bigtvapes
Well-Known Member
I was just pointing out that if you go around correcting people, you might want to make sure you mind your "P's ans Q's" so to speak. Otherwise, you come off as little more than an arrogant hypocrite :-)
How to Comfortably Hold Hits for 30-40 Seconds
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I was just pointing out that if you go around correcting people, you might want to make sure you mind your "P's ans Q's" so to speak. Otherwise, you come off as little more than an arrogant hypocrite :-)
:-) or not, you are walking on really thin ice with a post like this. Avoid comments that characterize other members in a negative fashion, even when phrased hypothetically.
zymos
Well-Known Member
From Wikipedia
" An ellipsis can also be used to indicate an unfinished thought or, at the end of a sentence, a trailing off into silence"
Which is usually how I use it.
So, you have a theory that longer contact means greater absorption. Seems logical, and might even be true up to point.
However, there is no exponential relationship (that has been established ) between contact time and absorption. That would mean
1 sec. = 1 mcg THC, 2 sec. = 4 mcg THC, 4 sec. = 16 mcg. THAT would be exponential...
" An ellipsis can also be used to indicate an unfinished thought or, at the end of a sentence, a trailing off into silence"
Which is usually how I use it.
So, you have a theory that longer contact means greater absorption. Seems logical, and might even be true up to point.
However, there is no exponential relationship (that has been established ) between contact time and absorption. That would mean
1 sec. = 1 mcg THC, 2 sec. = 4 mcg THC, 4 sec. = 16 mcg. THAT would be exponential...
bigtvapes
Well-Known Member
Fair enough. Like I said before, thank you for correcting me.
By the way, you used the ellipses BEFORE your post where you initially corrected me. That was actually a grammatically incorrect usage. But now we're splitting hairs aren't we. :-)
All of this was never my intention. You shouldn't correct people with a flawed post. It leads to petty squabbles.
By the way, you used the ellipses BEFORE your post where you initially corrected me. That was actually a grammatically incorrect usage. But now we're splitting hairs aren't we. :-)
All of this was never my intention. You shouldn't correct people with a flawed post. It leads to petty squabbles.
StickyShisha2
Well-Known Member
this thread was a how to not a why i should.
i just watched some videos of "free diving". these guys hold their breath for many minutes at a time.
they say that deep breathing and exercise leads to greater lung capacity.
i just watched some videos of "free diving". these guys hold their breath for many minutes at a time.
they say that deep breathing and exercise leads to greater lung capacity.
vapirtoo
Well-Known Member
Exactly Sticky, Humans can hold their breath far longer than most of us suspect,
and I do not think it is detrimental.
I always breath abdominally and i have the habit of holding my hits for at least
10 seconds.
To each, their own, we should all do what we are comfortable with. The enhanced
high of holding a hit is so subjective that all comparisons are meaningless- not to
mention the placebo affect of all this.
and I do not think it is detrimental.
I always breath abdominally and i have the habit of holding my hits for at least
10 seconds.
To each, their own, we should all do what we are comfortable with. The enhanced
high of holding a hit is so subjective that all comparisons are meaningless- not to
mention the placebo affect of all this.
VWFringe
Naruto Fan
I was visiting someone in the hospital and was allowed to use the O2 Saturation meter thing on my finger - tried my trick of deep breathing for 20 seconds and it went from 100 down to...99 and held there for the forty-five seconds I held my breath. The nurse told me I shouldn't be surprised, that hyperventilating like that (it didn't feel like hyperventilating, but i guess it is sort of) would keep my tissues oxygenated for two minutes.
So, proved it! cool.
I mean, that we can hold our breath that long and not damage ourselves, which was one thing I'd read from someone in another thread...whether it increases absorption, that's something else, but I still believe I squeezed a lot more out of a 30 second hit than a 20 second one (and that it was tolerance and lung moisture, like having a cold, that would vary how long I needed to hold it in).
3 pulls instead of six or eight is a big difference in quantity used after all.
So, proved it! cool.
I mean, that we can hold our breath that long and not damage ourselves, which was one thing I'd read from someone in another thread...whether it increases absorption, that's something else, but I still believe I squeezed a lot more out of a 30 second hit than a 20 second one (and that it was tolerance and lung moisture, like having a cold, that would vary how long I needed to hold it in).
3 pulls instead of six or eight is a big difference in quantity used after all.
Fully Melted
It's OK to enjoy your medicine.
It takes 7-8 seconds before your lungs cannot absorb more actives across the blood barrier. Any perceived "high" after 8 seconds comes not from the cannabis, it's hypoxia. Or in common terms: You ain't getting enough air! Might as well have someone choke me and save some bucks.
Rather than present a multi-page post, ALL this info is on the net and it comes from modern, trusted sources. Google IS your friend
Source: US Pharmacopeia, Cannabis Properties, Absorption.
BTW: I'm not refuting anyone's perceived experience.... I'm just posting facts. Some people like facts, other like them to line hamster cages with. lol To each their own flavour.
Rather than present a multi-page post, ALL this info is on the net and it comes from modern, trusted sources. Google IS your friend
Source: US Pharmacopeia, Cannabis Properties, Absorption.
BTW: I'm not refuting anyone's perceived experience.... I'm just posting facts. Some people like facts, other like them to line hamster cages with. lol To each their own flavour.
Slightly Medicated
(SliM) Iron Lungs
It takes 7-8 seconds before your lungs cannot absorb more actives across the blood barrier. Any perceived "high" after 8 seconds comes not from the cannabis, it's hypoxia. Or in common terms: You ain't getting enough air! Might as well have someone choke me and save some bucks.
Rather than present a multi-page post, ALL this info is on the net and it comes from modern, trusted sources. Google IS your friend
Source: US Pharmacopeia, Cannabis Properties, Absorption.
BTW: I'm not refuting anyone's perceived experience.... I'm just posting facts. Some people like facts, other like them to line hamster cages with. lol To each their own flavour.
Is the information you basing that on from combustion or vapor? I have heard different periods of time depending on if it is smoke or vapor.
I also agree about how holding it longer can have perceived effects that actually come from holding your breath. I have mentioned before that I can mimic taking a large inhalation off of a water pipe and hold it in for a while in order to get a big "rush of oxygen".
I believe you are inhaling a massive amount of oxygen (more than an nominal breath). Holding your breath will eventually cause your heart rate to rise. The rise in heart rate will move the blood quicker around your system better all allowing the oxygen to enter your system and get to your brain to give you that "rush".
You can do it by breathing in as deep and long as you can and then holding your breath until you start to feel your heart rate increase or the sound of your pulse get louder in your ears.
HyDroid
Riding on a cloud...
I make a habit of holding my hits so long that my exhaled breath is invisible.
In the middle of a hit I will often exhale a tiny bit so that I can see the thickness of the vapor. I will exhale another tiny bit every 15 seconds or so, and when it is clear I exhale.
This used to cause an urgency to breath, but as either my deep breathing has gotten better or my brain has become sufficiently damaged from oxygen deprivation it is no longer a problem.
If I'm vaping a large bowl, I often draw for 45-60 seconds and hold the hit for another 60.
As for the efficacy, I'm nearly positive that holding the hit longer means more is absorbed. Perhaps though what happens is that these 'large droplets that cannot be absorbed through the longs' that have been mentioned happen to take 1 minute to deposit on lung and throat tissue, then are absorbed slowly more long the lines of the response mode of edibles. This could explain why many people report that vapor takes longer to hit them than smoke, with its mostly tiny and easily absorbed size.
I definitely think that hypoxia contributes to the high. But is this really a bad thing? People have been using slow (probably slower) breathing to alter their states of mind for a really long time, and I've never heard it proposed to be a damaging act...
My parents and I have over 100 years amongst us of wind instrument study and unfortunately I can't say that this allays any fears of oxygen deprivation causing brain damage; but at least we're still funny...
In the middle of a hit I will often exhale a tiny bit so that I can see the thickness of the vapor. I will exhale another tiny bit every 15 seconds or so, and when it is clear I exhale.
This used to cause an urgency to breath, but as either my deep breathing has gotten better or my brain has become sufficiently damaged from oxygen deprivation it is no longer a problem.
If I'm vaping a large bowl, I often draw for 45-60 seconds and hold the hit for another 60.
As for the efficacy, I'm nearly positive that holding the hit longer means more is absorbed. Perhaps though what happens is that these 'large droplets that cannot be absorbed through the longs' that have been mentioned happen to take 1 minute to deposit on lung and throat tissue, then are absorbed slowly more long the lines of the response mode of edibles. This could explain why many people report that vapor takes longer to hit them than smoke, with its mostly tiny and easily absorbed size.
I definitely think that hypoxia contributes to the high. But is this really a bad thing? People have been using slow (probably slower) breathing to alter their states of mind for a really long time, and I've never heard it proposed to be a damaging act...
My parents and I have over 100 years amongst us of wind instrument study and unfortunately I can't say that this allays any fears of oxygen deprivation causing brain damage; but at least we're still funny...
Hightened_Mind
Member
I hold my MFLB hits for what seems like forever, but really I'm pretty sure it's just 15-20 seconds. My friends always laugh at me, but I always end up higher with less, so their loss. I'll time myself next time I vape, which will probably be Friday. Thanks for all the good tips everybody.
BaMbAaAChA
HAKUNA MATATA!!
U can get really high with 2 hits if u hold them over 10 sec each but i dont think u ll need more than 10 sec!!
at least thats how i get the job done easy and cheap
