How much do you spend on herb and what you get for your money ?

[Vicki]

I think, for the most part, the older people you're speaking of are dealing with people much younger than they are. I know that if I had to move away from where I live...that's probably where I'd start. Keep my eyes open for a 20-something smoking a blunt in his backyard or in the alley.

Like I said before though...any dealer will milk you if they can. Just the nature of buying/selling things. You sell them for as much as people are willing to pay. They try to trick you into thinking it's a sellers market, though. It's not at all. Just have to be stubborn enough to show them. They think they're the only shit in town and you'll come back no matter what. Don't go back.

It's a buyers market.

Again...not trying to tell anyone they're wrong or argue. Just my own experience(which i have a lot of. 30+ and started smoking when I was 15) and a bit of advice.

Not trying to argue either. I just know how things have been for me and others, and I disagree with you. I wont just go looking down an alley for some kid smoking a blunt to get my medicine. It's way too risky. I am talking from experience too. I have been toking for 27 years, been alive almost 46 years.

It's not always a buyers market if you don't know anyone who tokes, or only one or two people. Your choices are limited to what you can get in that case. Sometimes, that asshole dealer is the only choice some people have. They don't take what that guy has, they go empty handed. Why? Because their choices are limited, and they have to be discreet because they have families and kids, and it's illegal. Make sense?

 

[lwien]

Like I said before though...any dealer will milk you if they can. Just the nature of buying/selling things.

ANY dealer will milk you if they can? That is simply not true. What is true is that many will, but some won't. If they desire to build a long term relationship with their customers and know how to cultivate repeat business, they will NOT "milk you". The ones that will are short-sighted idiots, of which, in the game of "selling", is quite common but NOT universal.

Just my own experience(which i have a lot of. 30+ and started smoking when I was 15) and a bit of advice.

Ummm........A LOT of experience? Compared to many here, you have very little experience. Guess it's all relative, eh?

 

[Krazy]

Like I said before though...any dealer will milk you if they can.

While I have never engaged in any illegal activities my evil twin sister takes exception to that remark. Back in the day she did, from time to time, procure and dispense medicine. She never milked a customer, padded a price, or ripped anyone off. Ever.

Edit; forgot to respond to the actual thread topic.

No idea how much I spend per week/month. I only use >85% oils in a closed system. A single g lasts and lasts.

 

[dannkk]

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Yes...you are trying to argue. That's all you're doing. I'm trying to give some advice that could help some people with their situation and you're just here with this defeatist attitude, saying it's not possible and nitpicking. I never told anyone to look for a kid in an alley...I said that's what I...key word I, might do if I had to.

I said people might have to go without for a bit to make the point. You have to do what you have to do. If you didn't want to try and change your situation before it was legal for you, it's no ones fault but your own. Some situations are definately more difficult than others. I'll very freely admit that. I'm sure there's even people that just flat out couldn't go without due to health reasons. Advice isn't a one size fits all hat, so please don't treat it like it is. My advice isn't going to be good for everyone...but if it helps even one person get dicked around a bit less, it was worth posting.

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What is even the point of this post? I probably talk in absolutes to often...but when you're talking about the black market...people that just price their stuff at the absolute lowest they can are an extremely small minority. You said what I said and then told me there's people out there that have been smoking longer than me.

 

[Vicki]

Yes...you are trying to argue. That's all you're doing.

No, I am disagreeing with you, period, and you don't like it. I'm sorry if that bothers you, but if I disagree with someone, I'm gonna say so.

And, it's obvious I'm not the only one that disagrees with you in this thread.....

 

[dannkk]

/sigh

If you're implying I'm mad or something, I'm not. Just don't get why you're making a big deal about a few specific things I posted, when there is good advice there along with it.

btw...Your sig is pretty ironic considering this conversation.

Goodbye

 

[Vicki]

If you're implying I'm mad or something, I'm not. Just don't get why you're making a big deal about a few specific things I posted, when there is good advice there along with it.

btw...Your sig is pretty ironic considering this conversation.

I never implied anything, I simply disagreed with you, as did others.

I don't think my sig has anything to do with this conversation, except that it proves that I don't sugar coat things.

 

[lwien]

What is even the point of this post? I probably talk in absolutes to often...but when you're talking about the black market...people that just price their stuff at the absolute lowest they can are an extremely small minority. You said what I said and then told me there's people out there that have been smoking longer than me.

What was the point of my post? It was just a bit of friendly advice. The point of my post was to bust your butt for talking in absolutes. Around these parts, talking in absolutes has a tendency to cause a bit of loss of credibility. If you want to be a member here who's advice is valued, I'd stay away from tactics such as this.

Secondly, I don't think ANYONE here said or even implied that ANYONE sells anything at the "absolute lowest price they can". There is a VERY wide gap between "ANY dealer will milk you if they can" AND "selling at the absolute lowest price they can" for one can sell something and make a very nice margin WITHOUT milking anyone. There is such a thing in sales transactions where it is a win-win situation.

 

[dannkk]

Secondly, I don't think ANYONE here said or even implied that ANYONE sells anything at the "absolute lowest price they can". There is a VERY wide gap between "ANY dealer will milk you if they can" AND "selling at the absolute lowest price they can" for one can sell something and make a very nice margin WITHOUT milking anyone. There is such a thing in sales transactions where it is a win-win situation.

This is why I hate forums...you're just misunderstanding me. Of course both parties can win in a transaction. I admitted saying any dealer instead of most dealers was incorrect. That point was that in this kind of barter situation, you are negotiating. Some people skip that and just agree to the first price thrown out there. When they do that most dealers will allow them to pay that price until the person speaks up and asks for a better price. That is what I meant by "milking." It's not like it's just dealers that do this either...tons of businesses follow that model. Head shops, trading card shops, antique stores, pawn shops, flea markets. Have a feeling you're just busting my balls now, though, so I think you know this.

I don't think my sig has anything to do with this conversation, except that it proves that I don't sugar coat things.

This really is the last I'll reply to you, because I'm surprised you don't get the irony.

"The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any"

And you're talking about limited choices and people not being able to change their situation. I think it's a little ironic, anyway

 

[Vicki]

"The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any"

And you're talking about limited choices and people not being able to change their situation. I think it's a little ironic, anyway

Wow, you really don't get what I was saying before. People have limited choices because they don't know a lot of people who toke. They aren't willing to do just anything to change that situation because it could get them into trouble. It's not about giving up power. It's about being afraid because you are using an illegal substance, and if busted, you could lose everything. I guess you can't understand that, though, because this is not the first time I said this.

 

[lwien]

This is why I hate forums...you're just misunderstanding me. Of course both parties can win in a transaction. I admitted saying any dealer instead of most dealers was incorrect. That point was that in this kind of barter situation, you are negotiating. Some people skip that and just agree to the first price thrown out there. When they do that most dealers will allow them to pay that price until the person speaks up and asks for a better price. That is what I meant by "milking."

So let me get straight. You believe that if any customer pays the asking price for a product, than they are being "milked" by the seller?

See, I see it differently. Some people find the act of negotiating distasteful and would just rather pay the asking price. Does that mean that they are being milked? To me, in that situation, the only way that they would be milked, is if the asking price was way above market price or the product quality was way below expectation..........or both. But, if the product was being sold at current market prices and the quality was up to expectation, and the customer purchased the product without any negotiating at all, I can't see that as a customer being "milked".

On the other hand, I do agree that in most cases, an asking price, on just about anything, is negotiable. Does that mean that I negotiate on everything that I purchase? Some people do. I typically don't unless it's a high ticket item where I feel that the seller has quite a bit of room to play.

 

[Abysmal Vapor]

Here i got a friend who always tips his dealers.. He always gets best buds and a bonus.. lol.. This is an example how paying more will result in paying less .
Anyway if you have 10 euro and you want something thats 15 euro.. you get half a g in the best case .

 

[dorkus_molorkus]

26c per kilowatt hour

 

[t-dub]

ok Dorkus but how do you KNOW that those watt hours are being "weighed" properly eh?

 

[dorkus_molorkus]

I support my local energy provider, and they support me by sending me an itemised bill each month.

 

[J.R.R.Tokin']

Here's a rough costing for things in London. Top shelf Amsterdam named imports go for £15-20 a gram ($24-32) - no ounces to be found and no bulk discounts. Good UK grown hydro goes for £250-£350 an ounce ($400-550). An ounce of Thai will set you back £125 ($200) and Moroccan pollen goes for about £180-250 ($290-400).
Other people may get different prices, but this is what I have found ime recently. Am I happy with those prices?... this face is a good representation of mine when trying to answer that!

 

[dorkus_molorkus]

I support my local energy provider, and they support me by sending me an itemised bill each month.

& I have the utmost faith in myself for not ripping myself off. But thats not a given.lol

 

[OhTheAgony]

Over here the shops are all legitimate business with plenty of competition, so I don't worry about getting screwed in terms of amounts. A lot of shops sell pre-packed baggies for 5, ten or 20 euro, but the shop I go to most often actually weighs what you want in front of you on a extremely expensive jewelers scale that's hooked up to a pc, lol. If there is a to large draft in the building they have to wait till the door is closed before they can get an accurate reading

But it is to expensive for what it is imo. And it is a bit uncertain how long we will still have coffeeshops in the Netherlands at the moment

 

[CentiZen]

I quickly sifted through the dealers around this place and moved up the chain a bit. Now I've got 4 reliable, friendly connections so I'm usually never worried about getting shorted. There are alot of jerks who will short you to your face around here and as soon as that happened to me once it was never again with those guys, no matter how many times they text me.

Some people just don't get it, but I'm really glad I've got several friends who do.

 

[djonkoman]

compared to everywhere else, I don't feel cheated at all. I have a wde choice of strains, most is good quality and it's never wet. and as OTA said already, I'm not concerned about being shorted on weight here either.
but, compared to growing it myself I do feel ripped off. if I have my own harvest I just take a few buds with me when meeting up with friends, I measure in buds or in photo cannisters full. it has almost no worth to e since I have enough the year round. without paying anything and it's an easy plant to grow. biggest work is the trimming. and then I go to the shop, and have to pay 10 euro for this tiny baggie with one bud(or a few smaller buds) in it. while it's just a simple plant, mever saw anyone charging that much for lettuce, while IMO lettuce is much harder to grow(it yields a lot less as weed, and animals like to eat it a lot more, like slugs, altough those also are a plague on weed)

but with seeds it's even worse, some seedbanks actually dare to ask 100 euro for 10 seeds.... while cannabis is the kind of plant that relies on quantity, producing massive amounts of seed per plant. imagine paying 100 euro for a gram. and 10 seeds is far less as a gram.
luckily I know some better places online where they charge a more fair amount for seeds, and also strains that perform better outdoors.
but eventough there are places where you can get strains/seeds just as good or better for a fair price(or somtimes free if someone is giving something away), still plenty of people fall for those high prices....

 

[golantravize]

Here, 1/8 of an ounce is $60, maybe $55 or even $50 if you're good friends with someone. Most dealers don't like to sell in bulk, but I can find great bulk discounts when I'm buying higher up the "food chain". Those prices are pretty standard from top of the line to almost mids. I'd like to get into the habit of buying more at once to save money, maybe up to an ounce. The problem is finding someone who will sell an ounce for a fair price.

 

[CentiZen]

That's bloody awful. I'd start growing at those prices. Exactly double the price it is here.

 

[golantravize]

Yeah, when I first saw the prices elsewhere I was shocked! but yeah, $60 an eighth. I couldn't see finding a ounce of top shelf for under $350. There have been laws put forward in the WI state senate to legalize for medical use, but they haven't met with much success yet. one of these days.

Also when I vape (I never do anything else anymore) I pack about .1 grams per bowl and that feels full. I do this between 1-4 times a day, which comes to 0.7 - 2.8 grams per week or 3.0 - 12.0 grams per month. My goal is to make 3.5g last a month, but buy in bulk. Price per month comes to $44 per month.

 

[vorrange]

Not much to add to the discussion atm, just want to say this thread is great at spotting the differences between the price/quality/habits of most of us, all around the world. Something i was always curious and information that is hard to come by.

Thanks for that Abysmal.

 

[Vapinghole]

Pac NW, I'm spending $260 for an Oz. yum!!