Indicas are not knocking me out. Do you have to smoke slot to get all effects?

[Mookie0608]

I have been using pineapple shock, and purple urkel, and neither knock me out. I may yawn and what not but it’s not like I’m being forced to sleep unless couch lock, and knocking you out are exaggerated with indicas.

There both also more of a head high then a body high. Do you have to smoke/vape so much of them to get more of a body effect and to be able to stay asleep with them knocking you out? I may get a little tired after using both of them, but it don’t make me sleep I can easily stay up. Even when I over do it it still feels like more of a head high. The numbness and tingling feeling that’s heavy in my head and brain are kind of nice. Goes down a little just to a little in my neck and top part of chest. I get a few tingles in my lower body but not much. I’m assuming that is the body high. It would be nice if I can get the bulk of the feeling in my body and less in my head. More like full pain relief and full most of the effects in my legs etc and just feel drowsy in my head to actually make me sleep.

Is it a bad thing to mix with high cbd such as acdc? I tried mixing it with purple urkel last night, and was really no high.To my understanding purple urkel is a “strong full body pain relief high, and is a heavy sedating Indica”. All the strains I tried so far just seem like the body highs or effects are always weaker then the head high.

I also have blueberry kush but I’m shake. I think I’m not sure. Dispensary menu says blueberry yet their paper work on all their strains say blue berry kush. Also have purple Romulan and Blackwater. All are much higher thc content though and I was just trying to slowly work my way into thc going from lowest thc content to highest. I learned that I need to go slow especially with new strains. Unless I want the thc hit me like a freight train. I hate when it does that.

 

[CurryLeafTreehugger]

You know I just get whatever's cheap at the dispensary that day. I've had Blue Dream, White Widow, Gumbo, Bio Diesel, Durban Poison, and heaven knows what else. The VAST majority is "shake". It ALL helps me sleep. Some of it has actually helped me lose weight, LOL!

I vape IN bed when I want to sleep. Lights off. I keep my vape stuff in a great big metal cookie tin so there's no danger of fire. There's a piano light clipped to the side of the tin in case I need light for some reason so I don't have to rouse myself much to turn it on. (I use an Underdog Log vape which can safely be left on 24/7 and doesn't get too hot).

The genetics of all modern strains is so mixed now that talking about sativa vs indica is just not meaningful. People have different reactions to strains, and specific strains vary wildly from grower to grower, and even for the same grower, from grow to grow. So take all those "strain characteristics" with a heapin' helpin' of salt (not just a grain, LOL!)

I'd look to environmental conditions that may be blocking you from being able to sleep.

 

[Mookie0608]

As far as the sleep goes it’s bad nights with pain that keeps me up an example would be rain. If it’s going to rain I’ll know hours in advance I can feel the pain. That’s the arthritis. Or the winter but humidifier fixed that. As far as trying different strains I have not really tried any sativas. Sour og wired me up like I’m in coke or a very intense sugar high and energy. Other then that may have been just a few cbd sativas all of witch that keep me up too. Even a handful of the indicas kept me up that were like are very close to hybrids. Pineapple shock is hit or miss with the calming relaxing weak sedating feeling. Relaxes me to a point it feels good laying down but not strong enough. I feel a little sleepy after it. But not to the point I can sleep.

 

[EverythingsHazy]

You know I just get whatever's cheap at the dispensary that day. I've had Blue Dream, White Widow, Gumbo, Bio Diesel, Durban Poison, and heaven knows what else. The VAST majority is "shake". It ALL helps me sleep. Some of it has actually helped me lose weight, LOL!

I vape IN bed when I want to sleep. Lights off. I keep my vape stuff in a great big metal cookie tin so there's no danger of fire. There's a piano light clipped to the side of the tin in case I need light for some reason so I don't have to rouse myself much to turn it on. (I use an Underdog Log vape which can safely be left on 24/7 and doesn't get too hot).

The genetics of all modern strains is so mixed now that talking about sativa vs indica is just not meaningful. People have different reactions to strains, and specific strains vary wildly from grower to grower, and even for the same grower, from grow to grow. So take all those "strain characteristics" with a heapin' helpin' of salt (not just a grain, LOL!)

I'd look to environmental conditions that may be blocking you from being able to sleep.

Strain name is next to useless for now, for a few reasons:
1. The strains are rarely stabilized to the point of uniform phenotypes. Offspring in early generations can be vastly different from each other.
2. People even give the same names to strains with different parents. This is ridiculous. You most definitely should NOT have two plants from different parents, called the same thing. They’re not even siblings. That’s crazy.

At the moment, I would only rely on clones, or inbred lines that are around F7. Otherwise you’re guessing with the outcomes.


As for sleeping, you might want to try some different sleeping habits.

-Cutting out blue light from electronic screens an hour before sleep

-Only using your bed for sleep and sex, not for tv or reading, etc..

-Take a cold shower before sleep (or a contrast shower, which is my favorite type). They cool your body down, which helps you sleep.

-Keep your room at around 68F

-Cut out caffeine for several hours prior to sleep

 

[Mookie0608]

I don’t even do half of that. My issue with sleeping is strictly pain related. Pain gets so bad it keeps me awake. It’s nothing else with my room. I’ll even turn my fish tank night light on as it’s relaxing watching them but still don’t change the fact that if the pain is there and bad enough I won’t sleep.

 

[EverythingsHazy]

I don’t even do half of that. My issue with sleeping is strictly pain related. Pain gets so bad it keeps me awake. It’s nothing else with my room. I’ll even turn my fish tank night light on as it’s relaxing watching them but still don’t change the fact that if the pain is there and bad enough I won’t sleep.

You've already identified the problem with your sleep as having pain. Have you identified the cause of the pain?

 

[invertedisdead]

What vaporizer are you using?

 

[GreenHopper]

I always found edibles to hit my body harder than just vaping.

AVB based edibles in my experience have been very body buzzy rather than head buzzy.

 

[looney2nz]

I don’t even do half of that. My issue with sleeping is strictly pain related. Pain gets so bad it keeps me awake. It’s nothing else with my room. I’ll even turn my fish tank night light on as it’s relaxing watching them but still don’t change the fact that if the pain is there and bad enough I won’t sleep.

As someone noted higher up in the thread (inverted?), vaping is all fine and well, but as a chronic pain patient, I only use vaping for breakthrough pain (it only works on me for 20-30 minutes), and all else pretty falls into the 'medibles' category. those buy me 3-4 hours (and previously worked for 6+ hours).
To get to a therapeutic dose, you'll either eat 2-3 brownies/candy bars, etc. or you're make your own and pack 1 dose into the size of a small cube of cheese.

That said, someone else also noted the instability of phenotypes and boy is THAT on the money.

There are also 'strains' that people respond to paradoxically, Trainwreck always worked well on my pain, and I could relax on it somewhat.

Are you mixing any CBD into your stuff?

 

[Mookie0608]

Pax 3. I tried edibles Omce I thought I died. Even trying again s much smaller dose is not really something I would be thrilled about. Especially considering the high is like 10 x more intense. The head high was full on hallucinations like taken any actual psychedelic drug. I’m actually going to try a topical to see if it helps more. I’m content with 2 hours of relief. Up to 6 sounds great, but not at the cost of going through what I did before. If I try anything it will be the lozenges. To my understanding I think the standard dosing is comparable to To one of the pain medications I used to take. Plus the one guy that works at the dispensary I know said they would be easier then an edible as far as getting a low enough dose to not over do it again. Still though thought I would be better of continuing to vape until I have such a high tolerance I get the medical effects and not head high. I remember both times of really getting that high. Smoking one time time went by so slow and everything felt like a hazy dream with strong audio hallucinations. The time I had a an edible was so much worse audio and visual hallucinations time went by even slower. The first hour felt like 24 hours, and I thought I was on some kind of actual drug. I can try a high cbd strain, and the only one I will probably be fine on is acdc in edible form.

 

[invertedisdead]

Have you tried any other vaporizer? I'm not a huge fan of portable herb vapes as they tend to lack the punch some other devices can provide. I would be vaping at max temperature for pain to try and unlock those higher boiling point cannabinoids like THCV and CBN

 

[Mookie0608]

Firefly 2 and mighty. I only vape at 420 but it’s also the highest temp. Any less then that relief is not as good and I’m not as relaxed. I may get a volcano eventually at some point, but still probably a long ways away. To damn big to keep carrying outside. Plus not really thrilled about a big bag. It’s only me, and I’m not looking to have that big bag sitting around. But I also though that one u bit like 450 you might as well just smoke. I’m terms of health smoking would be the same as vaping wouldn’t it if your st the “ combustion” point?

 

[CurryLeafTreehugger]

I'm sorry, but you didn't mention pain in your original post. That's a different issue from just sleeping. Sleeping through PAIN is harder. As others have asked, what's the source of the pain? We will try to help if we can. Pain management is a lot trickier though. I know some people who say they are helped with pain by high CBD strains but for me, personally I have had absolutely no benefit from CBD strains. High THC strains help me more. YMMV.

However it is my understanding that CBD counteracts the effects of THC so ... if you mix high CBD with THC you're pretty much just wasting the THC.

I would strongly suggest a log vape. Check out the HI or the Underdog. I had a Firefly, it sucked. I tried the Mighty or the Plenty, whichever one looks like a power tool, that didn't work for me either. Then someone gave me an Underdog log vape and boy was that an eye opener! Or closer, in my case, given it helps me so much with my sleep.

 

[Mookie0608]

I was born with club feet, and dystal arthrogryposys from the knees down and fused ankles. To keep it short I had dozens of surgeries. I turned to medical marijuana because my ex governor is a ignorant moron. No body can prescribe the type of pain meds I need anymore. I don’t want to sound like a cry baby, but I have plenty of days just getting out of bed is a struggle I do it but I’m also in alot of pain, and usually walk very slow. I’m still hoping some day I’ll fimd a strain that gives a opioid like feeling and relief. If I find a strain comparable to dilauted I’ll be in heaven.

 

[CurryLeafTreehugger]

Another reason why strains are so variable:

http://www.ibtimes.com/marijuana-trademarks-product-owners-struggle-federal-trademarks-1697769

 

[Mookie0608]

I’m going to have to look into that. Actually to be honest I my firefly 2, and mighty are practically brand new. Each used just one time. I would sell them if I could.

 

[Squiby]

I grew a high CBC strain called Remedy a few years ago. I had been very ill from a rare pancreatic condition and was in incredible pain for 28 months. The Dilaudid prescriptions were handed out to me like candy every time I was released from the hospital. I was hospitalized for about a week every month with a week of IV Dilaudid.

I did not want to constantly be on Dilaudid even though it helped the pain and often knocked me out. So I kept trying different strains. Well, it was Remedy that allowed me to reduce the Dilaudid and eventually stop taking it. Remedy reduced the pain to a tolerable level, stopped my nausea and helped me to sleep. It was a miracle. I never felt totally stoned out from it but it took care of my symptoms like a champ.

It's interesting because it's not a high THC strain. Not a heavy hitter at all if you're vaping for a recreational high. But when you're hurting it rises to the challenge.

If you can find it, it's worth a try.

 

[CurryLeafTreehugger]

I’m going to have to look into that. Actually to be honest I my firefly 2, and mighty are practically brand new. Each used just one time. I would sell them if I could.

You can. This thread.

So they're not working for you? They didn't work for me (though I admit I had a FF 1 not the FF 2).

I like the glass stems with the Underdog. The HI usually has a waiting list but he often has bamboo vapes for super cheap. I think under $100. E-mail him and ask. The HI guy has what he calls "roasting tubes" that look like they'd be easier for me to deal with since I THINK the screen goes into those flat, but I am not sure about that yet - I've posted a question about that.

The HI usually has a waiting list but he often has bamboo vapes for super cheap. I think under $100. E-mail him and ask.

Hi log vapes.

The Underdog makers recently moved and don't have their shop set up yet so selection is limited and they're not doing any custom models. Contact them to ask about availability but they may be going to a waiting list soon as well.

Underdog log vapes.

There are other models but those are the 2 I'm familiar with.

Get a VVPS - variable voltage power supply. Underdog vapes come with one, and I think you can buy one from the HI guy when you order your vape. It gives you complete control over temp. Not marked in degrees, but just adjust the voltage up for hotter and down for cooler. Consider using it with a cheap bubbler. The models most often recommended are the D020, the D020-D From sunshinestore:

https://www.dhgate.com/product/d020-d-9-inches-bubbler-glass-bong-water/244202146.html

https://www.dhgate.com/store/product/d020-bubbler-hand-blown-glass-vase-perc-water/175832535.html

And the GB-187, of which there are 4 different versions, from YinMing5. I've got a post about them here. I have no idea what the differences are between the 4 (other than price) and 2 of them may actually be the same (#3 and #4 in the post). I think I'll be going for one of those to use with my log vape.

I'm not a sophisticated weed user. I even had a little trouble with the log vapes at first, but I picked up on how to use it pretty quickly. I had used the FF 1 for several months before I gave up on it. I was actually approved to return it for being a lemon but my health dropped and BOTH my computers went down so didn't get around to it. The log vapes I've used are just way better and easier to use, though not really portable. Some people do get car adapters for them but frankly I think vaping in your car is just WRONG. Driving high is not ok. I'm medicating and I do that at home. YMMV.

As for getting an opioid effect, other than the poster directly above me, no one I know who medicates for pain gets an opioid effect, but the effect we DO get makes the pain bearable or at least cuts way down on the need for opioids. Possibly combining your MMJ with other pain killers that you CAN still get will also help. And actually I'm not sure the guy above is getting an "opioid effect" per se. The problem is that most of us have very limited access to particular strains. I don't know what state you are in, but in my state, if you can document the need for a particular strain, they will let you grow your own. Getting stock may be a problem but if you can find it maybe that's an option for you with that Remedy strain.

 

[CurryLeafTreehugger]

BTW, what is "smoking slot"?

 

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Something that hasn't been mentioned is harvest time, and it makes a big difference on effects. If you harvest a couch-lock indica early, you'll get a head high.

Fortunately, it's pretty easy to tell if cannabis was harvested late. Just bring an inexpensive, hand held microscope with you to the dispensary and examine your buds before purchase. You're looking for amber colored trichomes. As the flowers mature, the trichomes go from clear to white to amber. You want most of them to be amber.

You'll also be able to see any mold, and generally get a better idea of the quality of what you're purchasing.

 

[looney2nz]

Pax 3. I tried edibles Omce I thought I died. Even trying again s much smaller dose is not really something I would be thrilled about. Especially considering the high is like 10 x more intense. The head high was full on hallucinations like taken any actual psychedelic drug. I’m actually going to try a topical to see if it helps more. I’m content with 2 hours of relief. Up to 6 sounds great, but not at the cost of going through what I did before. If I try anything it will be the lozenges. To my understanding I think the standard dosing is comparable to To one of the pain medications I used to take. Plus the one guy that works at the dispensary I know said they would be easier then an edible as far as getting a low enough dose to not over do it again. Still though thought I would be better of continuing to vape until I have such a high tolerance I get the medical effects and not head high. I remember both times of really getting that high. Smoking one time time went by so slow and everything felt like a hazy dream with strong audio hallucinations. The time I had a an edible was so much worse audio and visual hallucinations time went by even slower. The first hour felt like 24 hours, and I thought I was on some kind of actual drug. I can try a high cbd strain, and the only one I will probably be fine on is acdc in edible form.

AC/DC should work great (around a 20:1 ratio last time I found a nice clean organic grow), Cannatonic is also great and closer to a 4:1 (CBD:THC) ratio.
Numbers will vary somewhat for each strain as the phenotype they throw are unstable.
Neither should cause you any distress. The CBD will modulate the THC.

What kind of edible did you eat and what dose was it???

All kinds of CBD edibles out there these days! You'll have to determine what dose of CBD works for you.

 

[CurryLeafTreehugger]

Something that hasn't been mentioned is harvest time, and it makes a big difference on effects. If you harvest a couch-lock indica early, you'll get a head high.

Fortunately, it's pretty easy to tell if cannabis was harvested late. Just bring an inexpensive, hand held microscope with you to the dispensary and examine your buds before purchase. You're looking for amber colored trichomes. As the flowers mature, the trichomes go from clear to white to amber. You want most of them to be amber.

You'll also be able to see any mold, and generally get a better idea of the quality of what you're purchasing.

You can't do that in my state. Everything is pre-packaged - and SUPER dry. I suspect a lot of people are still buying blackmarket if they want dank weed.

 

[Squiby]

I'm not sure the guy above is getting an "opioid effect" per se

I'm not a guy and I wouldn't say Remedy gave me an opioid high. Rather it was able to bring pain down enough to tolerable levels and that enabled me to cut down on the dilaudid and eventually stop it all together as I recovered. I tried a LOT of strains. Maybe 50 or more, both home grown and dispensary bud, but only Remedy helped me in this way to this degree. Some of the others were somewhat helpful but the home grown Remedy stood out in a big way.

In the hospital they were quite generous with the IV dilaudid. After a few days on it, I always asked them to reduce the dose a bit to see if I could make through with less. Though reluctant, because the IV doses come prepackaged and apparently the rest would be wasted, some of the time they agreed and would offer the remaining amount if relief was not imminent. I think this strategy along with supplementing with various strains and then discovering the magic one was what helped me avoid the Rabbit Hole.

 

[Mookie0608]

As far as the vaporizers go no I just don’t need that many. That’s why I said I would sell. Batteries suck in both though. Or I think it was the fire fly 2 the glass was nice, but battery sucked, and the mighty well I’m not patient enough to wait 5 minutes to heat up. And then another 15-20 before it cools was worried about it starting a fire. I get paranoid with stuff like that even keeping things plugged in. Probably how I get some experiences where the highs can get out of control, and seek worse then what they actually are.

As far as checking the weed out at dispensaries I certainly will try, but I know ya all ore packaged, and sealed in clear containers or a clear zip lock kind of bag. Usually you gotta pay then you get the weed. At least they saw for safety and to follow the laws your not allowed to open your containers in the dispensary or smoke on grounds. You have to leave before you can open so all you have is just looking through the container.

That one strai. Someone mentioned sounds like it could be interesting to try u fortunately I’m in New Jersey and not mainly my options.

I have tried acdc and it does not help with pain what so ever unless I need to co dime a large amount of it. It’s like many of the others I tried. Say on a scale from 1-10 if I’m at a 7-8 it will bring me down to a 5-6 maybe 4 if I’m lucky.

I’m also trying to get full pain relief. The intense buzzing/tingling that goes on in my head feels like that would be perfect if it was in my legs because it feels kind of numbing. Now one area I ran into an issue is I will use harlequin as an example of a cbd strain. It’s great. It will make the pain manageable, but providing the fact that I’m gonna to stay in bed all day or do minimal walking. When I get a strain that makes pain tolerable I’m fine. Say though if I wanted to take a hike or go skiing that it’s useless. The pain will flare up so bad I get a heavy limp and often times will tear up not to sound like a little kid but the pin does get that bad. I understand some people have mixed feelings about opioids. I for one am against any beliefs some may have and I do not agree with or believe their is an opioid crisis and I believe it’s a choice to stick a needle in your arm. Pain killers have worked well for me I never got addicted never got high, and as far as the “addiction, and dependency” thin goes I have a lot of Friends sad to say started using heroin, but the one thing they all had in common they all became junkies long before they took an opioid, and the ones that did not a used them and took 10 x the normal dosage. So I for one don’t believe their is an epedimic as they say there is. Yes there’s a problem but it’s with prescriptions drugs in a whole that I believe not just opioids. I been on them my whole life, but I also know problems can arise if you take them in an abusive way. Some of my friends tried blaming pain killers for them using heroin to get people to feel bad for them but in the end it didn’t change the fact that most people I New that did heroin or got on an opioid were also doing lsd long before then touched heroin, and just turned to it because it’s dirt cheap. Even had friends that stopped smoking weed just to start heroin for the only reason of a much more cost effective high. Sounds stupid but it’s true. As long as I have been on pain killers I have never acted out violently, never got high, used them for their purpose. 10-20 mg was plenty. Everyone I know that has abused opioids were taken 80-120 mg at a time, and an old friend admitted after he was arrested the only reason he took opioids was for the high in large doses. I can say this about everything. Alcohol there’s people who enjoy there’s people who abuse it, but with opioids it’s not the abusers suffering it’s everyone including people like me who if I had a choice and was not forced to move to another state I would rather take Vicodin daily then weed I’m hoping that outlook will change soon though. It is a little bit now, but still finding I’m in pain, and I kno from all the reading and hearing from some of you edibles are my best option. Just say it takes away all my pain that’s great, but until I get fully used to it I will be high. Give me 20 mg of oxycodone or Percocet pain relief and a normal life with no high. I would like to be able to do things without pain stopping me. I can push my self but I do wind up paying for it at the end of the day. I have not went skiing in over 2 years I do have issues with anxiety and chair lifts but the pain stopped me.1 run would be my limit. Pain killers allowed me to take 5-6 runs some times more. The doctor who put me on the program guaranteed I would get 100% pain relief but may take awhile before I find the right strain, but told me to ask for the best “bud tenders” who are chronic pain patients them selves. Supposedly there are a few strains out there that have the “opioid” effect and opioid high that even when smoked are potent enough to offer 3-4 hours of pain relief, and the only difference is your smoking not popping a pill but the effects will make you feel like you took a pain killer and you may still get high but even if it’s a 25% thc content he told me the head high will be weak with a very intense strong body effect. If there is truth behind that I’m not sure but he was also participating with medical marijuana for 25 years in I believe pa. Problem though if it seems like a big learning curve and trial and error but with such a limited selection it seems like most of the dispensaries are in a way catering to healthy people that just want to get high that’s it and people that are depressed. One place I goto I think true og is the only true pain reliever they have the rest are all energizing make you happy and all that. I have not tried true og yet though to judge it. There’s 3 strains I heard are supposed to be very effective with relieving pain. Blackberry kush, purple arrow, and Mazar I sharif. The 3rd is one the doctor mentioned whi said it should basically be a full on opiod effect but can could cause actual hallucinations in a large enough dose. Yet I can’t get them here. I think blackberry kush I can occasionally at one dispensary but that’s about it. I had a friend though I was talking to him and his medicinal harvester who said northern lights may give me a better effect, and the guy grows for dispensaries in Michigan and I think he even said that usually smoking/vaping the relief may be under an hour or so but some strains are potent enough to last a good 4 hours but could also be hard to find and when you do more pricey.

 

[CurryLeafTreehugger]

Son, I am very sorry for your pain and I believe people in pain should have access to the meds they need - but there most definitely IS an opioid crisis in this country. Whether or not someone was "an addict" before taking opioids isn't the issue - and I submit that this is not the case for most people. Lots of people get addicted to opioids legitimately, eg when they are prescribed them for (often) non-chronic pain. And these people could have avoided potential addiction if MMJ were allowed to be coupled with needed opioid medication, but that's not allowed in most states, and even in states where it IS allowed, most docs still deride it, won't suggest it, and kick you off your pain meds if you're caught using it. All of which I find terribly unethical.

I think it is terrible that the gubmint's response to this has been punitive and has affected people with real issues of pain. I had a friend who had MS and was basically terminal and they were giving HER shit over her needed pain meds - which she avoided as much as possible because of the way they affected her in other ways, such as being cloudy and groggy. The trade-off between being medicated and being drugged up, she felt, was sometimes not worth it. So she didn't even want it all the time but she couldn't even get the lower levels she DID want easily.

I also think testing you for other drugs and then denying you pain meds is unreasonable. They should ONLY test for levels of the actual opioids they are taking, and then only to address issues of safety. But that is not what they are doing, and people like you with real, intractable, debilitating chronic pain get screwed over.

But all of that aside - there definitely IS an opioid crisis in this country. I just wish we had better ways to help you. Having to deal with chronic pain and not having access to EVERYTHING we need to address that is like torturing someone for years on end, 24/7.

The issue of availability of particular strains is a serious problem. I have never been able to reliably get ANY particular strain, not even an old standby like Blue Dream. Sometimes they have it, sometimes they don't. I'm just lucky that my pain, while chronic, is not intractable or severe. Being able to sleep at night is usually enough to bring that down to very bearable levels.

What state are you in? I have trouble with memory and concentration (PREDATES the use of MMJ and actually very very much improved since I started MMJ) so I had some trouble reading the above wall of text. If you could edit that to break it up into paragraphs it would help me. But I truly get and understand your frustration and desperation. You have legitimate concerns that are not being addressed by our government. The War on Chronic Pain Patients needs to be jerked to an immediate halt. But that's not going to happen.

VOTE PEOPLE. Vote FOR your interests. Forget party lines.