in its intensive care unit were occupied as a sign that “we’re in a very bad situation here in June.”

What Was Said
“As we reported early on, 34 states across the country though are experiencing a measure of stability that is a credit to all of the people of those states, and when we speak about stability, we are talking about not necessarily states where there are no new cases, but these would be states where there are either no new cases and no rising percentage or no combination of those two things.”
This is exaggerated. Data compiled by The New York Times shows that, as of Friday, the number of new cases is rising in 29 states and Guam, while it is steady in 11 and decreasing in 10 states as well as Puerto Rico and the District of Columbia.
What Was Said
“We want the American people to understand it’s almost inarguable that more testing is generating more cases. To one extent or another, the volume of new cases coming in is a reflection of a great success in expanding testing across the country.”
False. Ramped up testing alone does not account for the uptick in cases. Rather, the virus’s spread is generating more cases.
“Several communities are seeing increased cases driven by multiple factors, including increased testing, outbreaks and evidence of community transmission,” Dr. Robert R. Redfield, the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, testified to Congress this week.

If the rise in cases was solely attributable to more testing, the rate of positive test results would decrease or at least hold steady. But while the number of daily tests performed has steadily increased from under 100,000 in March to 460,000 to 640,000 this week, the positive rate had fallen from 10 to 20 percent in early March to about 4 percent in early June before climbing back up to 5 to 7 percent this week.
Increased testing in other countries has not produced the uptick in the positivity rate seen in the United States. Russia, for example, has ramped up its testing to about 300,000 a day in recent weeks from about 200,000 in May. But its positive rate has continued to hover at around 3 to 5 percent.
In states with the most severe outbreaks, that trend is starker still. Positive rates in Texas and Florida have increased to 10 to 20 percent this week from rates that were generally below 10 percent in May — a reality the Republican governors of both states have acknowledged.

“Clearly you’re seeing this, this is real,” Gov. Rick DeSantis of Florida said during a news conference on Tuesday. “Now they are testing more than they were for sure, but they’re also testing positive at a higher rate than they were before. And so that would tell you there’s probably been an escalation and transmission over the last seven to 10 days.”

Gov. Greg Abbott of Texas acknowledged the same point.
“If you look at the growth or even the decline in the number of people who were testing positive as well as the positivity rate all the way through the early part of May, Texas was moving in a very productive position,” he said on Monday. “Then around the time of Memorial Day, there was an increase, and that increase has maintained for several weeks now, necessitating that next steps be taken.”
What Was Said
“Fatalities are declining all across the country.”

This is misleading. While official death counts are most likely underreported, Mr. Pence is right that nationwide, deaths are continuing to decrease, though fatalities are rising or holding steady in several states such as Arizona, California, Florida, North Carolina and Texas.
Moreover, public health experts have urged caution that this will continue to be the case. Asked whether still declining fatalities were because of younger, healthier people contracting the disease, Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, the nation’s top infectious disease expert, told Congress this week that it was “too early to make that kind of link.”
“Deaths always lag considerably behind cases,” he said. “You might remember that at the time that New York was in their worst situation where the deaths were going up and yet the cases were starting to go down, the deaths only came down multiple weeks later.”
 
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Half truths. Best one was where they called him misleading because if you intentionally misinterpret what he clearly said, he was wrong. Besides, experts have a different magic ball about where we'll be in the future--just LOOK at how well they've predicted things so far.

This is what is going on:
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...history/why-we-evolved-to-feel-panic-anxiety/

https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/02...age-of-epidemics-often-stokes-fear-and-panic/

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/28/covid-19-turning-out-to-be-huge-hoax-perpetrated-b/

https://nypost.com/2020/06/25/getting-realistic-about-the-coronavirus-death-rate/
 
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Mod Note: Let's agree this is primarily a cannabis forum. Because discussion of politics generally de-rails whatever thread in which politics is 1st mentioned, please do not discuss politics. If you allow quotes from one side, in fairness, you have to allow quotes from the other. I know it feels wrong to not be able to express your feelings, but hardly anyone wants to watch folks bickering over politics. Keep Cannabis Forums Cool: Stop Harshing Everyone's Mellow
 
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