In a war, who wins between Oompa Loompas and Ewoks?

[His_Highness]

I can no longer sit idly by while the noble Ewoks are disparaged like this.

If we boil this down to effective, honed aggressiveness alone the OLs have no chance against the Ewoks. You have to "guess" how effective a OLs ability to fight would be. There is plenty of proof that Ewoks can fight and win.

Ewoks are hunter gatherers with amazing strength. OLs are small humanoids who were being preyed upon by the various predators that also reside in Loompaland before Wonka invited them to work at his factory. The Ewoks would require no such savior/protector. If anything the Ewoks would hunt, gather and eat not just the predators but the OL's as well.

Some have made reference to the Ewoks "primitive weapons" and have mistakenly discounted the Ewoks abilities and their effectiveness. I believe this is a huge mistake..... Let's not forget that those primitive weapons were so effective that they successfully beat the Imperial Stormtroopers AND the AT-ST Walkers.

The only advantage I would give to the OLs would be dependent on where the fight occurs. If the fight occurs in the candy factory I would give the OLs some extra points because they could run and hide more effectively. Any other location and the OLs, as I mentioned earlier, are the shrimp on the barbie.

 

[Andreaerdna]

Ewoks should win any fight against OL IMO
Ewoks need to fight to survive, they need to kill to eat everyday, they are cold blood killers and they do not need a leader of another species to rule them

OL have technology, but I don’t buy the theory of them being super soldiers with hairs strong as helmet. they are able to run and jump in syncro very well and that is a very good feature in fight but that is all.
Also I am unsure they would be so effectives without their master wonka
2 days without him and I bet my best vape that an overdose of sugar and chocolate would get the half of them too sick to stand.
Take them out of their fabric and most of them will not survive a day, no Ewoks involved
And if wonka is accepted then why not a jedHI

One way OL could prevail would be OL flesh, and/or chocolate, being toxic to Ewoks

 

[crawdad]

Grandpa Joe helped get Charlie through the door. He's no warrior. He hung out in bed for 20 years with three other old people (!), letting his impoverished daughter wait on him when she wasn't doing other people's laundry.

my theory on joe is he's straight up a liar and a mooch. i dont buy him having a miracle suddenly when charlie gets a golden ticket...he saw his chance to ditch that old bag he was sleeping with and retire in a chocolate factory and took it. he encouraged charlie to drink the fizzy lifting drinks and not follow the tour, bad grampa joe. he's probably a trained assassin that would take out a lot of ewoks before it was all over.

 

[2 Cycle]

i feel terrible for grampa joe bucket. He survived that burp fan and will likely become Wonka’s meat shield in this conflict. Sad really.

 

[MyCollie]

Are we talking about the Oompa Loompas from the original book or the movie with Gene Wilder? Many factors come into play. I’m guessing those from the 1970s movie. If so, they’re toast in my opinion.

The ones from the book didn’t mince words.

“Veruca Salt, the little brute,
Has just gone down the garbage chute,
(And as we very rightly thought
That in a case like this we ought
To see the thing completely through,
We’ve polished off her parents, too.)
Down goes Veruca! Down the drain!”

Vs. The 1970s feel-good Oomp’s from the movie.


“Oompa loompa doompety da
If you’re not spoiled then you will go far
You will live in happiness too
Like the Oompa Loompa Doompety do”

 

[Madri-Gal]

Ewoks should win any fight against OL IMO
Ewoks need to fight to survive, they need to kill to eat everyday, they are cold blood killers and they do not need a leader of another species to rule them

OL have technology, but I don’t buy the theory of them being super soldiers with hairs strong as helmet. they are able to run and jump in syncro very well and that is a very good feature in fight but that is all.
Also I am unsure they would be so effectives without their master wonka
2 days without him and I bet my best vape that an overdose of sugar and chocolate would get the half of them too sick to stand.
Take them out of their fabric and most of them will not survive a day, no Ewoks involved
And if wonka is accepted then why not a jedHI

One way OL could prevail would be OL flesh, and/or chocolate, being toxic to Ewoks

People fear what they don't understand. You are right to tremble in fear before the Oompa Loompa. You don't understand them. Fear Not! For When You Understand Them, You Will Still Fear Them, For They Are Scary. Real Scary. Who said the OL were nothing but tasty morsels for every critter bigger than a chipmunk? Right. Wonka. The factory owner. The factory owner with such serious problems with employees and espionage, he shut down his factory to search the globe for live-in employees that would never leave the factory and that He Didn't Pay In Cash, Check Or Money Order. Nice that he feeds them cocoa beans that he gets wholesale, but did he ever offer money? If Wonka actually paid what they were worth in cocoa beans, the Oompa Loompa would be able to open their own factory. Only they can't, because they can't do anything except work for Wonka. They can't eat but so many cocoa beans, but they can't sell them either. They can't talk to the competition. Cocoa beans aren't legal tender. The OL are an enslaved people.


Wonka shuts the factory and sets out to find the Ideal Employees. And lo, and behold! He finds them. How lucky. How likely. Wonka shows up, and offers his protection as a chocolatier. Come work for me 24/7, and I will pay you in unmade candy. Not chocolate, but cocoa beans. You'll get used to it. Less sugar. Better for the teeth. Sure you'll be away from your homes, and customs and history, but, Good News! I'm taking everyone with me. Friends. Family. There will be nothing left of the world you know, and you'll never have to worry about the place I'm taking you because you will never see it. Come along. No time to waste.



Sure it happened that way. More likely he stopped in his travels in Loompaland, traded chocolate bars for feathers from a rare and now extinct bird to decorate his silk and velvet hats with, didn't mention the chocolate was drugged, and the OL woke up in Wonka World and gee, our favorite dandy industrialist can get back to making money and candy with significantly reduced labor costs. While moody, creative and talented in the Art Of Confectionery, Wonka is no General. He doesn't even know what his OL are up to. As long as they make candy and don't complain, he doesn't care. He's more interested in his wardrobe and exploring creative decorating ideas like a room with only half of everything, and wall paper for children to lick while he watches. Like many of the wealthy, Willie Wonka enjoys exploring his tendencies and proclivities. When he mentioned his desire to have a contest where 5 children would win a day in the factory, where he could tease and tempt them, and enjoy the suffering (Auggie Gloop in the pneumatic tube, see Wonka enjoy the "suspense") while selecting one Special Child to become his protegee, the OL quickly agreed (interesting he chose a poor, pretty, angelic, golden haired boy with an elderly and ineffective protector). They had plans of their own, for as much as Wonka didn't know what the OL were up to, they did, and they were up to a great deal. What Wonka didn't know, among the many, many things he didn't know, was when the OL met him, they had gone as far as they could on the island, and for The Plan to work, they needed better resources. No, not chocolate. They grew cocoa beans, they didn't need more cocoa beans. They were one of Wonkas sources for cocoa beans. Why Wonka would say they worked for cocoa beans, I don't know. Maybe he vaguely remembered someone paying employees in peanuts, forgetting the employees were elephants. He had to tell the touring party something. You just can't have an Army Of Workers that has never been seen or paid, and not offer some Little Explanation. You don't want the abolishionists picketing. Every factory owner knows that.



But they don't always know the Army Of Workers is a highly organized Working Army, and his Worker's Army. Wanting to take The Plan to the next level, the OL would need to leave the island. Some would anyway. They would tell Wonka of fierce chocolate hating rivals that were so fearsome they had to leave the Island, and they would be ever so grateful to anyone who would save them. This was said with much fluttering of lashes, and downing of chocolate. One thing the OL knew, being a people that grew no bigger than a small child, was Peculiar Tourists. It was the reason they became such Fierce And Cunning Warriors. They knew of strangers wearing fine fabrics, with a hip flask full of booze, a supply of poppers and roofies, stockings and chocolate. The strangers spoke of what they owned, what they drove, wore, possessed. Wonka was no different. The OL didn't care about fine garments, and other then Vehicles Of War, they wouldn't care about cars until Doc revealed his DeLorean . But that's another story, for another time: when the Oompa Loompa met Marty McFly.



The Oompa Loompa needed resources. It was time. Wonka offered an ideal situation where they could use his factory, build and develop weapons, gather resources. These geese of Wonkas sounded spiffy. One look at Wonka told the OL that Wonka had never engaged in Animal Husbandry. He had no idea where Golden Goslings came from. It wasn't much to hide the eggs until they hatched, or the birds after. They knew Wonka preferred to be up top the factory, and seldom ventured downstairs to the bottom. The OL were so good with animals, it was nothing to tame the squirrels and train them as an assisting army. Wonkas plan to drug and shanghai the OL was perfect for the OL.They had run of the factory, and a source of Gold. Wonka let them design their own uniforms. What did he care? They were far too short for the runway, and besides the Rich love the Poorly Dressed, as they are wonderful to make fun of and disparage, and it Wouldn't Do if they rivaled Wonka. Wonka wore Royal Purple, after all. He was sure anything he designed would be too fabulous, even with great effort on his part to make it tacky. When the Oompa Loompa showed a sketch of jodpur lederhosen to Wonka, he felt a smug pity for the OL not knowing you needed a horse for Jodpurs to not look silly, and white! Never mind not knowing you don't wear white after Labor Day. Wonka approved the uniforms, and while the taylor wondered why they were made from bullit proof fabric, Wonka didn't notice. Just as Wonka didn't notice OL smuggling Golden Eggs in the jodpurs. Just as he hadn't noticed the Oompa Loompa Faking It when they ate the chocolate bars he laced. Oompa Loompa grew up on drugged chocolate from Fancy Foreigners. They have a very high tolerance for getting High. The final reason the OL selected Wonka as the factory owner to get to let them take over his factory was candy. The OL love drugs of all kinds, and use drugs as part of their training. Their favorite drug induces cravings for chocolate, candies and other sweets. They like other snacks as well, but Wonka was understandably has more sweet than savory. Great if you crave a lollypop, not so much if you want a beef stick. Little known fact: Oompa Loompa invented chocolate covered pretzels, chocolate covered pretzels with peanut butter, and chocolate covered potato chips. Savorizing snacks was the idea.



The OL didn't get credit, but they got money. Wonka only handled half the accounts. You can see this from his office. There were two sets of books, but Wonka just cut one in half, and the OL handled the rest, which was all of it, as Wonkas was just for show. Imagine Shawshank redemption, only a factory instead of a Prison and Wonka is the warden. It's pretty much like that.



As for the helmets, they aren't hair. They were built for industrial accidents, regular war, and the kind of war waged with the Ewok, where it was about sticks and stones. Seriously. Rocks.



Apologies. I'm longwinded, but now breathless and in need of Healing Vapors.



Thank you for responding. It's always good to hear about the darling little Ewok.



I look forward to our next exchange, and explaining how and why the Ewok are losers. I don't mean that in a bad way. It's not like being a loser means they aren't cute, and cuddly, and they got the Gilligans Island tech, and I loved the hangglider made of sticks Whicker made. What was that? Hides? You know, after he carelessly woke a dragon from a deep slumber. Don't be embarrassed. How was the little dear to know not to wake a dragon. After all, he's not an Oompa Loompa.

 

[Ramahs]

People fear what they don't understand. You are right to tremble in fear before the Oompa Loompa. You don't understand them. Fear Not! For When You Understand Them, You Will Still Fear Them, For They Are Scary. Real Scary. Who said the OL were nothing but tasty morsels for every critter bigger than a chipmunk? Right. Wonka. The factory owner. The factory owner with such serious problems with employees and espionage, he shut down his factory to search the globe for live-in employees that would never leave the factory and that He Didn't Pay In Cash, Check Or Money Order. Nice that he feeds them cocoa beans that he gets wholesale, but did he ever offer money? If Wonka actually paid what they were worth in cocoa beans, the Oompa Loompa would be able to open their own factory. Only they can't, because they can't do anything except work for Wonka. They can't eat but so many cocoa beans, but they can't sell them either. They can't talk to the competition. Cocoa beans aren't legal tender. The OL are an enslaved people.


Wonka shuts the factory and sets out to find the Ideal Employees. And lo, and behold! He finds them. How lucky. How likely. Wonka shows up, and offers his protection as a chocolatier. Come work for me 24/7, and I will pay you in unmade candy. Not chocolate, but cocoa beans. You'll get used to it. Less sugar. Better for the teeth. Sure you'll be away from your homes, and customs and history, but, Good News! I'm taking everyone with me. Friends. Family. There will be nothing left of the world you know, and you'll never have to worry about the place I'm taking you because you will never see it. Come along. No time to waste.



Sure it happened that way. More likely he stopped in his travels in Loompaland, traded chocolate bars for feathers from a rare and now extinct bird to decorate his silk and velvet hats with, didn't mention the chocolate was drugged, and the OL woke up in Wonka World and gee, our favorite dandy industrialist can get back to making money and candy with significantly reduced labor costs. While moody, creative and talented in the Art Of Confectionery, Wonka is no General. He doesn't even know what his OL are up to. As long as they make candy and don't complain, he doesn't care. He's more interested in his wardrobe and exploring creative decorating ideas like a room with only half of everything, and wall paper for children to lick while he watches. Like many of the wealthy, Willie Wonka enjoys exploring his tendencies and proclivities. When he mentioned his desire to have a contest where 5 children would win a day in the factory, where he could tease and tempt them, and enjoy the suffering (Auggie Gloop in the pneumatic tube) while selecting one Special Child to become his protegee, the OL quickly agreed (interesting he chose a poor, pretty, angelic boy with an elderly and ineffective protector). They had plans of their own, for as much as Wonka didn't know what the OL were up to, they did, and they were up to a great deal. What Wonka didn't know, among the many, many things he didn't know, was when the OL met him, they had gone as far as they could on the island, and for Their Plan to work, they needed better resources. No, not chocolate. They grew cocoa beans, they didn't need more cocoa beans. They were one of Wonkas sources for cocoa beans. Why Wonka would say they worked for cocoa beans, I don't know. Maybe he vaguely remembered someone paying employees in peanuts, forgetting the employees were elephants. He had to tell the touring party something. You just can't have an Army Of Workers that has never been seen or paid, and not offer some Little Explanation. You don't want the abolishionists picketing. Every factory owner knows that.



But they don't always know the Army Of Workers is a highly organized Working Army, and his Worker's Army. Wanting to take The Plan to the next level, the OL would need to leave the island. Some would anyway. They would tell Wonka of fierce chocolate hating rivals that were so fearsome they had to leave the Island, and they would be ever so grateful to anyone who would save them. This was said with much fluttering of lashes, and downing of chocolate. One thing the OL knew, being a people that grew no bigger than a small child, was Peculiar Tourists. It was the reason they became such Fierce And Cunning Warriors. They knew of strangers wearing fine fabrics, with a hip flask full of booze, a supply of poppers and roofies, stockings and chocolate. The strangers spoke of what they owned, what they drove, wore, possessed. Wonka was no different. The OL didn't care about fine garments, and other then Vehicles Of War, they wouldn't care about cars until Doc revealed his DeLorean . But that's another story, for another time: when the Oompa Loompa met Marty McFly.



The Oompa Loompa needed resources. It was time. Wonka offered an ideal situation where they could use his factory, build and develop weapons, gather resources. These geese of Wonkas sounded spiffy. One look at Wonka told the OL that Wonka had never engaged in Animal Husbandry. He had no idea where Golden Goslings came from. It wasn't much to hide the eggs until they hatched, or the birds after. They knew Wonka preferred to be up top the factory, and seldom ventured downstairs to the bottom. The OL were so good with animals, it was nothing to tame the squirrels and train them as an assisting army. Wonkas plan to drug and shanghai the OL was perfect. They had run of the factory, and a source of Gold. Wonka let them design their own uniforms. What did he care? They were far too short for the runway, and besides the Rich love the poorly dressed as they are wonderful to make fun of and disparage, and it Wouldn't Do if they rivaled Wonka. Wonka wore Royal Purple, after all. He was sure anything he designed would be too fabulous, even with great effort on his part to make it tacky. When the Oompa Loompa showed a sketch of jodpur lederhosen to Wonka, he felt a smug pity for the OL not knowing you needed a horse for Jodpurs to not look silly, and white! Never mind not knowing you don't wear white after Labor Day. Wonka approved the uniforms, and while the taylor wondered why they were made from bullit proof fabric, Wonka didn't notice. Just as he hadn't noticed the Oompa Loompa Faking It when they ate the chocolate bars he laced. Oompa Loompa grew up on drugged chocolate from Fancy Foreigners. They have a very high tolerance for getting High. The final reason the OL selected Wonka as the factory owner to get to let them take over his factory was candy. The OL love drugs of all kinds, and use drugs as part of their training. Their favorite drug induces cravings for chocolate, candies and other sweets. They like other snacks as well, but Wonka was understandably has more sweet than savory. Great if you crave a lollypop, not so much if you want a beef stick. Little known fact: Oompa Loompa invented chocolate covered pretzels, chocolate covered pretzels with peanut butter, and chocolate covered potato chips. Savorizing snacks was the idea.



The OL didn't get credit, but they got money. Wonka only handled half the accounts. You can see this from his office. There were two sets of books, but Wonka just cut one in half, and the OL handled the rest, which was all of it, as Wonkas was just for show. Imagine Shawshank redemption, only a factory instead of a Prison and Wonka is the warden. It's pretty much like that.



As for the helmets, they aren't hair. They were built for industrial accidents, regular war, and the kind of war waged with the Ewok, where it was about sticks and stones. Seriously. Rocks.



Apologies. I'm longwinded, but now breathless and in need of Healing Vapors.



Thank you for responding. It's always good to hear about the darling little Ewok.



I look forward to our next exchange, and explaining how and why the Ewok are losers. I don't mean that in a bad way. It's not like being a loser means they aren't cute, and cuddly, and they got the Gilligans Island tech, and I loved the hangglider made of sticks Whicker made. What was that? Hides? You know, after he carelessly woke a dragon from a deep slumber. Don't be embarrassed. How was the little dear to know not to wake a dragon. After all, he's not an Oompa Loompa.

I love you

 

[Madri-Gal]

I love you

I know.

 

[His_Highness]

I was willing to give the OLs credit for intelligence until I read this morning about how easily they were mind-fucked by Wonka. Imagine the devastation that Wonka would have experienced if he had tried the same thing with the Ewoks on their home turf. I guess the OLs could have been setting Wonka up but there is nothing that points to such a possibility.

In trying to explain why the Ewoks would win a fight against the OLs I used "facts" that could be easily found.

The rebuttals I've seen are mainly supposition. As much as it hurts me to use this phrase....the reasoning for an OL victory is simply fake news.

BTW - I'm in Florida which is why I'm sensitive to supposition right now when it comes to voting on anything...even who would win a fight between OLs and Ewoks.

 

[Madri-Gal]

I was willing to give the OLs credit for intelligence until I read this morning about how easily they were mind-fucked by Wonka. Imagine the devastation that Wonka would have experienced if he had tried the same thing with the Ewoks on their home turf. I guess the OLs could have been setting Wonka up but there is nothing that points to such a possibility.

In trying to explain why the Ewoks would win a fight against the OLs I used "facts" that could be easily found.

The rebuttals I've seen are mainly supposition. As much as it hurts me to use this phrase....the reasoning for an OL victory is simply fake news.

BTW - I'm in Florida which is why I'm sensitive to supposition right now when it comes to voting on anything...even who would win a fight between OLs and Ewoks.

The OL are not "small humanoids". They are small, and they are human. Not 'like humans', but humans. They never were meant to be anything but human. They were small, black pygmies, from Africa that had never seen a white man before. Later they were changed to golden haired hippies for the books, and kept "people of color" for the movie, but orange, not black. You might, but I don't, think less of their intellegence because of their treatment by Wonka. That smacks a bit much of blame the victim.
I give the Oompa Loompa credit for adapting to the world they found themselves in. They clearly learned to run a factory as Wonka 'employed' no other workers. They used technologically advanced equipment ( I sure can't). They worked hard, and Wonka relied on them. Of course, when the future of the factory was being determined, Wonka didn't look at sweat equity, or his workers. He looked to any random child with money to buy a candy bar, before his loyal, hard working, OL. He selected a child that acted like a child, as they all did. What about the OL? Was Wonka going to return them to where they came from? Give them nice pensions and let them retire ? Or were they going to the new, very white, male, factory owner with the rest of the property?
It's not a far stretch to call the OL slaves. Let's see, black/"colored" (orange), taken from Africa/"Loompaland", put to work for no money for the profit of another...It doesn't look good. That's why the optics were changed.
The OL are human. To quote The Man Wonka himself, "Of course they're real people" Mr.Wonka answered, "They're Oompa-Loompas" Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.
Wonka himself describes the OL as being mischievous, loving practical jokes, singing, and are very good at improvising. Mischievous and being able to improvise speaks of quick wit. So intelligent, hard working, humans, able to survive in difficult circumstances. I don't see any reason that these people can't throw rocks, sharpen sticks and use rope to trip the enemy. The Ewok didn't exactly invent these advanced military techniques for defeating the enemy.
Yes, they are short. They aren't a preferred color ( is the reason you dislike them enough to call these people "humanoid", because they are orange?) but that is to cover for Wonka. They can fight. Of course they can. They are human, and humans are pretty much known for it.

 

[His_Highness]

@Madri-Gal ....

It's about the ability to fight and effective aggression. It's not the size of the dog in the fight...it's the size of the fight in the dog. Fighting is more mental than physical. The OLs have a history of being easily, mentally subdued. It's in their very DNA. They were not forced into slavery by Wonka. They welcomed it! The Ewoks have never been enslaved and would die before allowing themselves to be taken over, let alone by someone as flawed as Wonka.

The physical and mental side of fighting is honed by training, repetition and the experience of combat. The OLs have not been exposed to any type of fighting and have shown that when push comes to shove they will avoid standing up for themselves even at the expense of their own freedom. You would have to force an OL to fight while the Ewoks would welcome it. The Ewoks entire existence is centered around hunting and combat going back 100's of years. The Ols have no such proven heritage/history. In fact the OLs history is the exact opposite.

It's possible that given enough time the OLs could hone their strengths, train, prepare and become competent warriors. History is rampant with civilizations that were beaten and/or enslaved that used the loss of their freedom and the threat to their culture as the catalyst to becoming fight strong. Currently however they wouldn't stand a chance in a fight with the Ewoks. The Ewoks would "beat and eat" the OLs so they would never have a chance to change their culture to one that is capable of defending themselves.

I could care less about their size or skin color but since you brought it up....the Ewoks are walking camouflage while the OLs are easily seen and glow in the dark. The Ewoks could simply wait till night time, turn on a black-light and it's all over but the frying....I mean crying.

 

[Andreaerdna]

Seems like there is already some background of this feud

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/oompa-loompas-vs-ewoks-1536162

Also look out how they show themselves on the www

And on the other side

It seems they already have biten it more than once, especially the one in the corner down rigth

 

[2 Cycle]

Look at that fat Oompa on the left. Probably the cook for the rest of the herd

 

[His_Highness]

Look at that fat Oompa on the left. Probably the cook for the rest of the herd

Lets not fat shame the OLs. The Ewoks prefer them with some meat on them bones.......taste like everlasting gob stoppers and chicken.

 

[Madri-Gal]

@Madri-Gal ....

It's about the ability to fight and effective aggression. It's not the size of the dog in the fight...it's the size of the fight in the dog. Fighting is more mental than physical. The OLs have a history of being easily, mentally subdued. It's in their very DNA. They were not forced into slavery by Wonka. They welcomed it! The Ewoks have never been enslaved and would die before allowing themselves to be taken over, let alone by someone as flawed as Wonka.

The physical and mental side of fighting is honed by training, repetition and the experience of combat. The OLs have not been exposed to any type of fighting and have shown that when push comes to shove they will avoid standing up for themselves even at the expense of their own freedom. You would have to force an OL to fight while the Ewoks would welcome it. The Ewoks entire existence is centered around hunting and combat going back 100's of years. The Ols have no such proven heritage/history. In fact the OLs history is the exact opposite.

It's possible that given enough time the OLs could hone their strengths, train, prepare and become competent warriors. History is rampant with civilizations that were beaten and/or enslaved that used the loss of their freedom and the threat to their culture as the catalyst to becoming fight strong. Currently however they wouldn't stand a chance in a fight with the Ewoks. The Ewoks would "beat and eat" the OLs so they would never have a chance to change their culture to one that is capable of defending themselves.

I could care less about their size or skin color but since you brought it up....the Ewoks are walking camouflage while the OLs are easily seen and glow in the dark. The Ewoks could simply wait till night time, turn on a black-light and it's all over but the frying....I mean crying.

You claim to know a great deal about the history of a people you didn't even know were people. Interested in your source material about OL's being easily subdued. If you are going by what Wonka said, they weren't subdued, but voluntarily left Loompaland for better employment, and were happy with the choice. If you aren't going by Wonka, where are you getting this history? I know you only want facts, and that sounds fine if the road runs both ways. I'm interested
to see the DNA test results on the OL, where it shows the genetic trait of being "easily, mentally subdued". Oh, and information on the number tested. It wouldn't be accurate to test just one OL. Also, any proof they "welcomed slavery" would be appreciated . If you go by what Wonka said, they weren't slaves, so I assume you have some documents/video I very much look forward to reviewing. I asserted differently, but you reject that as being speculative.
Any proof that you would have to "force" an OL to fight, or that there history to support that they have an opposite heritage/history, would be welcome for review. Any proof that they "glow in the dark", would also be welcome. The Oompa-Loompas themselves glowing, if course. Not clothes or body paint, as these things can be changed, washed off, etc. Most humans don't glow, so I am excited to read fact based material to substantiate this amazing claim. Proof of uniforms, wigs, helmets, would glowing would also be welcomed, but not proof that OL themselves glow. They do know about clothing changes, as shown in WWATCF.
There were any number of Ewoks slaughtered in Return To Endor. Wicket got caught in a simple leg tap of the sort used by Ewoks, and he didn't know to avoid it. Wicket also didn't know to avoid waking the dragon, and risked the life of the little girl helping him. Many Ewoks ends up imprisoned, so clearly they are "willing" to be imprisoned if not enslaved. It's not as if they All died in battle Fighting For Freedom. The Ewok have to be rescued by Wilfred Brimley (Noa) and a 5 year old orphan. Oh, another cute scene of Wicket running from the dragon, and it was sweet the way he tried to use rocks and a stick to fight, but sadly he lost, and the dragon took the little girl ( what, 5 years old?) that he promised to protect. Might have worked better if he hadn't put them in danger by disturbing a sleeping dragon, or won the fight with the dragon instead if letting him get away with the child. Super creepy scene of Wicket fondling and caressing the little girl. Another scene where Wicket puts his hand over steam blasting out of a boiler (our Hero Wicket broke it) and gets burned. He seemed surprised it was hot and would burn. How old was Wicket, would you say? He doesn't look like a Wokling. Shame about not knowing about steam. Kind of puts him at a disadvantage when faced with weapons more complicated than a rock. Wicket gets points for learning some English, but as he forgets it by the time he meets Leia and Company in ROTJ, I think he loses more than he gains. Was he unusually forgetful, or were they all like that?
Anyway, I look forward to the DNA test results ( so clever of you to you to find them!), as well as reading the history of the Oompa Loompa that you provide proving your assertions. You seem to have found a great deal of never before seen material, and this is thrilling. Such solid documentation proving your points is quite a score, if it exists. Any information about how/why they glow in the dark, and substantiation of this amazing assertion- which I know you based on fact, not speculation, as you abhor it so-, will be carefully reviewed, along with the other proof you provide. Before looking at your newly discovered materials I can't comment further , except to say I am certainly willing to change my viewpoint should facts show I am wrong. DNA testing explicitly showing "a history of being easily, mentally subdued " would be quite remarkable .
This wouldn't change my opinion of Ewoks, but you providing information about where you found 100's of years of history on the Ewok documenting the huge role of combat, never having been enslaved, etc., might. Having seen them being taken prisoner, etc. has influenced me, but the history showing 100s of years of bravery might change that.
I look forward to reading your source material, and the DNA test results. It was good of you to point out these things exist, and good of you to share.

 

[His_Highness]

While I wait on 23andMeDNA to get back to me I will answer your questions:

Question: "You claim to know a great deal about the history of a people you didn't even know were people. Interested in your source material about OL's being easily subdued." Answer: I believe you're the one who supplied the source material when you said "It's not a far stretch to call the OL slaves.", "Imagine Shawshank redemption, only a factory instead of a Prison and Wonka is the warden. It's pretty much like that. ", "Sure you'll be away from your homes, and customs and history, but, Good News! I'm taking everyone with me. Friends. Family. There will be nothing left of the world you know, and you'll never have to worry about the place I'm taking you because you will never see it. Come along. No time to waste." Yep-sure sounds like slavery to me. Does this sound like a culture that is hard to subdue?

Question: Also, any proof they welcomed slavery would be appreciated. Answer: Well, the statements you made above call it slavery but maybe you have a point. Maybe they didn't welcome slavery. Maybe Wonka was so persuasive that they decided to leave their homeland and worship him instead. That Wonka was a fearsome dude all right. Definitely a scary bunch those OLs.

Question: Documentation proving they glow int the dark? Answer: I could be wrong about them glowing in the dark. They sure look like they do. I'm not wrong about the Ewok's natural camouflage and the advantage.

In closing...I agree that Ewoks have fought and died but at least they fought...many times and it's not great to lose a fight but it is worse to lose the war. Which they didn't. I also have to admit that I have no proof that you would have to force an OL to fight. The only proof I have is that they never have even in the face of slavery or what other debasements they were subjected to. Where did I get that reference to slavery and/or being underpaid and horribly treated/taken advantage of?

Anyone have any proof that an OL ever fought? Ever? Can't say the same about them Ewoks.

 

[Madri-Gal]

So you have no Proof?
If you read my thread, I was saying I didn't think they just followed Wonka. I refuted the paragraph in the follow up. You are intelligent. You know about context. I said they were likely pretending to let Wonka drug them for reasons of their own, and it involved letting Wonka take them to the factory. You rejected my reasoning and theory as "mainly supposition" and accused me of fake news. You didn't want my version, preferring "facts". If you want to use my words, please use those I didn't disclaim. I rejected the version where they willingly followed Wonka, which is the part you quoted.
You wanted facts. You were clear you were offended by "supposition", and rejected what I said, but when you can't offer proof you claimed to have, you decide to use the statements I put out to refute, to hide behind. If I am, in fact, to be the historian you choose to site, then use the argument I made, not the one I rejected. Taking things out of context and twisting it to "prove" something opposite than what was meant isn't cool. I actually gave details about what I thought likely to have happened, and it wasn't what you quoted. The post us still up, if you need to refresh your memory. So is your statement about needing facts. So are Many Assertions you made, that are starting to look like fake news. You use words like ""proven" and "fact", but you want me to play by stricter rules than you play by. Now, you say you are waiting for 23andMeDNA to get back to you. I am taking it to mean you are saying there is DNA proof coming. Any idea on turnaround time on that?
Am I clear you are walking back the glow in the dark statement? I'm not swayed by the natural camouflage argument. People know how to use camouflage. That's proven. A fact, if you will.
In fact, an argument could be made that if the Oompa Loompa showed up on Endor in orange paint, the Ewok would worship them, just like they worshipped C-3PO, gold and orange being simular. I'm not making this arguement, mind you, just saying it could be made. I prefer to wait on the history of the Ewok, Oompa Loompa, DNA tests, before I make that arguement. You boast of a proud history. I can't wait. It is charming the way you say the OL worship Wonka, but ignore the Ewok worshipping C-3PO as a god. No evidence of OL worshipping Wonka. Evidence exists of Ewok worshipping the robot.
Now, I don't mind if you want to credit me as the historian for the OL, but that means taking me as the authority, and, of course, my version of what happened. Not the version I presented to scoff at and refute. My interest is in the history you claim to know, but can't seem to offer. You asserted things that indicate you know facts about the history of OL that isn't contained in anything I said, so there must be more you are referring to, and that is the proof we need. That and history of Ewoks, and of course, the DNA test results.

 

[His_Highness]

@Madri-Gal

I am indeed waiting on 23andMeDNA to return the results we are both in need of and don't know what the turn around time will be. I would love to tell you where I got the cells required but that would put me in legal jeopardy. All I can safely say is that the flesh required was supplied by a group whose name rhymes with "free-socks". For those who have suggested that I was paid to keep quiet all I can say is they can talk to my lawyer, Michael Avenatti.

For the time being I will restrict myself to nothing but the facts we have all been aware of....

You asked for history.... The Ewoks history of having fought, died, lost battles, won battles and WINNING A WAR... have been fully captured in historical war videos. I have it on good authority that these war videos are available by googling "Star WARS". (Heavy emphasis on the word WAR).

If I needed to align myself with a group in preparation for a fight I would choose the group that has fought and has a proclivity for it. I would especially like to select the group who has fought and won. I doubt many would choose the candy maker clan.

Last but not least I leave you with the following historical video which clearly depicts how truly dangerous the Ewoks are. Not for the faint of heart.....

 

[Ramahs]

 

[Madri-Gal]

Look at that fat Oompa on the left. Probably the cook for the rest of the herd

Pastry chef, I believe.

 

[Krazy]

I can no longer sit idly by while the noble Ewoks are

Fraking right!

Nobody wins in war.

I agree.

Unless it is a war with Ewoks slaughtering and feasting on the flesh of Oompa Loompas.
Then Ewoks win.

 

[His_Highness]

I was a little surprised that @Madri-Gal and @Ramahs didn't admit the Ewoks would be the victors after seeing my video where that Ewok demonstrates his prowess with that primitive sling.

Perhaps you didn't pick up on the fact that the Ewok was demonstrating the weapon's effectiveness on himself proving the Ewoks have the ability to withstand pain, sacrifice for the good of others and the expertise required to use the weapon at the highest skill level.

 

[Madri-Gal]

@Madri-Gal was researching Ewoks and Oompa Loompas. @Madri-Gal was also speaking to her 15 year old Grandson who, upon hearing she was a proponent of the Oompa-Loompa in an online thread about OL vs. Ewok, exclaimed, "Grandma, what did you do?!?
So glad I didn't mention it was a vape site.
There may be problems with where the fight is fought. OL come from a jungle , and live in a magical factory. No reason to expect they couldn't fight in a forest as where as anywhere else. Until we get the history of the Ewok from @His_Highness, we won't know if the Ewok have ever fought in a candy factory before. We know they can fight in a forest . Do they fight in the factory? On Endor? Is there unfair advantage either way?
We know the OL can shapeshift, at least as a group. You can see this with the complete change of appearance from Pygmylike in CATCF, the book, WWATCF, the movie where they are orange, to Charlie and the Great Glass Elevator, where they are blond haired, rosy checked and fair skinned Hippies, to Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, the second movie where they all looked like Deep Roy. We have 4 different shapes the OL have turned into on display. Do we know they can't appear as Ewoks? Do we know they aren't Ewoks? Or, rather, Ewok aren't OL?
I know, @His_Highness wants so called "facts", not speculation. Fact: You never see Oompa Loompa together with the Ewok. Ever. Not once. That is a fact. You can look it up.
Did the OL "borrow" the Great Glass Elevator and escape to Endor, taking on the form of Ewoks? Did they join Ewoks, or are they the original Ewok? There is no need to speculate, as there is a comprehensive history of Ewoks coming soon, and we should be alert for answers to these questions. I'm going to throw the word "intriguing " in here, at this point. It's a good word, in "fact", it's my word for the day, and yay! I used it before 8 am.
Wait, Hippies?! The OL were Hippies.
Grandma, what did you do?
The OL were Hippies. Fact: In Charlie and the Great Glass Elevator , they were Hippies. Why would hippies want to fight the Ewok in the factory? It would make a mess they would have to clean up. But why would they want to go to the Redwood Forests of Endor that look like the Redwood Forests of Humboldt and Del Norte Counties? To fight Ewok? To become Ewok?
Wait, Humboldt?
Humboldt and Hippies.
Got it. This is about weed.
@His_Highness , any chance Ewok learned to fight to protect weed? It's a thing here in Nor Cal in the Redwoods, that's a "fact".
Little known "fact", Hippies grow weed in Redwood Forests.
Is this why the Ewok and OL are fighting? Because of weed?
Wouldn't it make more sense to join Forces? The OL and Ewoks should take the weed and go back to the candy factory, and start making Medibles. Rather than enemies, they would be far better off as allies. I mean, weed and candy, soda, magical factory with psychedelic tunnels, unusual conveyance, pills that make you younger( become a Wokling again, relive your youth) more snacks and candy. The Ewok might not want to live there , and someone needs to grow and protect the dope, but they might love hopping on the elevator and visiting. Cannabis has been know as a gateway drug. Gateway to the candy factory? In turn, the OL might like visiting Endor, checking out the crop, hanging with the Ewok. Maybe offering up Wonka and Charlie for the Ewok to cook for a banquet.
Seems to me peace talks would help more than war . This does not mean the OL couldn't win. Heck, they stretched a child out on a taffy puller They juiced a child. They sang and danced as children fell into the trash and chocolate rivers, and changed shape and size ( something the OL were familiar with). Kinda mean. The OL need to chill.
The Ewok seem hungry, and to be acting with the reaction of a hungry stoner who will do anything for a snack. Eat strangers? Throw 'em in a pot, tie ' em to a spit. Who hasn't done that when stoned? Door to door salesmen, missionaries, vacuum cleaner salesmen and Fuller Brush mans. We've all been there. Too stoned to drive, out of snackies. Just last week, some JW came by, and yum yum. Nothing left but some Watchtowers. (Grandma, what did you do?)
Send candy. Send more candy. It wouldn't be long before the Ewok would understand the natural pairing of candy and cannabis.(Cannabis and cannibals?) The OL are hippies, so they know. Could they fight? Sure. But why fight with weed and munchies as an option? Invent a vape, make medibles, chill in the Redwoods, or the TV room. Vape some Skywalker OG and eat a Wonka bar. Or a Wonka.
If not this, we have to wait. For DNA. For history. For the next movie. Oh yes, there us another Charlie movie coming. More OL.
You know you were scared when you heard that. Scared, and kind of sick to the stomach.
I told you. OL are scary. Real scary.

 

[Andreaerdna]

I found a video never seen before, showing that Ewoks are crazy fearless feral beasts, not hesitating to fight even when they know they are going to loose or even die

@Madri-Gal your knowledge of the OL universe has no limits. May I ask you if you have some OL blood heritage in you? Also, is US president a OL descendent ? I mean, with no racism, his skin is quite orange and his hairs are quite unusual as well, aren’t them?

I am having an epiphany and I am starting to feel unconfortable and unsafe all of a sudden

 

[Madri-Gal]

I found a video never seen before, showing that Ewoks are crazy fearless feral beasts, not hesitating to fight even when they know they are going to loose or even die

@Madri-Gal your knowledge of the OL universe has no limits. May I ask you if you have some OL blood heritage in you? Also, is US president a OL descendent ? I mean, with no racism, his skin is quite orange and his hairs are quite unusual as well, aren’t them?

I am having an epiphany and I am starting to feel unconfortable and unsafe all of a sudden

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I very much enjoyed the video. Did you forget to include where the Ewok attacked? I only saw where he flung himself out of harms way.
I guess you could say I'm an historian for the OL (@His_Highness did). I am a hippie, so draw your own conclusion about my relationship to the OL. Mom was a bit Free Love back in the day., so it's possible. I'm a Nor Cal hippie, so not entirely unfamiliar with Ewok, either. Not to brag, but many's the time I've driven past Skywalker Ranch on Hwy 101. And by many, I mean numerous times. Multiple times. Kind of a commute deal.
I am not in anyway related to an orange politician. Nor are the OL. I will say, beware of anyone orange. It signals danger. Ever hear of Agent Orange? Ever hear what happened to that guy? Think about it. Kind of scary, right?