Interested in a Purple Days, but want to know how it is for groups.

[Cdel]

I generally smoke with 3 or 4 other guys and I just want to know what the recharge is like on this thing. Also, if the recharge is good, is it easy enough to refill that everyone would be satisfied? If this isn't a good enough group vape, what would you recommend that's still pretty discreet.

Thanks

 

[Pitzpon]

hey Cdel, welcome to FC,
i own a PD but have never used it in groups, how ever i can tell you that it heats up pretty slowly, and i have read from other users and i think even tom wrote that it is best fit for up to 2 people (tom please correct me if im wrong)
with that said, i would still recommend that you buy it if you can, one of the best most efficiant vaps you could find, at its current price its a steal.

for group sessions i would definetly recomend the SSV, or his littel bro DB, fast heat up time, no cool off time, and if you somhow manage to get it cooler, you know you gotta set the temp a bit higher, taste wise it is one of the best.

 

[Beezleb]

Also the pd would need a lot of reloads with a group. I concur with the recommendation for the SSV and Da Buddha.

 

[Purple-Days]

Yep, I see it as a two person unit. And agree with Pitz, for a group it is gonna be hard to top the SSV.

 

[eLiguL]

Personally I find bag vapes best for groups, especially big groups of people who dont know how to use a vaporizer. Just hand them the bag and say inhale.

Bag vapes:

Volcano
Herbalaire
Extreme

I find when I use the whip with people arent accustomed to vaporizers, they waste your weed. They automatically assume its time to change the bowl because the weed doesnt taste as good/strong. I try telling them its done when you no longer see vapor coming out but they want those tasty, thick first hits.

 

[Cdel]

Thanks for the advice guys. I understand what you're saying, eLiguL, but I don't smoke with big enough groups for it to be an issue. If 4 of my friends won't listen, I won't let them use it. Would da buddha work for a group as well? I've read that the bowl is small and good for only 3-4 hits.

 

[vaporcloud]

Firstly the PD might take 30-40 minutes to heat up but once its up to temp it never needs to recharge as you put it Cdel. You could have all the 3 tubes ready and loaded sp everyone gets a fresh tube each, they all get nice tasty hits and there is no waste. I would say with the time it takes to fill a bag you could hit a PD tube or 2. There is no chasing the non tsaty bowl for someone with a PD.

I find when I use the whip with people arent accustomed to vaporizers, they waste your weed. They automatically assume its time to change the bowl because the weed doesnt taste as good/strong

And this is avoided when using the PD coz everyone gets to hits a fresh tube.

I'm not trying to push the PD as a group vap but in certain situations it works fine. I have had sessions with 3 poeple and the PD was great. And with a whip vap I tend want to do a whole bowl myself anyway so the next person has to wait while I chug back 3 or 4 hits.

Just thought I'd throw that out there - don't discount the PD straight away.

 

[max]

cdel, I think you need to decide what your priorities are and go from there. The 7th Floor vapes (SSV & DBV) are bigger hitters, less mobile, and less stealthy. Judging from comments from others using the DBV in a group, it can be more of a problem than the PD, since people can easily jerk loose the ground glass connection while passing the whip. Any vape takes some care and has a learning curve. Bags are easiest to use, since the vape does all the work and you just suck the vapor from the bag-hard or easy-doesn't matter.

If 4 of my friends won't listen, I won't let them use it.

I think that's a good philosophy.

Would da buddha work for a group as well? I've read that the bowl is small and good for only 3-4 hits.

Don't fall into the trap of counting hits. How big is a hit? My hits are maybe three times as big/long as the ones my wife takes, but I can hold my big ones easier than she can hold her smaller ones. And someone else will consider my hits to be medium to small (especially those who like big bong hits). Most vapes reload quick and easy, so bowl size is usually no big deal. I do have a problem with two piece whips you have to unscrew for reloading, but others like them.

I suggest making note of some vapes that we like here, and then going to youtube to see some of them in action. That'll give you a better idea of the different models and how they're used.

 

[Beezleb]

The bowl on Da Buddha is large or small depending on how much you want to put in. You can see the size of the bowl by checking out any wand for the Da Buddha.

The hour glass part is the bowl area but you can add more too if you want. Its a good size. Small or large depending on how much you want to do. I think it could do 4 fine.

 

[stonemonkey55]

I know that Tom said that the PD is good for two people, but I've had sessions with up to 4 peeps and it worked like a champ!

The whip based hoses are good for groups that know what they are doing but I have seen the hose yanked out so many times, I'd be rich if I had a penny each time I saw the herb fly out of the machine and the look of panic on everyones faces. The evolutions was pretty good cause they had a silicon seal that would hold the whip in place.

The best thing to do for group vaping is to teach everyone how to use the vapes and get them accustomed to it. I had long been the vapor caddy and was surprised that some of my friends didn't know how to operate the units without my assistance and this is after years of vaping with me...LOL

 

[Auralis]

The whip based hoses are good for groups that know what they are doing but I have seen the hose yanked out so many times, I'd be rich if I had a penny each time I saw the herb fly out of the machine and the look of panic on everyones faces. The evolutions was pretty good cause they had a silicon seal that would hold the whip in place.

I believe the SSV addresses this very nicely. Either you use the hands-free mod, which seems to block accidental "hose yanking", or you use it with both hands, in which case even a newbie user would at least have his hand on the whip and not be able to pull it out.

Of course, on a GG hands-free model like the VaporWarez or Da Buddha this is likely to happen and like you, I've seen it countless times.

 

[vaporcloud]

I have to admit I never had any issues with newbies and my box vape (which uses a whip like the SSV and DBV etc).

Admittidly most of my friends are ancient like me (40+) and I just tell them to draw steady and slowly and thats usually enough. Most are astonished with the smoothness and size of the hits. I'd even go as far to say I'd rather get newbies to hit my box vape before the PD because of the less restricted air flow and bigger hits. Most of my smoker buddies are bongers or pipe smokers. None of my mates smoke joints.

 

[SpiralArchitect]

I haven't read everyones responses, but I find the PD to be fine in groups of up to 3, maybe 4.

Just order extra tubes, grind up a pile of weed and let people at it. It is a very leisurely experience, each person can load as much/little as they like, and their are no sharing of germs, not to mention each person having their individual bowl can not only speed up getting acquainted with the device, but also keeping the rotation going.

Other than a PD, I might recommend the SSV/DBV or VaporWarez if your on a budget.

 

[partially veiled]

Just order extra tubes, grind up a pile of weed and let people at it...

If I could only pull the picture this quote generates in my mind OUT and show it to you...oh dear. I already feel like a coke addict when I'm sucking up those tubes of the goodly green; I think it would be downright hilarious to watch a group of people pulling "rails" of herb from a big mountain of the stuff, perhaps piled on a mirrored surface ()? Tee-hee. Would it then degrade into an orgy of potato chips, Simpsons episodes and even more PD sucking?? Haha seriously Spiral, you have no idea the avalanche of debauchery (or geekery--whichever way you'd like to look at it) you've set off in my mind.

That being said, I do agree...with Tom. This vaporizer is most conveniently used by one or two people. I'm not saying it CAN'T be shared by more than two people, and in fact I have done so successfully (as have others here, clearly)...so it's not impossible. Yet perhaps you should take logistics into mind. How much do you, personally, and your friends by extension, generally need to vape/smoke to "get there". If you're dealing with sub-par herb or outrageous tolerances, then sharing the PD is really not that feasible beyond a two person "passing it back and forth" technique. If you have righteous bud where a PD bowl or two gets you there, then it's totally feasible...if you're farked (to clip a phrase from VC ) after hit one then who cares where that little bitch gets off to next!!! But if you're like me and you know you'll just be jonesing to get that beauty back INTO your grubby hands to then keep on sucking out some sweet vapor...well...lets just say it becomes a moral crisis when a man who shares his weed freely cannot share his vaporizer in the same way. Thats just my position. It's not impossible to share, but the logistics of the machine do make it very limited in this regard and if you've got an inner hog (like I do) and know you won't be happy until you're as bombed as you can be, well then it may be a aganozing wait watching the room pass around your precious PD, ever anxious for the brief moment when it lands back in your lap.

The underlying message here for you Cdel is while this vaporizer may not be ideal for group situations, it also may be just that...it is really going to depend on your more specific needs rather than just the ability "to be used in a group setting". What does this group look like and what are their consumption habits? That really ought to have a lot to do with the decision making.

 

[Cdel]

What do you guys think of the vapor warez for groups? What do you think of it in general? Haven't seen many reviews for it on here.

 

[partially veiled]

Dig a little deeper. I know for sure Spiral has talked about the VW here, as he rocks one his mean self. Or just wait for him to respond to your question, but either way...the truth is out there

 

[Cdel]

I guess I don't really understand what the issue would be even using the PD in huge groups. Regardless of whether a whip or a wooden canister is being passed, everyone won't be able to hit at the same time. Are you guys just saying whip type vapes would be better because they have a stronger vapor to air ratio? Is it because it's easier to pass around a whip than a cannister? I don't really care about minor inconveniences, I just want to know if everyone will get medicated in under 15 or so minutes.

 

[SpiralArchitect]

The VaporWarez is great! in fact I have a video review I have made that is currently uploading to YouTube. This is my 2nd attempt so hopefully it works. *crosses fingers* it failed last time

To be honest, other than Vicki, who doesn't seem to post that often, I think I am the only VW owner... if anyone else is, please speak up, I feel lonely.


edit// The reason people think the PD isn't a good group vape is because well... it isn't really. It's meant to get stoned, yes, but it's not something that can be utilized quickly in large groups.

With a glass-wand vaporizer, you can take massive puffs, at higher tempatures, even run the tubing through a waterpipe or similiar contraption, not to mention you load a substantially larger amount, resulting in more hits, less reloading, and thus, everyone is higher, quicker.

 

[Hennessy1414]

holy hell the PD rules for group sessions. If most everyone one is down (5-6 kids in a group) then it goes pretty smoothly, epically if most everyone matches down on some herb. Stems constantly getting loaded and ripped to gifted domez around the circle.....its awesome seeing the PD get worked like that getting my joys out of it. seeing the FAT piles of bud when you grind it up...GOD DAMN! even a .7 or gram of ground up dub loads quite a few bowls.

PD revolution

 

[eLiguL]

The whip based hoses are good for groups that know what they are doing but I have seen the hose yanked out so many times, I'd be rich if I had a penny each time I saw the herb fly out of the machine and the look of panic on everyones faces.

I can attest to this as well .

 

[Volcano South]

The Easy Valve model of the Volcano is particularly versatile for groups.

You can fill one bag after the other because each bag has it's own valve piece and mouth piece. The easy valve kit comes with 5 premade bags, so in theory you could fill up all 5 in sequence.

Pass everyone a bag and let the memories develop. I really need to get some 3' milky vapor bag shots. You guys would smile ear to ear.

 

[partially veiled]

I really need to get some 3' milky vapor bag shots.

Oh yes, that you DO need to do VS.

You guys would smile ear to ear.

And then smile we shall. After a little bit of thought I do tend to agree with this view VS, which was espoused earlier as well: bags are obviously a sound way to medicate a group. Very practical, and as has been mentioned there is virtually no learning curve. I do still stand by my question though, Cdel. I think it is more important to identify the specific needs of the group you have in mind than just to ask "what works best for a group?" There are many different dynamics which could change the needs of a group, not least among them experience with the herb and acceptance to concept of vapor (which, believe it or not, not everyone is open to at this moment).

The PD may be enough for a small group, if you've got good herb and low tolerances, but otherwise you just can't go through enough herb fast enough (and indeed the whole point of the PD to me is to SAVOR every last drop of the herb) to make it practical. A bag is probably less convenient for one person (and many people--VS included--may dispute with me here...and chances are they actually know what they're talking about, as I don't own a bag unit anymore, and hated the only one I've owned), but for a group it seems to be the perfect solution. You still deal with the diminishing returns, stale vapor etc., but you really can't argue with the convenience of a bag full of vapor you can pass among buddies as freely as a joint. That's what group sessioning is all about, to me...the communal aspect of the deed, and not crowding around one single unit waiting to take your turns sucking of its silicone tendril. Not that I don't love sucking on those silicone tendrils. This is actually how I still justify smoking joints when I get together with friends to smoke (we only smoke on average once a month now...together I mean...getting older, don't you know).

Anyway, I just don't see this as being a simple answer. It's not a simple question, there are dynamics you need to consider before you attempt an answer. That's my point.

 

[Hennessy1414]

I really need to get some 3' milky vapor bag shots.

Oh yes, that you DO need to do VS.

You guys would smile ear to ear.

And then smile we shall. After a little bit of thought I do tend to agree with this view VS, which was espoused earlier as well: bags are obviously a sound way to medicate a group. Very practical, and as has been mentioned there is virtually no learning curve. I do still stand by my question though, Cdel. I think it is more important to identify the specific needs of the group you have in mind than just to ask "what works best for a group?" There are many different dynamics which could change the needs of a group, not least among them experience with the herb and acceptance to concept of vapor (which, believe it or not, not everyone is open to at this moment).

The PD may be enough for a small group, if you've got good herb and low tolerances, but otherwise you just can't go through enough herb fast enough (and indeed the whole point of the PD to me is to SAVOR every last drop of the herb) to make it practical. A bag is probably less convenient for one person (and many people--VS included--may dispute with me here...and chances are they actually know what they're talking about, as I don't own a bag unit anymore, and hated the only one I've owned), but for a group it seems to be the perfect solution. You still deal with the diminishing returns, stale vapor etc., but you really can't argue with the convenience of a bag full of vapor you can pass among buddies as freely as a joint. That's what group sessioning is all about, to me...the communal aspect of the deed, and not crowding around one single unit waiting to take your turns sucking of its silicone tendril. Not that I don't love sucking on those silicone tendrils. This is actually how I still justify smoking joints when I get together with friends to smoke (we only smoke on average once a month now...together I mean...getting older, don't you know).

Anyway, I just don't see this as being a simple answer. It's not a simple question, there are dynamics you need to consider before you attempt an answer. That's my point.

damn all of you talk always gets really deep and answers itself in the last two-three sentances...pretty insightful thinking there^^^

 

[Pitzpon]

i agree that it all depends on your exact needs.

PD - well it is what it is.
SSV/DB - fast heat up,stays hot,preforms great but has a learning curve.
extreme / volcano - good heat up time (for the volcano at least, about the same as my ssv), no learning curve, multi bags and continues use (blow and pass around, repeat) taste is not as good as the other options - this would be more suitable for larger groups i think (5+) and for people that need exact dosages.

i would say that you actually cant really go wrong with any of the above options.